Ah, so we're saying <> can only be paid with a colorless source. That clears things up substantially. Cheers.
Yeah. You can use 2 Rishadan ports and 8 forests to pay for Kozilek, but not 10 forests.
Ah, so we're saying <> can only be paid with a colorless source. That clears things up substantially. Cheers.
I think you're confused about the rules. The current basic lands (mountain and the rest) can't tap for colorless. They only tap for their associated color.
There's a difference between generic mana and colorless mana.
Generic Mana can only appear in costs. It just means "use whatever type of mana you want for this part of the cost."
Colorless Mana, until now, only appeared in abilities that generated it. If <> is the colorless mana symbol what it means is you can only used colorless mana for it; it's not generic mana, you can't use colored mana to pay for it.
Because <> is necessary to make a clean full art land.
Also, for costs.
Having both side by side eases the transition.
This is why eldrazi mana is a dumb name. Well, eldrazi is a dumb name in general.Ah, so we're saying <> can only be paid with a colorless source. That clears things up substantially. Cheers.
Yeah, Kozilek's casting cost is the key to the whole thing.
Yeah. You can use 2 Rishadan ports and 8 forests to pay for Kozilek, but not 10 forests.
Colorless Mana, until now, only appeared in abilities that generated it. If <> is the colorless mana symbol what it means is you can only used colorless mana for it; it's not generic mana, you can't use colored mana to pay for it.
Herr Kommissar?
Didn't we have a judge promo leak?Well, now that's settled, what do we think the new Rishadan Port art is going to look like?
I would've really liked it if Kozilek's Channeler and Hedron Archive had said "Add <> <> to your mana pool" in BFZ, but then we didn't actually see stuff with that in the cost till Oath.
So you believe that Sol Ring now reads: Add (<>)(<>) to your mana pool?
The problem is that you can't use the card at all if you don't know what ♦ is.
The problem is that you can't use the card at all if you don't know what ♦ is.
I'm pretty sure you don't add boobs with pasties on them to your mana pool no.
But essentially yes, I would think that's how it would work. The other option is that ♦ is Void Mana (i.e. colorless snow mana), which is fine, its just way more parasitic and insular to this specific set.
But essentially yes, I would think that's how it would work. The other option is that ♦ is Void Mana (i.e. colorless snow mana), which is fine, its just way more parasitic and insular to this specific set.
I'm pretty sure you don't add boobs with pasties on them to your mana pool no.
Tropical Wastes
Land - Forest Island Waste
T: Add <>
T: Add G or U
Book it, baby.
I still maintain BFZ has interesting stuff in it that just gets overshadowed by Khans of Tarkir being overpowered.
You think they'll do strictly better duals?
Doesn't this fly in the face of the reserved list?
I'm pretty sure all this is why Wizards doesn't like stuff to leak.
You think they'll do strictly better duals?
Doesn't this fly in the face of the reserved list?
Huh? Kozilek's Channeler costs 5 colorless.
BTW, this makes it backwards compatible with the eldrazi drones/scions. That's hugely important.
Didn't we have a judge promo leak?
I'm pretty sure all this is why Wizards doesn't like stuff to leak.
Not a functional reprint, not a loophole creation. Psh. Totes doable. And of course, I'm joking. They could do it. But they won't because those lands are powerful and fun and allow for all sorts of deck creation across multiple formats, and modern Magic design just doesn't allow for those types of shenanigans.
Will of Force
You may pay 1 life and discard a blue card from your hand rather than pay Force of Will's mana cost.
Counter target spell.
The set's got interesting ideas, but its completely schizophrenic and they're all half-baked.I still maintain BFZ has interesting stuff in it that just gets overshadowed by Khans of Tarkir being overpowered.
Them not taking risks has been a big problem. This is definitely a good thing.Shit, to be honest, the whole uncertainty is the best part of this whole thing. I want WotC to take chances like this. More <>, less "I guess this is like sunburst or whatever, I dunno who gives a fuck."
BFZ has been selling gangbusters. It's a very popular set. Don't let the vocal minority on the internet fool you.I'd be stoked that people are this interested in my product. Especially after the critical failure of BFZ. Your ass is only as funky as your last cut, remember?
Force of Will isn't on the reserve list.Will of Force
You may pay 1 life and discard a blue card from your hand rather than pay Force of Will's mana cost.
Counter target spell.
There is 0 chance of this set not selling gangbusters because of the expedition, they made Box EV sky high. Sales is a very, very bad metric for judging this set. (Normally, its a good one.)BFZ has been selling gangbusters. It's a very popular set. Don't let the vocal minority on the internet fool you.
There is 0 chance of this set not selling gangbusters because of the expedition, they made Box EV sky high. Sales is a very, very bad metric for judging this set. (Normally, its a good one.)
Don't give me shit for what I'm into. I don't give you shit for being an asshole
The set's got interesting ideas, but its completely schizophrenic and they're all half-baked.
Them not taking risks has been a big problem. This is definitely a good thing.
I think AVR is one where Sales shows you what worked despite the noticeable crap. (The rares/mythics, Miracle mechanic, Angel theme.)Seriously. How many things can we agree have significant objective flaws yet go on to sell gangbusters anyway? Twilight series, Transformers movies, Avacyn Restored, etc. Sales are part of the picture and should be taken into account for the sake of analysis but sales by themselves are not a good metric to use.
BFZ has been selling gangbusters. It's a very popular set. Don't let the vocal minority on the internet fool you.
Force of Will isn't on the reserve list.
Once someone pointed out the Bismuth art similarity on Wastes with the Kozilek cards, it was a closed case.MTG Salvation has more-or-less confirmed that these cards are real:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/...gw-kozilek-the-great-distortion-and-new-basic
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/...mirrorpool-new-mythic-land-producing-new-type
From Wizards' perspective its not. It's not just sealed product sales that are up; event participation is also up. In our case, it's not just a small difference either; we're talking almost 3x the sales and event entries vs. Khans in the same period.There is 0 chance of this set not selling gangbusters because of the expedition, they made Box EV sky high. Sales is a very, very bad metric for judging this set. (Normally, its a good one.)
I'm not saying that BFZ isn't flawed (there's a lot of things I don't like about it), just that the opinion of enfranchised players is really only a small piece of the picture. BFZ is very popular with more casual players from what I've seen. It makes sense, too, since it's a very Timmy and Johnny set and not particularly Spikey.Seriously. How many things can we agree have significant objective flaws yet go on to sell gangbusters anyway? Twilight series, Transformers movies, Avacyn Restored, etc. Sales are part of the picture and should be taken into account for the sake of analysis but sales by themselves are not a good metric to use.
BTW, this makes it backwards compatible with the eldrazi drones/scions. That's hugely important.
I'm pretty sure all this is why Wizards doesn't like stuff to leak.
I still maintain BFZ has interesting stuff in it that just gets overshadowed by Khans of Tarkir being overpowered.
I'm not saying that BFZ isn't flawed (there's a lot of things I don't like about it), just that the opinion of enfranchised players is really only a small piece of the picture. BFZ is very popular with more casual players from what I've seen. It makes sense, too, since it's a very Timmy and Johnny set and not particularly Spikey.
107.12.
The chaos symbol is {C}. It appears on one face of the planar die used in the Planechase casual variant, as well as in abilities that refer to the results of rolling the planar die. See rule 901, "Planechase."
107.12.
The chaos symbol is {CHAOS}. It appears on one face of the planar die used in the Planechase casual variant, as well as in abilities that refer to the results of rolling the planar die. See rule 901, "Planechase
There's a simpler way of putting with it: If you played the original Zendikar block, BFZ comes off as a malformed frankenstein's monster version of the original. All the mechanics got worse.Yeah, not having interesting stuff is definitely not BFZ's problem, it actually has a ton of interesting stuff. The (tightly related) problems are basically 1) it has a fundamental inspiration problem that led to weird results with the Eldrazi, 2) design went late and late designs that need to be salvaged by development are always bad sets, therefore 3) it's kind of an incoherent hot mess, especially next to something elegant like Khans.
As a general rule, I'd say:
- Enfranchised players compare sets to each other, casual players judge them in a vacuum
- Enfranchised players care more about the set as a whole, casual players care more about the quality of the coolest standalone cards they can get
- Enfranchised players care about limited, casual players don't
The biggest issues with BFZ all fall squarely in the enfranchised side of this list.
Someone on MTGS pointed something interesting out about a rules change between DTK and Origins
I'm not saying that BFZ isn't flawed (there's a lot of things I don't like about it), just that the opinion of enfranchised players is really only a small piece of the picture. BFZ is very popular with more casual players from what I've seen. It makes sense, too, since it's a very Timmy and Johnny set and not particularly Spikey.
Someone on MTGS pointed something interesting out about a rules change between DTK and Origins
I guessss but like, I'm a pretty big Timmy player and I'm pretty apathetic towards playing events with this set
My point was just that if you have one in play, you've guaranteed you can pay the constrained part of Kozilek's cost, the <><>.
Yeah this is the single biggest reason I feel confident this isn't a special kind of mana. If it was going to work that way it'd really have to be supported in the first set on things like the Scions.
We did. It's weird, the Judge promo series is numbered 1-8 for 2015, but the mailings that went out only had 4-8 in them. Rishadan Port is 3, I think we have no idea what 1-2 are, or any idea how/when they'll distribute them. Maybe it'll wind up like the Entomb from a few years ago.