New players draft because it's fun and because it's a good way to learn deckbuilding in general.
I used to be for rare redrafts, and then I realized how shitty they must feel for any new player who opens up a planeswalker.
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I used to be for rare redrafts, and then I realized how shitty they must feel for any new player who opens up a planeswalker.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I'm very drunk right now and feel like a deck around Dragonlord Khologan should really be a thing
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
But she sucks
charlequin
Banned
They're not doing it to build their collection, but you can assume that people who are relatively new also have small collections and can benefit a lot from even a few good cards acquired in the course of play.
Which is what people should do in 95% of cases if they're actually looking out for their own interests, so I don't really see an issue with that.
Etrian Oddity
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I'll need to look over the U/B aristocrats list. I tried Golgari 'crats and it isn't good without blue, I wonder how Silumgar 'crats runs in comparison.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It makes me laugh they fucked up so bad making JTMS and then they fucked up again, and with another Jace.
Because players keep saying "Well Jace the Mind Sculptor was brokenly good, but he was so cool..."
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
But JTMS actually is pretty sweet. JVP is just kind of generically good.
Infinite Stars
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On the bright side, this block being the bullshit it is with nearly every deck being $300+ has gotten me to begin to assemble an EDH and Modern Deck, so that's nice on that part. I'm not drafting the set anymore, so that's effectively $20 saved a week. I'm actually at the point where I'm not buying any packs/singles unless I need to from Standard.
On a Commander note, I'm stuck between Alesha/Derevi/Trostani right now for the first deck I'm building. Anyone have any suggestions on how to build Derevi/Alesha? I'm mostly following TCC's Trostani EDH Deck advice.
On a Commander note, I'm stuck between Alesha/Derevi/Trostani right now for the first deck I'm building. Anyone have any suggestions on how to build Derevi/Alesha? I'm mostly following TCC's Trostani EDH Deck advice.
whenever I come up with an idea for a EDH deck and look up other decks on the internet I come across infinite combos and it's frustrating. Phenax and B/U mill have quite a few easy-to-do infinite mill combos. It seems like I'm just gimping myself if I don't use those but at the same time infinite combos are just so lame
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
you really don't need many allies to benefit from it.
It'll get your creatures through at least once or lead to favourable trades and it's a constant threat the opponent has to keep in mind since he doesn't know your deck and lack of allies.
That's why it's good to have an array of decks of varying power levels depending on your group. You have your I win deck, your fun deck, your screw your opponents deck, your political deck. I start with my fun deck and if they play unfair decks, I change to my unfair deck. It's not like cramming all of the infinite combos your colours can allow will make for a good deck. I did that once with Niv-Mizzet and I found out I should really just focus on a few combos. Too many times you draw one of the combo pieces that does nothing with another combo piece.
well, but with black you get access to 10+ tutors and you can just look for your combo pieces, and blue gives you another few tutor-like cards as well. Like, with Phenax as your general for example you just need to look for Eater of the Dead and, assuming 1 in four in all the graveyards is a creature card, you can potentially mill out all your opponents in a single turn. Or a Duskmantle Guildmage and Mindcrank loop that is just slightly harder to set up
I'll have to come up with another idea for an EDH deck because the mill variant doesn't seem very interesting. Most of the other cards in the deck consists of creatures that just get huge from cards in graveyards, you tap them, there goes 30 cards, untap them and do it again with a doubled effect. Meh
I mainly just want to build something around the Theros gods because those are some of my favorite cards. I'll have another look at an enchantments deck
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Holy shit Brian Kibler's draft.
Well, yeah, if you can afford all the tutors.
Even a Revised Demonic Tutor will set you back $10 despite not being constructed playable anywhere else.
I paid 20 bucks for a Gamble. Madness.
at the moment I'm just looking at magic online, and once I move and find a decent store with an active player base I might get a paper deck as well. Generally the MTGO prices seem to be a lot cheaper than the paper cards, particularly for older cards. Most of the tutor-effect cards (not talking about the really expensive ones) are under a dollar, from what I've seen
Eh, I doubt either of those was an actual fuck up. You can't tell me they didn't know what they were doing, especially with JTMS. They put Unsummon and Brainstorm on a 4CC planeswalker with 4 abilities. They knew.
Mike Turian got canned as a developer after the debacle it caused in Standard.
I just have a hard time believing they didn't know it was going to be insane. Granted, they probably didn't expect it to be that problematic, but still. What were they thinking?
Oh I didn't know you wanted to played online. Yeah, prices have been tanking lately due to lack of sustainable growth for eternal formats. I disassembled my legacy deck because no one was playing legacy. What's your handle? Maybe I can help you test your EDH decks.
BBE kept it in check until rotation.
waiting for an email from support because I forgot, haven't used MTGO in years heh
I'll pm you once I have reactivated my account and got used to the controls again, would love to play some games with fellow Gaffers
Some would say BBE wasn't exactly their brightest moment either. Then again, sometimes the line is thin between "very powerful" and "too good". It's just that I've heard the whole "We changed it last-minute without testing" narrative a bit too often. I might just be too cynical though, I admit that.
Eh, I only draft anyway, so as long as they don't screw that up I'm fine with whatever they do.
acheron_xl
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I play exclusively EDH online. I'm always down to play against people who aren't shitheads.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
If only, Jesus fucked off after he resuscitated.
Tom Martell was very jovial explaining the mess he drafted.
And the japanese guy at the HoF bestowal in a Haori + Hakama.
Tom Martell was very jovial explaining the mess he drafted.
And the japanese guy at the HoF bestowal in a Haori + Hakama.
Fantastic! My handle is CWW. I just need to actually complete a deck first. ^^
Ok here comes my list of newb questions. Im a sealed amd soon to be draft player for context. No standard here yet.
1. If i play something that allowes me to landfall on opponents turn i get that trigger til end of his turn correct?
2. Do you guys like mires malicein sealed? Or any discard really.
3. Spell shrivel. Is it weaker bc you have to play it on opponents turn?
4.where can i learn draft fundamentals. Im sure theres a shit ton of articles videos. So wondering if theres certain ones you guys would pick over others
5. Vampiric rites? Seems strong? Sac dudes that will die anyways blocking?
6. Indestructable. I thought originallythis just meant things couldnt die. But i need to google some more bc i think the mechanic is more complicated than that?
7. Regenerate. Another one that seems more complicated than just paying for it to brinb it back from graveyard? Gunna have to google it too
8. Playing at a draft. Dunno what a card does or want to check cards. Saw people at pro tourr just grabbing them. Is that ok. Can i just touch the opponents cards?
9. Can i shuffle my cards after my opponent cuts them/shuffles them on me? My friend told me ots possible bit i have to ask him if he wants to shuffle or cut gain.
Just a lot f random thoughts i had added up in my phone.
Answer/ discuss as you would like.
1. If i play something that allowes me to landfall on opponents turn i get that trigger til end of his turn correct?
2. Do you guys like mires malicein sealed? Or any discard really.
3. Spell shrivel. Is it weaker bc you have to play it on opponents turn?
4.where can i learn draft fundamentals. Im sure theres a shit ton of articles videos. So wondering if theres certain ones you guys would pick over others
5. Vampiric rites? Seems strong? Sac dudes that will die anyways blocking?
6. Indestructable. I thought originallythis just meant things couldnt die. But i need to google some more bc i think the mechanic is more complicated than that?
7. Regenerate. Another one that seems more complicated than just paying for it to brinb it back from graveyard? Gunna have to google it too
8. Playing at a draft. Dunno what a card does or want to check cards. Saw people at pro tourr just grabbing them. Is that ok. Can i just touch the opponents cards?
9. Can i shuffle my cards after my opponent cuts them/shuffles them on me? My friend told me ots possible bit i have to ask him if he wants to shuffle or cut gain.
Just a lot f random thoughts i had added up in my phone.
Answer/ discuss as you would like.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yup
Its not awful but don't prioritize it, I'd say. Its a filler spell if you're struggling to reach enough playables
Not because you have to play it on their turn, but its sort of weak overall. For three mana I really want a hard counter, not something they can get around by paying 4 in the late game
Not super strong unless, maybe, you have a deck built around abusing that effect. You can draft such a deck, but on its own the cards also just okay
I wouldn't just grab them, that's a bit rude. Just say "may I?" with your hand over the card, every reasonable person will just nod and let you take a look
"God's Beard!"
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Counters are bad in limited because it's all about developing your board state. That said, it's decent sideboard material in draft or just playable in sealed if you're light on removal and need more interaction.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";181989629]Counters are bad in limited because it's all about developing your board state. That said, it's decent sideboard material in draft or just playable in sealed if you're light om removal and need more interaction.[/QUOTE]
Makes sense. I guess i need to get the difference between a counter and removal through my head. Coming from hearthstone where dont really have both, so i think my head percieved them as kind of the same thing.
Makes sense. I guess i need to get the difference between a counter and removal through my head. Coming from hearthstone where dont really have both, so i think my head percieved them as kind of the same thing.
divisionbyzorro
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Counters are "bad" in limited for a lot of reasons:
1) You typically don't have a lot of instants in a limited deck. If your opponent doesn't play a spell, you went an entire turn cycle without spending mana. Unless you're already ahead, this is bad. This is why we say that counters are only good in decks with lots of other instants; for example, in Dragons Maze draft, it wasn't hard to draft a deck with 6-7 instants/flash spells at the 4cc slot, making even "bad" counterspells like Mindstatic playable because you could just play Eyes in the Skies instead (I actually loved this deck in that format; one of the few things I liked about DGR).
2) To the above point, what this typically means is that you're "priced into" countering anything that your opponent plays or risk losing massive tempo. This means that counterspells typically trade with replacement level cards and are often unimpactful.
3) You often hear people say that counterspells are better in sealed. This is because sealed decks are usually less synergistic, less tempo based, and generally have a more uneven power level distribution. That is, they play more replacement level cards without direct synergies, but they have a few very powerful individual cards that need to be answered. Beggars can't be choosers: you'll play Cancel because it's the card in your pool that can answer your opponents bomb, and it'll answer Gideon just as easily as it will Planar Outburst or Emeria Angel. And if you take a turn off to hold up a counterspell, it's probably not as big of a deal as it would be against a draft deck.
1) You typically don't have a lot of instants in a limited deck. If your opponent doesn't play a spell, you went an entire turn cycle without spending mana. Unless you're already ahead, this is bad. This is why we say that counters are only good in decks with lots of other instants; for example, in Dragons Maze draft, it wasn't hard to draft a deck with 6-7 instants/flash spells at the 4cc slot, making even "bad" counterspells like Mindstatic playable because you could just play Eyes in the Skies instead (I actually loved this deck in that format; one of the few things I liked about DGR).
2) To the above point, what this typically means is that you're "priced into" countering anything that your opponent plays or risk losing massive tempo. This means that counterspells typically trade with replacement level cards and are often unimpactful.
3) You often hear people say that counterspells are better in sealed. This is because sealed decks are usually less synergistic, less tempo based, and generally have a more uneven power level distribution. That is, they play more replacement level cards without direct synergies, but they have a few very powerful individual cards that need to be answered. Beggars can't be choosers: you'll play Cancel because it's the card in your pool that can answer your opponents bomb, and it'll answer Gideon just as easily as it will Planar Outburst or Emeria Angel. And if you take a turn off to hold up a counterspell, it's probably not as big of a deal as it would be against a draft deck.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";181958981]All but one of my maindeck cards arrived(the second prairie stream), and I worked out the numbers for my sideboard plans so I've decided to go to the 2k tomorrow after all.
My final list for the tournament:[/QUOTE]
I just checked and my DCI number is two full numbers shorter than yours, is it still valid or would i need to make a new one should I decide to go to a tourney?
My final list for the tournament:[/QUOTE]
I just checked and my DCI number is two full numbers shorter than yours, is it still valid or would i need to make a new one should I decide to go to a tourney?
"God's Beard!"
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It just means you registered your number before mine. Mine is relatively recent because I forgot my original number from before I took a break from magic and made a new one.
It needs he's a 10 digit scrub and you're legit, no worries
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";181992095]It just means you registered your number before mine. Mine is relataively recent because I forgot my original number from before i took a break from magic and made a new one.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I registered it way back on 2002 or so. I just wanted to know if at any point they made a clean break and started again with the numbers. I'm planning on starting to play again after my 10 years break.
Yeah, I registered it way back on 2002 or so. I just wanted to know if at any point they made a clean break and started again with the numbers. I'm planning on starting to play again after my 10 years break.
"God's Beard!"
Member
It's mana fixing that works in any deck that can trade with a scion or a nettle drone or whatever. It's not insane but you basically always play it, especially if you splash a card. Mana fixing that develops your board is very good.
divisionbyzorro
Member
I <3 Borderland Ranger for that very reason.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I literally still have my DCI card from like 2006 with my short number on it, gets comments every time I use it
It can't die due to Damage or being destroyed. The card can still be exiled, sacrificed, or killed via a state based effect (ie, an Indestructible creature having it's toughness reduced to zero by spell effect). Note that a card like Touch of the Void (3 Damage to a creature, if it would die, exile it) would not deal with an indestructible creature, because it needs to "die" in order for the exile to trigger, and indestructable prevents it from dying.
You can pay the regeneration cost of a card at any time to set up a "regen shield" for the turn. If that creature would die (not be exiled), you remove all damage from the card, remove the card from combat if it was in combat, and tap it if it was untapped. Note that if something reduces it's toughness to zero, regenerating does nothing, as it would regenerate with zero toughness and die again due to state based effects. You can only use regen when the card is on the battlefield, not when it's in the graveyard.
You should always ask before you just grab cards, but yes, you are allowed to read any card in play, and can ask a judge for an oracle wording of a card if it's a foregn card or you want clarification.
9. Can i shuffle my cards after my opponent cuts them/shuffles them on me? My friend told me ots possible bit i have to ask him if he wants to shuffle or cut gain.
No. You may not shuffle your deck after your opponent has shuffled and/or cut your deck.
divisionbyzorro
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Regeneration is super weird. I had an opponent Turn to Frog my Ancient Silverback after blocks. I regenerated it in response. Once it turned into a frog, he let damage happen and the 0/1 frog regenerated. Then he shot it with a Lightning Strike. The poor guy next to us had his mind blown at that series of events.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Hah I registered in 2005 and have a 10 digit dci number.
Pretty cool how you can backtrack events. My first event was the prerelease of Kamigawa.
Pretty cool how you can backtrack events. My first event was the prerelease of Kamigawa.
divisionbyzorro
Member
I imagine most players have 10-digit numbers at this point. I registered in 2013 and have a 10-digit number.
keeblerdrow
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I lost my original number when I came back to Magic. It was probably an 8-digiter. My new one is ten digits, and strangely, when I finally signed up for a Wizards account, they issued me a new DCI number that was considerably lower than the number I got 3 years ago. I attached my current number 521XXXXXXX, which overwrote my "new" number that was 111XXXXXXX. So they're reissuing unused numbers, it seems.
Play white in your deck or play a rogue deck. For real.
Play white in your deck or play a rogue deck. For real.
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