"God's Beard!"
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Well my round one opponent never showed up and timed out so I'm already doing better than yesterday.
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Magic: the Gathering - Oath o/t Gatewatch |OT| Look again, the mana is now diamonds!
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Mind sharing your list? I'm still deciding if I want Mox Diamond or just SSG.
Here's what I'm working with right now --
Biggest concern is that it's too light on threats. Mimic probably getting cut for something else.
Yeah, Diamond has been goldfishing kind of awkwardly. Tossed it in thinking of how sweet it'd be to discard extra Eyes to, but that's definitely not enough justification to run a card (and extra lands to enable it.)
Was just looking at existing MUD lists and thinking about Monolith, which might be the right direction for the deck. Got a link to that list? I want to live the turn 3 Ulamog dream.
Heh; it's basically the MUD list from the SCG Classic last month, but with Eldrazi slotted in.
Thanks. I'll test something like that alongside the dragon stompy variant I'm trying now. Also gonna cut the Mox Diamonds to slot in a few Endbringers and Oblivion Sowers.
edit: Turn 2 Bane of Bala Ged off Grim Monolith :V
Thanks. I'll test something like that alongside the dragon stompy variant I'm trying now. Also gonna cut the Mox Diamonds to slot in a few Endbringers and Oblivion Sowers.
edit: Turn 2 Bane of Bala Ged off Grim Monolith :V
"God's Beard!"
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I'm telling you guys, Legacy Eldrazi is all about Eldrazi Mimic, Matter Reshaper and Phyrexian Dreadnought.
1 mana +10/+11, eat your heart out Become Immense.
1 mana +10/+11, eat your heart out Become Immense.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I just feel like people who keep saying "let the meta adjust" are in denial that its doing something that's fundamentally broken in every format other than Vintage.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
Turn 1 mimic into turn 2 reality smasher is absurd. Literally absurd. Obviously that's a nut draw, but a more realistic scenario is t1 mimic into t2 thought knot into t3 reality smasher = insta lose. Maybe infect can get out of the situation barely alive with an infect flyer.
That's happened quite a few times at the Pro Tour though. We've even had 2 Mimics T1 and Thought-Knot Seer T2. That is just nasty.
A meta can only adjust so much if one deck seems so far ahead of the curve. It's not as if there's easy sideboard hate either.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
Maybe an 80% counter based deck that loses to everything but eldrazi.
"God's Beard!"
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Well somehow I managed to beat a GW nissa/Thought-Knot Seer deck with my pile. World Breaker on Isolation Zone helped, as well as my opponent getting greedy and trying to go one above ultimate with Nissa and getting fucked by my like 1 of 2 removal spells.
I don't think it's big enough for them to.
divisionbyzorro
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An entire pack got out there, and a box is theoretically floating around. They might have to respond.
Wulfric
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That guy on Reddit should have offered to buy the whole box and open it on camera. It would be fun to watch the PR team scramble in response.
I still can't believe we didn't get SOI or supplement set spoilers. The Pro Tour is one the few times per year they have thousands of dedicated fans watching at the same time; you're essentially losing money not advertising to these people (OGW doesn't count).
I still can't believe we didn't get SOI or supplement set spoilers. The Pro Tour is one the few times per year they have thousands of dedicated fans watching at the same time; you're essentially losing money not advertising to these people (OGW doesn't count).
Joe Molotov
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A tearful Trick Jarrett will condemn MTG players and announce that WotC will now focus solely on Kaijudo.
"God's Beard!"
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Aaaand there's the second loss. I guess 2-2 going into the last round isn't terrible for a sealed pool with literally no removal that kills a creature with more than two toughness by itself other than Scour From Existence.
No Isolation Zones, no Oblivion Strikes, not even a Boulder Salvo lol
And I'm a green deck with no big creatures below 6 mana lol
:-(
I got double prophet of distortion though! ...even though I have to use sylvan scrying to find the wastes to activate it lol
Man, my deck yesterday was waaaay better, just got the unlucks this weekend.
No Isolation Zones, no Oblivion Strikes, not even a Boulder Salvo lol
And I'm a green deck with no big creatures below 6 mana lol
:-(
I got double prophet of distortion though! ...even though I have to use sylvan scrying to find the wastes to activate it lol
Man, my deck yesterday was waaaay better, just got the unlucks this weekend.
charlequin
Banned
I just think the way you've gotta deal with metagame issues like this is to get data. If there's no way to deal with it then it'll be clear pretty quick and they can ban it after SOI. But I don't think that (again, excepting totally insane stuff like Memory Jar) they should pre-emptively ban stuff before people take a good-faith crack at destroying it.
That box doesn't matter unless someone shares it (and it sounds like the original guy at least probably doesn't want to.) One pack isn't even significant by historical standards. The OGW leak was way, way worse than this.
Etrian Oddity
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The Game Day promos for this Friday look great. The Jori-En is particularly cool.
Wulfric
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Uhh, guys?
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/44paov/bannings_wizards_emergency_bans_eldrazi_temple/
That was fast.
Edit: Nevermind, it looks like it's a fake...
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/44paov/bannings_wizards_emergency_bans_eldrazi_temple/
That was fast.
Edit: Nevermind, it looks like it's a fake...
Really shows that control has no spot in modern right now. Somehow the usually strong U is weak in modern and I hope they will give it something, just at least try unbanning something. With that though I think Merfolk probably has the best matchup aside from Affinity, packing hate with Spreading Seas MD and Seas Claim SB, against Eldrazi. Both of those help Merfolk and turnoff the Sol lands.
I really think Eye will be the target of the ban, not Temple. Temple does allow for the deck to be fast, but really won't allow it to be ridiculous. Still won't see a whole lot of T1 and T2 Temples, so Thought Knot just becomes non flash non evasive Vendillion Cligue and Reality Smasher will see a lot more T4 plays. Also keeps the board from being clogged up with Mimics T1. If they ban both they kill the deck.
I really think Eye will be the target of the ban, not Temple. Temple does allow for the deck to be fast, but really won't allow it to be ridiculous. Still won't see a whole lot of T1 and T2 Temples, so Thought Knot just becomes non flash non evasive Vendillion Cligue and Reality Smasher will see a lot more T4 plays. Also keeps the board from being clogged up with Mimics T1. If they ban both they kill the deck.
To be fair, the Eldrazi Deck that won was UR... but seriously though, these Eldrazi decks just get in too fast for blue's usual tempo plays to matter. Free Mimics? Turn two Thought-Knots? It's unbelievable.
I also agree Eye will be getting it before Temple, if they decide to break it up. Eye is the card enabling the most broken of the draws.
The deck that finished the best in the MODO PTQ outside of Eldrazi?
U/W control.
Eye and SSG are easy bans. Temple I feel should be left alone, its nowhere near as busted.
charlequin
Banned
Edit: Nevermind, it looks like it's a fake...
Only one card has ever been emergency banned and it was in a situation where months of tournaments had already been ruined and the entire R&D team nearly got fired. This doesn't come anywhere close.
Yeah, I don't see any reason to completely wreck the deck if it turns out an Eyeless version is competitive but fair.
The overreaction is the "this makes the splinter twin ban a mistake" thing.
The deck's completely broken and will make the format stupid for the next two months. This is going to be like Darksteel-era standard, with 1 deck dominating, and the only viable alternatives being ones that can somewhat deal with the BS directly. (This is why the infi-life chord decks and U/W are doing ok.)
SigmasonicX
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I'm hoping the ban decision they go for is Eye of Ugin, leaving Eldrazi Temple alone. It's a shame, since Eye of Ugin is the more interesting card, but it's the one that results in turn-one hand dumping. With Eldrazi Temple, you do still get a potential turn-2 Thought-Knot Seer, but you'd just have one Eldrazi Mimic out.
charlequin
Banned
Yeah, there's no imaginable world where leaving Twin around made this into some perfect kumbaya PT.
somewhere on Reddit: Bernie Sanders would have kept this from happening!
"God's Beard!"
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Cmon Wizards, just let me play Shardless BUG in Modern already. I'll even use shocklands!
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";194571635]Cmon Wizards, just let me play Shardless BUG in Modern already. I'll even use shocklands![/QUOTE]
You know mechanic is a mistake when a grizzly bears with your mechanic stapled to it is a Legacy staple.
You know mechanic is a mistake when a grizzly bears with your mechanic stapled to it is a Legacy staple.
"God's Beard!"
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At least give me the owl and cabal therapy
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It's impressive the impact the supplemental products had on vintage and Legacy.
It helps that you get Ancestral Recall on a bear.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Honestly, going back through the footage, you know what strikes me? Mimic is what really broke the deck open. Yeah, Eye is the enabler and all. But what'll get it banned isn't be able to generate extra mana (Tron), it's ability to reasonable drop 4 power on turn 1 (that can reasonable turn to 6-8 power the next turn) without tapping out. That's really why UR was stronger. The "trash" cards that cost a single mana, and all. I wonder what this weekend would have looked like if Mimic didn't exist.
GoutPatrol
Forgotten in his cell
Well, I would say if Twin was still around, many of those people playing Eldrazi would be playing Twin as the "safe" option for modern, because Twin always had game against any deck. The banning of Twin did allow this to happen just because people were not afraid of doing something really out there.
Every set release the same spoilers leak, once an item has leaked you can't patch it up.
What can they do?
If anything isn't it a weird form of uncontrolled marketing or does it genuinely damage sales?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
As it stands I'm already tired of OGW so they might as well start with spoilers.
Its pretty bad. Think about it. My first impression of the new set was really bad pictures that i could barely make out.
I would imagine they are doing most of the work behind the scenes right now figuring out how it leKed from the printing factory. But if they do know for fact a box got out, i would maybe want to get ahead of that.
divisionbyzorro
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My main issue is twofold. First, that we didn't get to measure the effect of the Twin ban. Second, most of us believe that the format was healthy with Twin in it and that the banning was just to shake up the format for the PT. Eldrazi broke the PT, so the Twin ban didn't get to accomplish its purpose and Twin was sacrificed for no gain. We got two-for-one'd by WotC on this one.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The hilarious part about the Kozilek leak was that it was literally accompanied by the two cards which made it impossible to definitively know what that the diamond was colorless mana because Wastes has no text and Mirrorpool and Kozilek are the only cards in the entire set without reminder text as to what the diamond is.
divisionbyzorro
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I understand why WotC was so frustrated about that leak - the speculation about the <> symbol wasn't very constructive. They really did need to control that message to make it stick the way it needed to, and the leak prevented them from doing that.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Well, it seems they learned. WotC is most definitely already dealing with the leak of the SoI pack (protip: real businesses don't have 'weekends' when shit goes wrong) and we're not hearing anything about it. Especially from a grownup who calls himself "Trick" and attempts to talk down to his consumer base.
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