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[Angry Grimace]

This seems awesome, up to 4 lands removed from the deck for only 4 mana, and possibly taking multiples out in play. And it hits duals/trilands.

It doesn't hit multiples in play

 

[Pyke Presco]

Marginally better than Sowing Salt anyway, although exiling has a completely different context here.

Sure, but it's still difficult to get your own cards back from exile, or even get your lands back from the graveyard, so the opponent will be out those lands regardless.

Edit: Grimace, true enough I didn't read it close enough. Still pretty good I think

 

[OnPoint]

The most important take away I got from the full spoiler is that the worn out Evolving Wilds that dude found in a parking lot months ago was legit. The fuck was up with that?

Intentional plant?

 

[Crocodile]

Processors I like:

Blight Herder
Ulamog's Reclaimer
Wasteland Strangler
Ulamog's Nullifier

That's not a lot of payoff. I mean I know cards like Murk Strider are good but I've been playing cards like those in limited formats without having to jump through hoops for years now. Having to work so much for it here isn't something I'm really looking forward to.

It doesn't hit multiples in play

Neither does Sowing Salt........

 

[Angry Grimace]

My preorder list is pretty short.

I picked up the manlands at $5 a piece, a couple Ob Nix and a couple Kiora. Planeswalkers in a new set shouldn't drop much more than $5 for a while if I hold onto them, and I will probably be able to trade them up in the first few weeks. Gideon seems good but he's gonna drop quite a bit.

Processors I like:

Blight Herder
Ulamog's Reclaimer
Wasteland Strangler
Ulamog's Nullifier

That's not a lot of payoff. I mean I know cards like Murk Strider are good but I've been playing cards like those in limited formats without having to jump through hoops for years now. Having to work so much for it here isn't something I'm really looking forward to.



Neither does Sowing Salt........

Uh, yeah? I used it for a while in Jund before I got smart and switched to actual good card Fulminator Mage.

I was just pointing out to Pyke it doesn't work that way.

Blight Herder is a powerful card that I don't find likely to see a ton of play unless Suspension Field/Silkwrap are way better than I am imagining.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

This seems awesome, up to 4 lands removed from the deck for only 4 mana, and possibly taking multiples out in play. And it hits duals/trilands.

Man I read that as basic land at first and thought they willingly broke the game.

 

[Crocodile]

The card text on Crumble to Dust and the card text on Sowing Salt are the same except Dust says "any number" and Salt says "all". Salt in no way or form hits multiple permanents on the battlefield at the same time.

vs

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

My preorder list is pretty short.

I picked up the manlands at $5 a piece, a couple Ob Nix and a couple Kiora. Planeswalkers in a new set shouldn't drop much more than $5 for a while if I hold onto them, and I will probably be able to trade them up in the first few weeks. Gideon seems good but he's gonna drop quite a bit.

Interesting to see Gideon's price rising and Ob Nixilis and Kiora's falling, just with the reveals. Will pick up a couple too.

 

[Angry Grimace]

The card text on Crumble to Dust and the card text on Sowing Salt are the same except Dust says "any number" and Salt says "all". Salt in no way or form hits multiple permanents on the battlefield at the same time.

vs

I have no idea who you are trying to convince. I already knew this, which is what I just said lmao

 

[hort]

Interesting thing I saw on reddit:
There are no cards with prowess in BFZ.


Kind of disappointing. I really like that mechanic.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Interesting thing I saw on reddit:
There are no cards with prowess in BFZ.


Kind of disappointing. I really like that mechanic.

They didn't make it evergreen until Origins, so my guess is that design on BFZ was done by the time that decision came down (although it was obviously before typesetting since Menace is in)

 

[divisionbyzorro]

Interesting thing I saw on reddit:
There are no cards with prowess in BFZ.


Kind of disappointing. I really like that mechanic.

It doesn't make sense here. Landfall is the trigger for the set, not "casting instants and sorceries."

 

[acheron_xl]

It doesn't make sense here. Landfall is the trigger for the set, not "casting instants and sorceries."

It's like leaving flying out Time Spiral because there are creatures with Shadow in it.

 

[pigeon]

Kor Castigator is a terrible design.

I hate the fact that they abandoned instant names being verbs. When did that happen? Like a long time ago I guess.

Why does Ruination Guide cost U?

Silent Skimmer is a fun card. Smothering Abomination is great fun.

Zulaport Cutthroat's sword is too big for cutting throats.

Why do Eldrazi have three different mechanics fighting for dominance? Colorless spells matter, Scions, and exile consumption. Two would probably work, three seems like too many for one theme. Should've ditched Scions now that there are actually small Eldrazi.

Jaddi Offshoot is surprisingly good.

I feel like making a 2/1 mana dork is just rude.

Swell of Growth is great.

Man, there are a lot of mechanical offshoots in this set where there are like three or four cards that suggest a design direction but then they stop worrying about it after that.

 

[hort]

It doesn't make sense here. Landfall is the trigger for the set, not "casting instants and sorceries."

As the new evergreen mechanic for red / blue I figured it would show up here.

It's like leaving flying out Time Spiral because there are creatures with Shadow in it.

Exactly.



It makes sense that it wasn't finalized as evergreen before BFZ was able to incorporate it.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

Evergreen doesn't mean "appears in every set."

 

[Crocodile]

I have no idea who you are trying to convince. I already knew this, which is what I just said lmao

I'm having like four conversations between the internet and IRL and GAF just acted up a bit for me so either I misread what you said or flipped who said what in my head. Nevermind.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Zulaport Cutthroat's sword is too big for cutting throats.

He's not trying to cut human throats.

 

[hort]

Evergreen doesn't mean "appears in every set."

Sure, but you look at other evergreen keywords (http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Evergreen) and almost all of the are represented here except prowess (it might actually be all of them, I'm too lazy to check right now).


I never said it had to be in here, but as someone who likes the mechanic, its a little disappointing to see it get the shaft one set after it became evergreen.

 

[alternade]

Is it just me are are there not enough ingest/exiling effects for all the processor and exile matters cards?

Overall, i'm not that excited by this set. I thought going back to Zendikar would up the power level of cards but it seems as stale as ever. There are a few cards that tickle my EDH fancy but standard looks to be slooooooow.

 

[Ashodin]

Serene steward is fucking awesome

 

[charlequin]

It feels a bit like Exile and the Scions are competing to be the resource focus

I think ideally this kind of works out as a multi-stage engine -- a couple cards (I think?) turn exile cards into scions, scions can turn into eldrazi, eldrazi can exile shit. I didn't get the sense from the spoiler that this was the spot these mechanics would get hinky in practice, but I'll have to look it over again.

The most important take away I got from the full spoiler is that the worn out Evolving Wilds that dude found in a parking lot months ago was legit. The fuck was up with that?

Every set for a while a couple years ago we were getting random commons from the next set in packs of the current one. I dunno if they're doing that on purpose or it's just the result of having to print stuff six months in advance.

He probably didn't find it in a parking lot BTW.

Interesting thing I saw on reddit:
There are no cards with prowess in BFZ.

This happens every time they do new evergreen mechanics, the first few sets afterwards have them at weirdly low volume.

 

[pigeon]

Every set for a while a couple years ago we were getting random commons from the next set in packs of the current one. I dunno if they're doing that on purpose or it's just the result of having to print stuff six months in advance.

If they were doing it on purpose MaRo would've said something by now. It's just because printing is not an exact science. One of the things they tell you when you print a book is that your print run is going to be off by up to a few hundred in either direction because printing is hard. I'm sure this is exactly the same thing except with collation mistakes.

 

["God's Beard!"]

Well, tokens is insane now that the full spoiler is out. I can't believe that they printed Bone Splinters and an improved Tukatongue Thallid.

 

[charlequin]

If they were doing it on purpose MaRo would've said something by now.

You say that but for like five consecutive sets it was exactly one common card that showed off a mechanic or theme for the next set that made sense without context, and it was a few years after they discontinued their old "hand out a common for the next set at stores" preview plan. I don't think the result really looked like what you'd get picking a completely random common out of each set.

 

[Hero]

You say that but for like five consecutive sets it was exactly one common card that showed off a mechanic or theme for the next set that made sense without context, and it was a few years after they discontinued their old "hand out a common for the next set at stores" preview plan. I don't think the result really looked like what you'd get picking a completely random common out of each set.

I think when it was a mistake with Rootborn Defenses but could've sworn MaRo said it was such a 'hit' that they have done similar things since so yeah.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I guess I could play Bone Splinters in Dranathopter, but yeah probably not, Ultimate Price is still pretty damn good as long as Eldrazi aren't a thing. I just wish there was a better three drop around.

Deck: Dranathopter

//Creatures
3 Soulfire Grand Master
4 Thopter Engineer
3 Drana, Liberator of Malakir
3 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
1 Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury
4 Hangarback Walker

//Planeswalkers
2 Sorin, Solemn Visitor
2 Ob Nixilis Reignited

//Spells
2 Mardu Charm
3 Fiery Impulse
1 Roast
1 Ultimate Price
4 Crackling Doom
2 Secure the Wastes

//Land
1 Foundry of the Consuls
1 Mortuary Mire
3 Shambling Vent
3 Caves of Koilos
4 Nomad Outpost
2 Battlefield Forge
3 Smoldering Marsh
4 Bloodstained Mire
1 Swamp
1 Mountain
2 Plains

//Sideboard
2 Ultimate Price
1 Arc Lightning
2 Outpost Siege
4 Duress
1 Ruinous Path
1 Erase
2 Arashin Cleric
2 Vampiric Rites

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[y2dvd]

I really like this card:

Gonna draft this foil because EDH will make this pricey.

 

[SigmasonicX]

Random comments:
* I have to say, I'm surprised at the amount of instant land destruction in this set.
* They actually put an instant Act of Treason in red?
* All of the token focus in blue is unusual. Someone was wondering about the blue Eldrazi that boosts power, but it makes sense when blue is the color that cares most about the Scions, and it also helps artifacts, which blue has always helped.
* Still more menace in red than black. No prowess is odd, but I suppose it makes sense with so many things that care about colorless things being cast. Prowess is unusual is an evergreen mechanic that way. In any case, with blue's focus on tokens in this set, it didn't really need that mechanic here. We might still see it in Oath, though, particularly on the blue-red manland.
* Swell of Growth (+2/+2, put land on battlefield) makes the red spellland pretty good.
* No 2-or-less burn spell that can hit the face is surprising.
* Glad with Sure Strike (+3/+0 first strike for 1R) that they realize they can do better than Thunder Strike.
* Limited at least looks fairly interesting.

 

[Angry Grimace]

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";179259610]Well, tokens is insane now that the full spoiler is out. I can't believe that they printed Bone Splinters and an improved Tukatongue Thallid.[/QUOTE]

Virulent Plague still exists to ruin everything because reasons

 

[Firemind]

I think he means limited? Because Bonesplinters and Thallids are terrible in constructed.

 

[Yeef]

Looks like this is it for artifact and enchantment hate:

Also, not much good burn. Origins was lacking in both of those categories as well.


Strictly Better Thunder Strike / Rise to the Challenge / Slaughter Cry is nice.

Set looks like it should be fun in limited; hard to say how it'll affect constructed.

I think these will be the key cards for GU converge, so make sure to pick them more highly if you're on that plan:

 

[Angry Grimace]

I think he means limited? Because Bonesplinters and Thallids are terrible in constructed.

Yeah, probably right. I used both of those a lot in MM2015 but that deck kinda sucked when you drafted it. I played a guy who had about a billion of each. And Creakwood Liege.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Set looks like it should be fun in limited; hard to say how it'll affect constructed.

Good removal to be replaced by bad removal. My guess is that Converge is probably just a huge fucken trap in limited.

Also, the art in this entire set is terribad for no apparent reason. Is this just the new art direction for Magic because both Origins and this have sucked

 

[Kid Ska]

I guess I could play Bone Splinters in Dranathopter, but yeah probably not, Ultimate Price is still pretty damn good as long as Eldrazi aren't a thing. I just wish there was a better three drop around.

I like it. Looks like a fun list.

 

[ultron87]

I'm very surprised that Sylvan Scrying art is real. Something about it just doesn't look like modern Magic art at all. Especially in being a non land.

 

[Firemind]

Good removal to be replaced by bad removal. My guess is that Converge is probably just a huge fucken trap in limited.

Also, the art in this entire set is terribad for no apparent reason. Is this just the new art direction for Magic because both Origins and this have sucked

Mantis Rider is going to be so good. Dodges all removal lower than cmc 3.

Also, CG shading is the future!

 

[Angry Grimace]

Mantis Rider is going to be so good. Dodges all removal lower than cmc 3.

Also, CG shading is the future!

I had a Jeskai Midrange thing cooked up and puca'd extra Atarka/Ojutai earlier, which seems like it was a good idea. I have a playset of each, I doubt I need them but they're both just too good to not see even more play with a very weak constructed set rotating in.

 

[Firemind]

I had a Jeskai Midrange thing cooked up and puca'd extra Atarka/Ojutai earlier, which seems like it was a good idea. I have a playset of each, I doubt I need them but they're both just too good to not see even more play with a very weak constructed set rotating in.

The problem will be acquiring the Jaces. Not that I'll be able to attend any standard events.

 

[Jhriad]

The problem will be acquiring the Jaces. Not that I'll be able to attend any standard events.

His price is pretty much the only thing keeping me from playing Jeskai or any other Blue deck where he'd be included. I'm not paying $40 for any in print Standard card.

 

[charlequin]

* All of the token focus in blue is unusual. Someone was wondering about the blue Eldrazi that boosts power, but it makes sense when blue is the color that cares most about the Scions, and it also helps artifacts, which blue has always helped.

Yeah this is one of those nice development touches I was talking about. Scions are a good mechanical focus for blue since colorless mana is a long-time minor blue theme; pumping colorless stuff is a great blue theme since it usually plays as artifact love.

 

[Bandini]

What is this monstrosity I've created? Looking forward to testing it out tonight.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hangardack-retti/

 

[Angry Grimace]

I never claimed to be a good deckbuilder, so its just regular Jeskai. With Gideon and new land because reasons.

Deck: Lol Battle for Zendikar Jeskai

//Creatures
3 Soulfire Grand Master
4 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
4 Mantis Rider
2 Monastery Mentor
3 Thunderbreak Regent
3 Dragonlord Ojutai

//Planeswalker
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar

//Spells
3 Wild Slash
3 Draconic Roar
3 Valorous Stance
1 Jeskai Charm
2 Exquisite Firecraft
1 Ojutai's Command
3 Dig Through Time

//Land
2 Battlefield Forge
4 Flooded Strand
1 Plains
1 Island
2 Mountain
1 Sandstone Bridge
4 Mystic Monastery
3 Prairie Stream
2 Shivan Reef
2 Swiftwater Cliffs
1 Wind-Scarred Crag

//Sideboard
2 Rending Volley
3 Disdainful Stroke
1 Stubborn Denial
2 Radiant Flames
1 Revoke Existence
1 Narset Transcendent
2 Negate
3 Arashin Cleric

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[Firemind]

Oh, right. I forgot about Draconic Roar. Soulfire Grandmaster seems sick, especially with Ojutai's Command. Makes Draconic Roar into a roided up Lightning Helix.

 

[Socat]

Still debating on jumping into standard with a naya flavored weenie deck with prowess, pump spells and zada to make it extra tasty? Please tell me why this is a frivolous waste of time that I could be using to test modern.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Oh, right. I forgot about Draconic Roar. Soulfire Grandmaster seems sick, especially with Ojutai's Command. Makes Draconic Roar into a roided up Lightning Helix.

The mentor is probably unnecessary, but he is a relatively cheap threat that wins the game on his own if your opponent doesn't do anything to it.

 

[Etrian Oddity]

lmao WOTC

Don't care wut you say, that's cool. Loving "stole ya girl" Kiora.

In fact, gonna get at least two of her, unsure of the third unless I run a Sultai tempo/control deck with her. Throwing in a Brood Tyrant could be fun.

Are there any cards within the new standard that have self-milling ability to activate Sidisi's zombie generator?

 

[Angry Grimace]

Its just funny because there was a big thing where nobody could understand why flavorwise Pin to the Earth didn't remove flying

 

[WanderingWind]

The Theros gods, much like Theros itself, were completely worthless.

 

[Firemind]

I wouldn't get Kiora immediately for $20. I think she's incredibly overrated. In creature-heavy decks, you'd rather have CoCo. In ramp decks, the impulse is going to wiff xx% of the time. Rather have Sarkhan Unbroken 9 out of 10 times.