Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
the second set also has super mega mythic lands, 20 more of them in fact.
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Magic: the Gathering - Battle for Zendikar |OT| Lands matter (but nothing else does)
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the second set also has super mega mythic lands, 20 more of them in fact.
but leaves siege rhino alone lol
between this and languish
is there removal that can actually kill it?
which lands could that be?
Because thisis a bady designed set that development had to rescue.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
We don't know yet. Manlands? Filterlands? ABU DUALS?!
Manlands seem like a weird fit due to the amount of text on some of them.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
Siege Rhino and Hangarbacks are the MVPs
Roast works pretty well?
Gatewatch will have 20 expeditions too. They might not be as valuable as the fetches, but I expect to manlands to be in there and I think there is enough demand for a better art Colonade. They will at least even the price out a bit, if they choose the filterlands above the checklands (and no enemy tangolands get printed). Maybe it's possible that the enemy fetches are in Gatewatch too.
"God's Beard!"
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divisionbyzorro
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Raging Ravine was/is a staple of Modern Jund. Stirring Wildwood sees play in some fringe Knight of the Reliquary decks.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Raging Ravine is still played in Jund, Colonnade is played in U/W/x, Wildwood you see sometimes in Reliquary decks, Creeping Tar Pit is played in Grixis Control now, Lavaclaw Reaches sucks.
The two we've seen so far would not see Modern play unless there wasn't another option, I imagine.
The two we've seen so far would not see Modern play unless there wasn't another option, I imagine.
Wait for the commons. That's where you see most of the limited fodder.
Gail Simone talking on twitter about how female characters aren't allowed to be flawed- seems relevant in light of the Origins stories. (Everything on 9/10 for future reference)
The new ManLands are clearly badly nerfed.
The new ManLands are clearly badly nerfed.
I wouldn't mind the original duals. And with that, I'm going to hold you responsible if I'm let down. It's too briliant of a marketing scheme to actually have gone through wizards' heads though.
"God's Beard!"
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lol I misread the hedron artifact. I thought that as long as it was on the battlefield, creatures with power 5+ just get exiled.
Super o-ring is way more reasonable.
Super o-ring is way more reasonable.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Printing the ABU Duals would be fucking brilliant by the way. It would have 0 impact on dual prices and dip their toes in the water of FUCK THE RESERVED LIST
Mastery of the Unseen doesn't really work with a lot the other cards you mentioned. If you're playing Jeskai you're playing maybe 3-4 of those cards and you're probably relying on Grandmaster w/ burn to get you to 40. If you're using Wingmate Roc and Red to get there you're probably in a Mardu Tokens shell w/ Sorin, not Jeskai.
I'd rather play Abzan with Arashin Cleric, Sorin, Siege Rhino and cast Feed the Clan on their end step if 40 was my goal. Especially with that new Manland.
The Technomancer
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Gail Simone talking on twitter about how female characters aren't allowed to be flawed- seems relevant in light of the Origins stories. (Everything on 9/10 for future reference)
The new ManLands are clearly badly nerfed.
I would agree with that, but the problem most definitely extends to Jace and Gideon as well
"You see, the thing about Gideon, is that he wants to help people too much"
pelicansurf
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";178241504]lol I misread the hedron artifact. I thought that as long as it was on the battlefield, creatures with power 5+ just get exiled.
Super o-ring is way more reasonable.
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I did the same misread. I was about to be really sad to be playing Green Ramp. It's still sad, but less so.
Super o-ring is way more reasonable.
[/QUOTE]I did the same misread. I was about to be really sad to be playing Green Ramp. It's still sad, but less so.
The counterfeits are getting much worse on Ebay and will probably be what causes them to break it, if they ever do.
Yeah, its just worse when the characters are starting out as very grey semi-villains and turned into perfect angels.
SigmasonicX
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I'm surprised that Felidar Sovereign is apparently using the same art as in original Zendikar. This is a first (for nonlands) for an expert expansion, right?
Perilous Research - Greenwarden of Murasa
Greenwarden seems pretty good. As the article notes, it can work as a new top-end for an Abzan deck that was previously running Elspeth, it can enter the battlefield using See the Unwritten and return it to your hand (and trigger ferocious), and it can trade with Siege Rhino and Tasigur.
Command Tower - Void Winnower
This is pretty neat.
I find it funny that Hedron Network just misses Siege Rhino.
Shambling Vent looks good. It reminds me in appearance of a thrull, which appears in white and black.
EDIT: World poll results so far.
New worlds
Perilous Research - Greenwarden of Murasa
Greenwarden seems pretty good. As the article notes, it can work as a new top-end for an Abzan deck that was previously running Elspeth, it can enter the battlefield using See the Unwritten and return it to your hand (and trigger ferocious), and it can trade with Siege Rhino and Tasigur.
Command Tower - Void Winnower
This is pretty neat.
I find it funny that Hedron Network just misses Siege Rhino.
Shambling Vent looks good. It reminds me in appearance of a thrull, which appears in white and black.
EDIT: World poll results so far.
New worlds
Old worlds
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
More Thomas Kinkade lands
Having handled a few of them, I feel confident in saying there is no way you would ever get caught with one of those blue-core counterfeits, *especially* if you roughed it up a little to make it look a little more worn. Those cost about $30 for a set. I'm talking any tournament, even on camera, anywhere. If every judge had a Jeweler's Loupe, sure you could get caught, the thing is, they're not gonna do that unless it doesn't pass the "smell test" by having something obviously fake about them.
Having handled a few of them, I feel confident in saying there is no way you would ever get caught with one of those blue-core counterfeits, *especially* if you roughed it up a little to make it look a little more worn. Those cost about $30 for a set. I'm talking any tournament, even on camera, anywhere. If every judge had a Jeweler's Loupe, sure you could get caught, the thing is, they're not gonna do that unless it doesn't pass the "smell test" by having something obviously fake about them.
I think they could manage to pick out some good high value non reserve list stuff. Part of it will depend on if they're willing to put in stuff that isn't Modern legal. Wasteland and Karakas would be pretty crazy. But they might not want to include something that a large percentage of the players wouldn't have a deck they could put it in.
Even sticking to Modern they can fill in some slots with non duals like Cavern of Souls, Inkmoth Nexus, and Glimmervoid that would probably be well received. Though if they're theming everything to Zenikar you probably can't do Inkmoth.
Raging Ravine saw a ton of play in Jund and Naya decks (There were 13 copies of the card in the top 8 of the Pro Tour when they came out)., and Stirring Wildwoods also saw a bunch of play in Naya and G/W decks.
Damn. When this thing leaked I wrote the leaks off because this thing seemed stupid good. I guess that's why they reprinted Smash to Smithereens in Origins.
Void Winnower seems incredibly unfun and dumb.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I think most of these lands look like shit, by the way.
They universally look like Thomas Kinkade, Painter of Light was given an assignment to randomly create Zendikar dual lands.
The only one I even like is Godless Shrine, because that one kicks ass.
They universally look like Thomas Kinkade, Painter of Light was given an assignment to randomly create Zendikar dual lands.
The only one I even like is Godless Shrine, because that one kicks ass.
A Serious Man
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That art is pure barf. /gb
The Origins plane that had the most work put into it because its probably a thing they are already working on scored the best. WHAT A SURPRISE!
Also if Maro is tired of people asking for Kamigawa maybe he should stop asking questions where that is an obvious answer? Like is it that hard for him to admit that inspite of whatever data he collected a decade ago that a lot of people still have a strong interest in the plane. I appreciate that WOTC listens to feedback and I think overall it has resulted in a better game. However, I think there have been clear cases where it has hurt the game as well or resulted in worse design (hello new Eldrazi). They seem to just absorb everything and aren't always good at ignoring "bad" feedback - a good leader sometimes needs to know or be able to judge when an idea or response isn't worth listening too or discern what an audience is "actually" saying.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Its probably just filterlands and manlands.
Or for funsies, Horizon Canopy, Grove of the Burnwillows, River of Tears, etc.
SigmasonicX
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The Origins plane that had the most work put into it because its probably a thing they are already working on scored the best. WHAT A SURPRISE!
Also if Maro is tired of people asking for Kamigawa maybe he should stop asking questions where that is an obvious answer? Like is it that hard for him to admit that inspite of whatever data he collected a decade ago that a lot of people still have a strong interest in the plane. I appreciate that WOTC listens to feedback and I think overall it has resulted in a better game. However, I think there have been clear cases where it has hurt the game as well or resulted in worse design (hello new Eldrazi). They seem to just absorb everything and aren't always good at ignoring "bad" feedback - a good leader sometimes needs to know or be able to judge when an idea or response isn't worth listening too or discern what an audience is "actually" saying.
If you're referring to the "typical Blogatog" aside, that's from toebel, not MaRo.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
They look like Thomas Kinkade knockoffs. Except that bitchin' Godless Shrine.
I really like the phrase "We don't need avatars, we need characters," which I think is 90% of the problem with Planeswalkers recently. They make for good soundbites and cosplay but poor stories. I think it's a problem that extends to a lot of fantasy/sci-fi/superhero media, selling concepts more than characters.
See, I like Gideon in a "Superman but Magic" way. He's an indestructible man in a world that is very, very destructible. It's an interesting conflict that feels relatively unique to the character, the setting, and the context. Nissa's stories could be ripped from any teen fantasy novel by comparison.
Execution isn't without its issues, but it's a good idea at least.
The Technomancer
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Am I crazy for thinking they might reprint the Vivid lands?
why is gideon indestructible? i thought he was just some peasant in theros.
well you're wrong
I'm not even an art expert and even I can recognise the big difference in painting style.
Yes. Way too good.
SigmasonicX
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Mutant ability he was born with, as explained in his origin story.
Thread moves extremely quickly with the spoilers coming out!
Thanks to those who answered my questions several pages back. I might wait till the pre-release event and attend my local gamestore to take part and see what the group is like (sadly don't have any friends who play Magic atm). If I meet some cool people and the group seems solid then I'll commit, maybe attend more pre-release and draft events, grab the "Armed and Dangerous" set and try go Standard whilst making a Modern/Legacy/Commander deck with my old cards.
Also loving the Eldrazi design. Always found Cthulu-esque monsters to be cool
Thanks to those who answered my questions several pages back. I might wait till the pre-release event and attend my local gamestore to take part and see what the group is like (sadly don't have any friends who play Magic atm). If I meet some cool people and the group seems solid then I'll commit, maybe attend more pre-release and draft events, grab the "Armed and Dangerous" set and try go Standard whilst making a Modern/Legacy/Commander deck with my old cards.
Also loving the Eldrazi design. Always found Cthulu-esque monsters to be cool
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
mutant ability? what? someone has to explain this to me
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
He just has the power to make himself invincible, its basically just a mutant power. It was in his Origins story.
SigmasonicX
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it would have been infinitely radder if Gideon was actually Russian.
it's incredibly silly though to have him born with mutant powers in a greek mythology influenced world, and then have his spark ignited. it's like winning the lottery twice.
I'd still like to see my suggestion but I'm obviously biased. From those picks the Mesoamerican and African planes could be cool. It would be interesting to see a Mesoamerican block take on something like the Spanish conquests of the 16th Century. As for an African block, I have a hard time believing that WotC could do one that isn't just 'Egypt' themed or centered around an Anansi-style trickster. The latter could be cool if they play with the artistic style guide a bit for that block. There's plenty of good African folklore they could source from but I have my doubts as to whether or not WotC would tackle the material in a satisfactory fashion. *shrug*
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