Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Yeah but we can probably figure out what goony behavior is.
Magic: the Gathering - Battle for Zendikar |OT| Lands matter (but nothing else does)
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1 - 1 with this deck in draft currently, one more to go. At least I got a pack out of this already
http://i.imgur.com/jQ74lXp.png
I'd say the deck is pretty okay, just somewhat lacking in the mid-range area which hurt me in game 1 and 2. Some killer rares aside from Blight Herder who I can't even activate (and should have probably switch with another minotaur), except that I never draw them
oh yeah and it looks like my first-round opponent is going to win this
http://i.imgur.com/jQ74lXp.png
I'd say the deck is pretty okay, just somewhat lacking in the mid-range area which hurt me in game 1 and 2. Some killer rares aside from Blight Herder who I can't even activate (and should have probably switch with another minotaur), except that I never draw them
oh yeah and it looks like my first-round opponent is going to win this
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Here is a link to what coerce actually means. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coerce
verb (used with object), coerced, coercing.
1.
to compel by force, intimidation, or authority, especially without regard for individual desire or volition:
They coerced him into signing the document.
2.
to bring about through the use of force or other forms of compulsion; exact:
to coerce obedience.
3.
to dominate or control, especially by exploiting fear, anxiety, etc.:
The state is based on successfully coercing the individual.
And as we all know, new players in stores or to the game never have anxiety or can fall victim to the local shop "pro's" authority, right? And if you had bothered to read the entirety of my post you probably would have seen the sentence that I wrote that allows for a group of fully aware players to engage in a rare redraft. That doesn't change the fact that people who do it take advantage of others or to exploit inexeperienced people are thieves or scammers, depending on the exact situation. It's great if you've never seen it. That doesn't negate their existence. There is a reason why it's not a sanctioned draft format.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Why didn't you put encircling fissure in the main board?
I generally avoid combat tricks, a bad habit of mine
which card would you switch it with? I still have a few games to play!
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Hard to say, probably the blight herder or one of the Cubs.
Encircling fissure can be a total blowout.
Encircling fissure can be a total blowout.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I generally avoid combat tricks, a bad habit of mine
which card would you switch it with? I still have a few games to play!
Encircling Fissure is a straight up blowout, especially late. I would put it in almost any deck that was running a reasonable number of creatures because it can completely crush board stalls. Even early when you use it to 1-for-1 it's still a good card.
I would not cut Blight Herder imo. A 4/5 for 5 is a very good rate even with no way to turn on the bonus mode. I would cut either one of the cubs (the only relevant targets are Return cycle) or Angelic Gift.
You don't. I guess if you can get enough Infiltrators, but otherwise? Eh. Not good enough for all the hassle.
Yeah, LGS regulars often have a degree of authority that new players don't stand up against, even more so since most of the time those newer players still haven't jumped into the online community, and as a result might end up buying whatever the store regulars are saying. Even if they don't, sometimes competitive sharks group together, which makes running a separate normal draft hard unless the shop has enough attendees to hold two separate eight-person events.
Rare redrafts will always screw new players up, because on top of them being unlikely to have the skill to draft well and place in the top positions, then they get to watch as the top players take all the cards worth anything and he/she gets to leave with a couple Vizzedrix at best. Even if the player's happy that they managed to at least get a card or two that they happened to need for a deck of theirs, these are the kind of events you'll someday look back and remember how much others ended up ripping you off.
right right, I'll keep that in mind next time, thanks guys. This is my first draft since 2011, any help I can get is appreciated heh
I don't know, Angelic Gift has been really useful in my previous matches
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I have a soft spot for Angelic Gift, worst case I'd just enchant a flyer on the opponent's side. Not sure it fits in a deck that doesn't intend to block though
Serpentine spike is so great, especially with tramplers. I played it last week and just would put the 4 damage on a 5 toughness creature and then attack for lethal with the sliderunners and even 1/1s. Games usually end up going so wide it's rarely gonna be a dead card.
Serpentine spike is so great, especially with tramplers. I played it last week and just would put the 4 damage on a 5 toughness creature and then attack for lethal with the sliderunners and even 1/1s. Games usually end up going so wide it's rarely gonna be a dead card.
I have the flametongue kavu. But I have to play the 1/1 digest dudes lol
Take Mist Intruder and Benthic Infiltrator earlier than usual and go to work.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
We understand.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Standard caveats about auras apply, even cantrips. The potential on Encircling is just so much higher.
The black and the green one are okay, at least in such a deck. The blue one? No thanks.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I mean, Mist Intruder and the 1/1 black guy is decent if you have a bunch of good Processors and *really* have nothing to enable the Exile abilities (obviously you're gonna want Grip of Desolation or something if you can get it).
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Sludge Crawler is a pain in the ass to deal with.
Joe Molotov
Member
When I drafted last week, I had a T5 Guardian of Tazeem into a T6 Nissa's Renewal. Hold on, lemme find 3 island and also get fukking rekt m8.
Etrian Oddity
Member
Jesus Christ mtgo is utter trash. I can't wait until my work shifts change so I can actually play paper Magic and be done with this abortion of a "simulation" of Magic forever.
In a 23 land deck, in 4 GAMES STRAIGHT I have drawn 12 lands in my first four turns. WotC, eat a dick. Seriously, terrible program. This shit does not happen. It does not happen.
In a 23 land deck, in 4 GAMES STRAIGHT I have drawn 12 lands in my first four turns. WotC, eat a dick. Seriously, terrible program. This shit does not happen. It does not happen.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It doesn't happen in paper because we don't properly randomize.
MTGO is probably only using pseudo rng but that's already myriads ahead of real life paper.
MTGO is probably only using pseudo rng but that's already myriads ahead of real life paper.
Etrian Oddity
Member
But it fails in emulating the real game.
When I'm literally 3 or 4 games straight in drawing nothing but lands (including mulligans), there is something wrong. Salt in the wound with each opponent getting their godhand combo opening hand.
It's a wonder the MtGO PT is a real thing.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Uhm that doesn't make sense it's bad because it doesn't work for you but your opponent?
MtGO sucks for a myriad of other reasons.
Do you mean that, in 4 games, 12 of your 16 total draws for the first four turns of those games were land?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
This argument has gotten really stale.
Looking at a bunch of top 8s from the weekend, it looks like Esper has been putting up results. It's also sometimes played in Bring to Light decks. As long as they don't have some sac ability, Otujai blanks Mantis Rider, flies over Gideon's token, and does it's usual stuff we know it can do.
Yeah, trying to get to 7+ "naturally" is tough. You really need stuff like Kozilek's Channeler, Hedron Archive, Scions or various green spells to get you there.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The answer is green ramp lol. But seriously, you're not wrong. The big Eldrazi are mostly a trap unless you get Kozilek's Channeler or Hedron Archives out the wazoo.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I find getting to 7 just happens consistently, even playing aggro many games I finished by paying 8 to Valakut Evoker over multiple turns
Boards just end up stalled repeatedly unless you get the nut draw.
So looks like this is mainly about Standard, but was wondering if anybody had opinions on what to play at a legacy event. Was told it was Dredge that took it last time and have the following available:
NO RUG
LED Dredge
Mono White Death and Taxes
Possibly Merfolk
Could possibly make quite a few others, but couldn't do Show and Tell or Lands. Think I could make Pox, only need the Thoughtseizes.
As you can see, haven't actually played any legacy in like 2-3 years. The tournament is for a Mox Pearl, so really just going to scope the scene since it looks like they will be having a tourney for each P9 piece, hope I only missed Timetwister.
Any thoughts would be appreciated!
NO RUG
LED Dredge
Mono White Death and Taxes
Possibly Merfolk
Could possibly make quite a few others, but couldn't do Show and Tell or Lands. Think I could make Pox, only need the Thoughtseizes.
As you can see, haven't actually played any legacy in like 2-3 years. The tournament is for a Mox Pearl, so really just going to scope the scene since it looks like they will be having a tourney for each P9 piece, hope I only missed Timetwister.
Any thoughts would be appreciated!
"God's Beard!"
Member
Death and Taxes is a great pick for the current meta, but it depends more on your local meta. If more people are playing Elves than Miracles it's pretty weak.
That said, my heart says Dredge. Cabal Therapy is too sweet.
That said, my heart says Dredge. Cabal Therapy is too sweet.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Paul Cheon just duressed an opponent and found a The Great Aurora...
and it's from a WoTC account
and it's from a WoTC account
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Where do you live that your LGS holds such an awesome Event? There's no way they are making a profit like that unless there are scores of people registering for this tourney.
I would think Death and Taxes would be a pretty strong performer since you don't know much of the meta. I personally run Lands because it's too much fun, but it does fold to certain decks. Death and Taxes seems like it could carry you pretty far.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I played a guy on that deck yesterday. I was playing my troll Eldrazi deck which was impossible for him to beat, though.
Etrian Oddity
Member
I shit you not. Imagine my fury.
Out of those I'd go with D&T even if I don't think it's that great of a deck and only puts up top 8s due to so many people entering tournaments with it (kind of like burn in standard).
Definitely don't take Dredge right after it won a tournament. Everybody remembers and many of them will throw in an extra piece of graveyard hate.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It's a $30 entry fee and the only prize that is granted guaranteed is the Mox. They said there was 68 people at the last tourney, so we'll see. Really I just want to play Legacy, so that is enough reason for me to go. I'm in Maryland, btw, it is Power Gamer or Squabbles in Glen Burnie.
Appreciate the feedback. Will look for some good sideboard stuff and goldfish some. Don't think I know anybody here that can pilot Dredge, but hopefully can fairly try to play myself a couple times.
shrapnelmagnet
Member
That Standard LD deck looks hilarious by the way. Haven't finished the video, yet, but I'm a fan. I was actually thinking the other day that there are some dece LD spells right now.
divisionbyzorro
Member
It's super fragile. When it casts LD off of a dork on T3, it looks great. But if it stumbles at all early, say sayonara.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I've never seen it but I'd love if someone used Jace to give flashback to a counterspell precombat and then attack or just pass the turn.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
I actually did this on my attack step with a surge of righteousness. No matter what he chose to do, it would lead to his doom, but my opponent was genuinely confused when I did it. It was pretty sweet.
since I was feeling lucky I decided to do another draft, and yay
I thought my deck was pretty awful, heh
http://i.imgur.com/rgsJeqL.png
some weird 3-color converge deck just because I felt like it, and because I got Exert Influence in my first booster. Switched Brood Monitor with another Outnumber in the last two matches as I needed early removal and never played BM anyway
Murasa Ranger is sick, she stomped over multiple Eldrazi as a 11/11. Exert Influence on Gruul Draz Overseer was totally worth it going 3-color
I thought my deck was pretty awful, heh
http://i.imgur.com/rgsJeqL.png
some weird 3-color converge deck just because I felt like it, and because I got Exert Influence in my first booster. Switched Brood Monitor with another Outnumber in the last two matches as I needed early removal and never played BM anyway
Murasa Ranger is sick, she stomped over multiple Eldrazi as a 11/11. Exert Influence on Gruul Draz Overseer was totally worth it going 3-color
"God's Beard!"
Member
I do that every once in a while. Target Dispel then play my creature or whatever.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Perfectly acceptable line of play if the situation calls for it pre-combat if you're expecting a Celestial Flare, or want to resolve a Mantis Rider, etc. Counterspells are only good if you can cast them right when your opponent casts the spell so its a good protective measure. A lot of games with Jeskai Black end up with Jace on board doing nothing but ticking up so its not a bad play.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Shitload of ramp + dorks, tap out and float any extra mana you might have, play all the ramp and land fetch spells and you end up with an insurmountable resource advantage, then you just drop Ulamog or something. Being the active player when you cast it is way better. As far as I can tell they're usually ramp/Ulamog decks.
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