Familienoberhauptvogel
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Magic: the Gathering - Battle for Zendikar |OT| Lands matter (but nothing else does)
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"God's Beard!"
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charlequin
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It's shown as a judge foil but its officially listed as the 2016 GP promo on the very same page by Wizards.
They printed a series of 8 promo cards in the "Judge" series this year but only distributed 4-8. 3 is Rishadan Port (we've seen one copy), 1 is apparently Stoneforge Mystic; typically when their plans for this stuff change they find a way to burn off the remaining promos on something else later on. I'd guess we'll see the mystery card and Port pop up somewhere soon too.
"God's Beard!"
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Shoulda been Goyf.
Fuck your reprint equity.
Fuck your reprint equity.
SFM is a bizarro choice for a promo, definitely agree something went awry here.
Angry Grimace
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";187896567]I am aware.
I think Lingering Souls has even less of a shot at a reprint.[/QUOTE]
Mostly because I don't think they're going to reuse Flashback in SOI.
I think Lingering Souls has even less of a shot at a reprint.[/QUOTE]
Mostly because I don't think they're going to reuse Flashback in SOI.
Angry Grimace
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Definitely I was just saying its a completely random choice because Snapcaster Mage (the PTQ promo) makes a billion times more sense as a GP promo. I mean, I guess there's a lot of reprint equity in Snapcaster, but fuck it.
charlequin
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It makes perfect sense as a Judge promo, since those always skew towards stuff that higher-level Judges play (i.e. Legacy and Commander.)
My guess is that the first three promos for this year got lost in the shuffle when they switched from periodic Judge mailings to the Exemplar program, so now they're just gonna burn them off as this type of event promo. We'll probably see one of these as the next WMCQ promo too instead of something new.
"God's Beard!"
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That said, let's go Inquisition of Kozilek!
The Technomancer
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Probably not. My money is on Transform and Undying returning
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Transform is pretty much confirmed by the size of the set.
Angry Grimace
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We're coming up on the Kozilek set. I would be mildly surprised if Inquisition is not in this set. It's not really that good in Standard - the overall mana curve in Legacy and Modern is way lower than in Standard, where a lot of the game-winning cards cards are 4+.
charlequin
Banned
Undying seems really unnecessary.
"God's Beard!"
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It is quite good alongside Disdainful Stroke or Transgress the Mind, though. I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two in maindecks.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It whiffs on ~4 different cards against Yore-Tiller and can just be boarded out for disdainful strokes or that devoid spell against other decks.
Angry Grimace
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Jeskai Black is way less of the field than it was a month ago.
The Technomancer
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Its the only one I can think of though. No-one cares about Fateful Hour, I doubt they'll do Flashback again (although I could see Unearth making a showing)
Familienoberhauptvogel
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It hits everything but CoCo against Rally too. Eldrazi Ramp and Esper Dragons it'd be weak against.
Funnily Jeskai Black never even won a major event.
Angry Grimace
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I mean, the fact it hits stuff isn't really a reason to not print it. Discard in and of itself isn't problematic. If they're okay printing Duress, Despise and Thoughtseize at the same time, I don't know why Inquisition, which is pretty clearly worse than Thoughtseize in the format, would be problematic.
The fact that it would be good against Deck X or Y isn't terribly relevant either - literally every non-basic land card is better against some particular deck more than others.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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But they do take standard into account for stuff like that. Not at this stage but if they had an idea the field would develop like this they might have decided not to print it.
Angry Grimace
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If they didn't have a problem printing Thoughtseize, I don't see why they'd have a problem printing Thoughtseize except less generically good.
Besides, if they already knew that the field would be dumb 4 color nonsense, they'd probably be more likely to print Inquisition, not less.
charlequin
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Why would there be two? BFZ only has multiple returning mechanics because it's effectively trying to stitch two different blocks together.
"God's Beard!"
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I like this article from Matt Sperling about bannable cards in Legacy.
I've said before that fetchlands should be banned, but he goes through what everybody knows, that they're completely unbannable due to popularity.
I've said before that fetchlands should be banned, but he goes through what everybody knows, that they're completely unbannable due to popularity.
Angry Grimace
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There's nothing about Flashback, Undying, or anything else that was in the original block that's thematically or mechanically tied to Innistrad as a place such that they really *need* to come back, in which case I doubt they will. DFC's are the real flagship mechanic of Innistrad; I would be willing to bet actual money that DFCs are coming back, but I doubt anyone would take me up on it.
The thing about Flashback is that it's sort of like Delve to me in that it's inherently powerful, so I don't necessarily believe they're in a huge rush to bring it back.
I'm pretty sure they're aware that putting 12 fetches in a deck is a horrible idea. I refuse to believe they would have put the Prairie Stream cycle in the game if they affirmatively knew it was going to be correct to do so.
"God's Beard!"
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Mark Rosewater used their synergy as a selling point during their annonuncement.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";187936059]Mark Rosewater used their synergy as a selling point during their annonuncement.[/QUOTE]
They intended to put a dual land cycle in.
They made a cycle that was worse than the Shocklands overall in most formats. But what they failed to realize is that in Standard, that cycle was actually far, far,far better than the Shocklands would ever be. Complete dev screw up. Fetchable fastlands were the way to go, imo.
They intended to put a dual land cycle in.
They made a cycle that was worse than the Shocklands overall in most formats. But what they failed to realize is that in Standard, that cycle was actually far, far,far better than the Shocklands would ever be. Complete dev screw up. Fetchable fastlands were the way to go, imo.
Angry Grimace
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";187936059]Mark Rosewater used their synergy as a selling point during their annonuncement.[/QUOTE]
You're basically pointing out that design was aware that fetchlands were legal at the same time as the BFZ cycle. That doesn't mean they were necessarily aware people were planning to run 12-14 fetchlands and be shuffling 5+ times per game.
Fetchable duals that get better as the game progresses encourages you to play as many as your life total feasibly allows, which is basically somewhere around 12 give or take.
You're basically pointing out that design was aware that fetchlands were legal at the same time as the BFZ cycle. That doesn't mean they were necessarily aware people were planning to run 12-14 fetchlands and be shuffling 5+ times per game.
Fetchable duals that get better as the game progresses encourages you to play as many as your life total feasibly allows, which is basically somewhere around 12 give or take.
Angry Grimace
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You can't ban Blood Moon unless you make Wasteland legal or something. Choke and Boil should be banned though.
The only thing on your list even vaguely likely to happen is Summer Bloom.
The only thing on your list even vaguely likely to happen is Summer Bloom.
Funny thing is Choke/Boil are far less effective in Modern than Legacy due to the non-basic-landtype duals being good.
Angry Grimace
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It's not a matter of their efficacy its that they punish you for playing Islands. That's just dumb. I don't think anyone's in a rush to suggest Flashfires, Tsunami or Acid Rain come to Modern because they're hideously stupid cards, just like Boil is.
"God's Beard!"
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They should just print every card in Shardless BUG unto Modern.
divisionbyzorro
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Oh my god you just hate fun, don't you.
I've come around on Spirit Guide; it gives decks free wins they don't deserve without being core to any strategy (other than Ad Nauseam I guess, but that deck is shit anyway). Leave the other stuff alone. Modern is actually quite healthy right now.
Infinite Stars
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I think Stoneforge is a safe bet for an unban. We have enough good artifact hate in Modern and Modern's speed is enough that it's not Turbo busted like it was in Standard. Add to this that Kolaghan's Command exists which is effectively an-anti SFM card and that it's the GP promo for 2016 and I'd say it's likely.
Jace is a nonbo I think, mostly due to his legacy. He's doesn't seem like he'd be a super big problem for Modern, but you know someone would find a way to abuse him and I really don't think Wizards wants to have to reban an unban.
BBE is just.. No. Dear God please no. With Modern becoming the turn 4 format it'd just create the fun benefit of "BBE into :Insert Modern Staple here:", which is just ugh as an idea.
Twin is the one I think is debatable, the others are all just "lol T4 rule, lol" (Twin is a virtual violation, imo.)
I'm more curious what would happen w/ those two together. I loved Zen/Alara T2.
Angry Grimace
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The problem with Stoneforge Mystic is twofold: 1) it restricts your ability to meaningfully print any kind of useful Equipment effect; and 2) it probably requires you to ban Batterskull basically for no reason.
The problem with SFM isn't even the second ability, its having both of abilities on one card that costs 2 mana.
Kolaghan's Command answers both decently
Yeah I'm skeptical about an unbanning but I wouldn't be opposed.That card probably allowed it to happen, if it does happen.Kolaghan's Command answers both decently
Angry Grimace
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Except Jund having a 2-of maindeck answer to Batterskull doesn't really change that Turn 3 Batterskull is pretty gross against a very large percentage of the field. Particularly given that the 2-for-1 that Kolaghan's Command represents doesn't actually exist against Stoneforge Mystic since it destroys Batterskull and SFM itself, except you got the Batterskull for free with the SFM.
It hurts Burn. I'm kinda ok with it.
It hurts Burn. I'm kinda ok with it.
It's not like burn doesn't already have a ton of answers to SFM.
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Angry Grimace
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Except if If Stoneforge was Demonic Tutor for Batterskull that also made your opponent discard a removal spell, it would still be a really good card just saying. The fact that Burn has no *real* answer to Batterskull itself is the bigger problem.
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