charlequin
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Neither will ever show up in standard again, but it's close to 100% that both will be reprinted in a supplemental set sometime in the next, say, four years.
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Neither will ever show up in standard again, but it's close to 100% that both will be reprinted in a supplemental set sometime in the next, say, four years.
So basically, now is the time to sell out of any pricey pieces of the deck.
Mindcensor? That card's fine, no?
divisionbyzorro
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You can definitely reprint Mindcensor in a Standard without fetches.
As for Bloom, apparently it won on turn 2 through a Remand at the Open? So...yeah I have to assume somethings getting banned.
As for Bloom, apparently it won on turn 2 through a Remand at the Open? So...yeah I have to assume somethings getting banned.
yeah but splinter twin
Thanks for the info! I will flesh out my Twins a bit then. I hope they won't ban Splinter Twins though, even though the deck isn't really that destructive. It's just popular and can compete with lots of things, but it's certainly not an unfair match up. I just wanted to play it because it's U/R and a style I like to play, not because everyone's playing it.
SFM coming in (something was pointed out to me about phrasing in the announcement that makes me pretty sure it is, w/ no Batterskull ban) is the only reason I think it's possible, given that they've been um....less than courageous on the banlist thus far.
Angry Grimace
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The difference is that Splinter Twin is relatively easy to interact with. There are very few decks incapable of interacting with Twin. People always analyze the banlist in terms of "well the turn 4 rule guys" but that's just a guideline. Lots of cards on the banlist don't actually violate the Turn 4 rule, but are banned for being annoying or time-wasters or oppressive or impossible to interact with normally.
I really doubt Blood Moon is getting banned. It's kind of the format's Force of Will.
"God's Beard!"
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It's pretty comical how much PV hates Amulet Bloom.
Ban Summer Bloom
Ban Blood Moon
Ban fetchlands
free Baleful Strix and Dack Fayden
unban Mental Misstep
unban Deathrite Shaman
increase sideboard to 20 cards
If Twin was even potentially on the banning block it wouldn't have been in MM2015. They have to finalize that set pretty early so they can get it to the printer and anything that's even a "maybe" near future ban wouldn't be in. Maybe for the next Pro Tour but they've got juicier targets to go after this year.
Yeah, I don't think it's public enemy number one but it's on that 'maybe' list. It's extremely unfun to play against and one of the unfair decks it's currently used to fight (Bloom) is probably going to get nuked so it isn't quite as important to keep around. It's possible it skates by until next year and they take a wait and see attitude but, despite personally needing a few copies, I'm going to avoid it until after the announcement.
charlequin
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Power-level-wise it should be fine, but to reprint it in a standard set the creative would need to work and it would have to not screw with any cards or themes they want to thrive in the five blocks the card would overlap with. I kind of doubt that'll happen when they could reprint it in a supplemental set somewhere.
Given the other cards in the cycle -- Nimbus Maze is lame, Graven Cairns is already a printed cycle, and Grove of the Burnwillows and River of Tears are both gimmicks in that their mechanic mostly works on the specific color combination they already are -- I've been waiting for a while now for them to print the full Horizon Canopy cycle. They play well and it's a pretty solid choice of dual land cycle for a block where the lands don't need to support some specific theme.
There was something about "We're going to probably see a lot of these promo SFM's with Batterskulls this spring..." I assume that's what he's talking about. Let me see if I can find it.
EDIT: Here's a Reddit post with a link.
SigmasonicX
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Officially revealed.
SigmasonicX
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There are rumblings of it seeing play in Modern Eldrazi decks.
i'm speaking purely from a limited perspective
Lands are generally shitty to open in limited? This is definitely better in-context than some past ones.
MM in modern would actually be pretty interesting and i don't think it would even be too good
given how little 1 drops the format run (hierarh , Bolt, path... Serum vision and thoughtseize too i guess). On the other hand it would be a useful card for the format, as a strong answer card to keep the stupidity in check. The 2 life cost is also more relevant when people start at 15-17 already every game. The modern Ban list in General could be way shorter and still keep the T4 rule
given how little 1 drops the format run (hierarh , Bolt, path... Serum vision and thoughtseize too i guess). On the other hand it would be a useful card for the format, as a strong answer card to keep the stupidity in check. The 2 life cost is also more relevant when people start at 15-17 already every game. The modern Ban list in General could be way shorter and still keep the T4 rule
No.
Dude, what? Legacy even went to a shit-fest because of that card.
Ya because 1 drops mean a lot more in legacy than modern lol. It's always good because every deck has critical 1 drops. MM isn't even that good in modern. I'm having trouble thinking of decks that would even want it.
MM for 2 drops would be broken as fuck in modern though.
Angry Grimace
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The ban list doesn't need to be shorter. People keep forgetting how shitty diversity actually is. It just injects a fuckload of randomness to tournaments when "SURPRISE you got 2-0'd by Grishoalbrand because lol"
I'd like to see it but "always a painland" (newbie cancer) + power level (flood insurance) means WOTC might get cold feet like they so often do
Maybe not shorter but there should be a prisoner exchange for sure. We'll give WOTC Amulet and Goryo's, they give us SFM and Jace.
Keru_Shiri
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Personally, I think a cycle of lands like Grove could work, they seem to have a need for lifegain lands like refuges every so often, and the land itself mirrors the Caves of Koilos cycle nicely. Agreed on all other points, though. I don't know if Burnwillows is setting-agnostic enough to see multiple reprints outside of supplemental stuff.
The biggest problem with Mental Misstep is that everyone runs it, pretty much any deck that has a 1-drop runs it to protect that from being hit by MM. And if they don't have any they run it to hit someone else's 1-drop. WotC doesn't like seeing cards show up in every deck and that is where MM shows up, any deck that cares about any 1-drop at all.
Keru_Shiri
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Also, thank you for posting this, I love stuff like this.
The quality of 1 drops in modern is pretty low. Most of the good ones are banned unlike legacy where they have all those 1 drops in addition to the broken pre-8th ones like Entomb and Reanimate.
You wouldn't run MM to hit or protect Noble Hierarchs and Thoughtseizes. You would to hit and protect Tops and Entombs.
If it isn't going to be run to hit anything modern it doesn't matter if it is banned or not in modern. Pretty sure it would be run because there are 1-drops and people will want to hit them and then people will 'splash' MM to hit MM.
If your talking about Legacy they banned it because every deck was running it to protect itself from it or to hit an opponent with it. They don't want to see burn be able to counter cards like Entomb without having to splash and maybe penalize itself.
The card can go in any deck and becomes a staple to every deck and WotC doesn't like that. It will never make it off the banned list because of this until WotC just says fuck it to Legacy and unbans everything except Ante cards and Chaos Orb.
The "MM to hit MM" is basically a meme at this point. They do that in formats that contain 1 drops worth hitting and protecting which wouldn't be modern lol. I know for sure I wouldn't play it in Affinity. And when these discussions came up in the past I said then I wouldn't run it in Scapeshift, Jund, or GW Hatebears either, all which I've had a good amount of experience with.
Yes, I know why they banned it in legacy and even said that in the post you quoted. I 100% agree with the ban in legacy and never said anything to suggest otherwise.
Angry Grimace
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The Top 5 most played spells in Modern are, in order, Lightning Bolt, Path to Exile, Serum Vision, Inquisition of Kozilek and Thoughtseize.
There's a theme there.
"God's Beard!"
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Classc, just short of a Brain Freeze kill and they have one card left in their library.
Clearly not a format defined by 1cc spells though.
Obviously random people on the internet know better than R&D.
I guess I just don't get the argument your going for in it coming off the ban list.
If you really think it won't be splashed by off color decks much than what is wrong with the conditional counters that are already legal in Modern? We've seen what happens in a non-rotating format where turn one is important, which it is in Modern to most decks but you really think the outcome would be different there?
You're right that it probably wouldn't get quite as nasty as it did in legacy, but it would still probably hit a good portion of the decks in Modern and probably most in the sideboard.
Personally I would like for them to unban it just so I could off load some of the playsets I have for a few extra dollars.
If you really think it won't be splashed by off color decks much than what is wrong with the conditional counters that are already legal in Modern? We've seen what happens in a non-rotating format where turn one is important, which it is in Modern to most decks but you really think the outcome would be different there?
You're right that it probably wouldn't get quite as nasty as it did in legacy, but it would still probably hit a good portion of the decks in Modern and probably most in the sideboard.
Personally I would like for them to unban it just so I could off load some of the playsets I have for a few extra dollars.
People max out on the few 1CC spells worth playing in modern? Few decks see these cards as a reason to run MM. Tron, Scapeshift, Affinity, Burn, Bloom, GBx variants, and Grixis control really don't care about many or any of these cards and that's just off the top of my head. Decks like Storm and Living End wouldn't run it for obvious reasons too.
My argument is that it shouldn't be banned, not that I think they'll ever unban it. It was just printed at an unfortunate time. Like if MM was printed now I guarantee it wouldn't be banned in modern.
I just don't see T1 being all that important in modern. Affinity doesn't run 1 drops worth caring about. Paying 2 life to MM a Guide, Swiftspear, or Nacatl isn't really some amazing play. Can't hit Path or Bolt in any meaningful way T1. Amulet should be banned so I doubt the idea of Amulet getting countered will cause outrage. If I had MM in my hand I'd likely fire it at any 1 drop they played since it's not like they'll follow it up next turn with a Top or Entomb to punish me. There are powerful cards from fringe decks to hit but among the most popular decks MM is a pretty unexciting card.
I'd love for them to unban it too so I could take Affinity a crush people jamming a playset of a suboptimal card in their deck.
It's not broken enough to require being banned from the format of modern is my reason. I said that about 5 times LOL. How about you list me reasons, if it were printed today, that it should be banned.
Some people might want it but it's nowhere in the same ballpark as "MM will be run to counter other MMs that target my MM" that people keep spouting. The type of card I could see being a 1-2 of in a few decks.
Shuggananas
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Look decent, but the BG is way too expensive
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