divisionbyzorro
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The comparison I like to make is Thoughtcast. That's the model they should have tried to follow.
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The comparison I like to make is Thoughtcast. That's the model they should have tried to follow.
Havnt played at much of anything standard since last fall, but I ended up talking myself into a pptq today. Playing Grixis Control: http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/166724. Should be a good time. I figure Grixis Dragons did decently for me, maybe it can do it again 
divisionbyzorro
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It's less about the allies and more about the equipment. What are you hoping to pick up with it?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Stoneforge Masterwork IS the equipment.
I think you're thinking of either Stone Haven Outfitter or Stoneforge Acolyte.
Joe Molotov
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Craw Wurm reprint at Mythic incoming.
20/1 for 3RRR.
Its going to have to be something cheap CMC-wise and also way above the curve or else people are going to be salty.
They have printed cheap curve-breakers before and they generally didn't land at mythic rare. Mythic rares are supposed to feel exciting when you open them -- they're a Timmy experience more than anything. The only reason you feel excited about opening a 2/2 for G is that you're going to win your draft. Except you probably won't if they're mythic rare because a single 2/2 for G doesn't win anything.
I think the only way a vanilla creature makes it to mythic is if its power and toughness are totally absurd. 20/1 probably isn't even crazy enough. 50/50 is probably more plausible.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm sure that it's a gimmick whatever it is.
Joe Molotov
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Emrakul 2.0, 20/20, no casting cost, can only be put into play by alternate means.
Giant Panda
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Just got to wait until you can cast the creature and fling on the same turn.
Joe Molotov
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Or an Eldrazi with an absurd P/T but it costs like
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I'd prefer an absurd casting cost with a better Madness cost to avoid having this card broken as a Cascade target in Modern, but I'm otherwise happy with that idea. A cheap Legendary vanilla 20/20 is threatening but not necessarily game-breaking in any Constructed format.
A Serious Man
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My guess is it's like a 8/0 for two mana and there will be some mechanic on other cards in the set that will give it a point of toughness or keep it alive.
It's in a sealed pool (OGW limited champs) with double Allied Reinforcements. Wanted to make it work, but my ally count is probably too low.
Bloodbraid Elf into Emrakul. Wait, no, not possible, right? Oh well, Sneak Attack or Natural Order it is.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
This card already basically exists (Force of Savagery)
I was thinking either this or something with a really huge ass, like Indomitable Ancients. I know a 0/20 is never going to see print, but I kind of wonder if a 4 mana 0/18 or 0/19 would
Anything larger than a 19/19 seems problematic because its a two card, one-shot combo with so many cards. The same reason why they are hesitant to make a card with a CMC of 20 (I don't have time to find the quotes but they've said as much). A 19/19 just doesn't seem interesting to anyone since I'm sure such a card would cost more than 6 mana. Efficiency is the only way to appeal to anyone I feel.
divisionbyzorro
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I'm 100% thinking of Acolyte. Silly me.
Probably something like
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8/1
It can "feel" mythic because of the huge difference between power and thoughness. It's vanilla, but the 1 toughness 8 power would definitely make it feel less vanilla than a straight 5/5, as you'd need to build around it a bit and wouldn't go in every deck. Also, it's less abusable , than say, a 5/5 for 2 mana with things like cascade. Also can be less stupid with things like Erratic explosion (if it's not a 20 mana 100/100 or something stupid like that) or with cards that care about power or toughtness (if it's something like a 20/20 for 8).
EDIT: ninjaed like 10 times but ok.
RR
8/1
It can "feel" mythic because of the huge difference between power and thoughness. It's vanilla, but the 1 toughness 8 power would definitely make it feel less vanilla than a straight 5/5, as you'd need to build around it a bit and wouldn't go in every deck. Also, it's less abusable , than say, a 5/5 for 2 mana with things like cascade. Also can be less stupid with things like Erratic explosion (if it's not a 20 mana 100/100 or something stupid like that) or with cards that care about power or toughtness (if it's something like a 20/20 for 8).
EDIT: ninjaed like 10 times but ok.
divisionbyzorro
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Conspiracy had a 15/15 for (5). Wasn't even all that good.
charlequin
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If they're going to actually print a vanilla creature at mythic (not rare) it's got to have a gimmick. The X/0 one is already done by Force of Savagery (which would have been a mythic in a set that had them, probably) so that's deeply unlikely.
I think the best option is just the creature with ludicrous toughness, like 0/100 or something. Looking through cards with toughness-based effects, high toughness is just way less abusable than high power: mostly it just lets you gain life, which could be powerful but is assuredly not broken in Modern or older formats. That really only leaves Doran and the deal-toughness-damage enchantment from Khans, which again I don't think are broken in older formats.
I think the best option is just the creature with ludicrous toughness, like 0/100 or something. Looking through cards with toughness-based effects, high toughness is just way less abusable than high power: mostly it just lets you gain life, which could be powerful but is assuredly not broken in Modern or older formats. That really only leaves Doran and the deal-toughness-damage enchantment from Khans, which again I don't think are broken in older formats.
charlequin
Banned
He said it's "still" in the set's file, so it's actually almost certainly not in SOI/EDM.
So basically it'll be a mythic rare wall.
Wall of Trolling Magic Card Collectors WWW
0/40 Defender
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Ass Formation is in Dragons!! ><
Vanilla means no rules text, so it can't have defender or any other ability. That in mind, here are the knobs they can play with:
Cost, Color, Supertype, Type, Subtype, Power, Toughness & Flavor
Depending on what the set it doing, there are a few different ways to make it 'feel' mythic. If it's a tribal set, making it above curve and in one or more relevant tribes might do it. If it's a set where types matter, making it an Enchantment Artifact Creature might do it (though that plays against the current philosophy of enchantment creatures feeling like enchantments).
From a flavor standpoint, they could do something like a planeswalker that lost its spark. Something like:
Gideon, Extinguished 2WW
Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
6/6
Someone on reddit suggested that they could also be introducing a new supertype.
Cost, Color, Supertype, Type, Subtype, Power, Toughness & Flavor
Depending on what the set it doing, there are a few different ways to make it 'feel' mythic. If it's a tribal set, making it above curve and in one or more relevant tribes might do it. If it's a set where types matter, making it an Enchantment Artifact Creature might do it (though that plays against the current philosophy of enchantment creatures feeling like enchantments).
From a flavor standpoint, they could do something like a planeswalker that lost its spark. Something like:
Gideon, Extinguished 2WW
Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
6/6
Someone on reddit suggested that they could also be introducing a new supertype.
A 0/100 would be fucking amazing
Infinite Stars
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0/100, aka "Ayli EDH just wins." Or Trostani EDH.
If it's green Ayli can't play it. Trostanti can though haha
shrapnelmagnet
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I would buy 4.
Infinite Stars
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This GP is just hillarious. Redeeming Nissa
Giant Panda
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Falconer has been a staple in Hardened Scale brews since Khans, but it was just that: a fun but only semi-competitive brew. Hardened Scales has become a lot more competitive recently though, I'm assuming it was that type of deck that the Falconer made a pro appearance in?
charlequin
Banned
Oh nice, my buddy who flew down to GP Houston is 6-0 so far.
Oh. Well, either way it'll be rotated out before Lock gets here.
WotC doesn't generally consider cards with rules-effect-having supertypes to be vanilla, so that's probably not what Rosewater is hinting at, I'd guess.
Oh. Well, either way it'll be rotated out before Lock gets here.
WotC doesn't generally consider cards with rules-effect-having supertypes to be vanilla, so that's probably not what Rosewater is hinting at, I'd guess.
Isamaru, Hound of Konda was considered a Vanilla creature.
the black pearl
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I played a draft for the first time in a year and a half. Had a lot of fun. I had to leave early to take an online quiz though so that was a drag.
Infinite Stars
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I can't wait for that sweet delicious Ban Hammer to hit both the lands in the decks.
I mean, they're both probably getting banned in Modern considering Wizards uses sledgehammers rather then scapels, but that they've reached legacy in such power, despite "Legacy has better answers!" Being an answer Reddit spams has to be a giant warning flag, right?
charlequin
Banned
Based on what they've said (and tested on the GDS!) about what counts as vanilla for design purposes, they might say "vanilla Legend" about Isamaru but they'd actually count it for design purposes as French vanilla. I know it's a minor distinction but this is the stuff they take into account when teasing stuff -- I'm pretty sure the tease isn't "a mythic vanilla creature" where "vanilla" means "has a rules-significant supertype that makes it not play like a vanilla creature."
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Not happening in Legacy. Legacy has the tools to deal with it.
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