Infinite Stars
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Not going to lie, kind of happy Jaddi offshoot is leaving the main board for GR Ramp. It means my White Weenies can do their work(I lost hard to GR a few months ago and I'm salty as I didn't know the deck).
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Magic: the Gathering - Oath o/t Gatewatch |OT| Look again, the mana is now diamonds!
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What else are people pre-ordering? Any floor-ish targets that might have room to grow?
Been brewing a standard equipment deck. It's aaaaalmost there I think, just needs some oomph maybe from SoI.
Still running by all the permutations, but I'm feeling maybe Jeskai colors are the best bet, or just boros.
Deck: Hero's Relics
//Main
4 Relic Seeker
4 Hangarback Walker
4 Kytheon, Hero of Akros
4 Zurgo Bellstriker
2 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
4 Renowned Weaponsmith
4 Hero's Blade
4 Ride Down
4 Exquisite Firecraft
4 Pyromancer's Goggles
4 Battlefield Forge
4 Flooded Strand
2 Island
4 Mountain
4 Plains
4 Shivan Reef
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I'm actually surprised how many weenie legendaries there are atm, which means Hero's Blade can get out and get going quickly. Also I feel like weaponsmith can help cast equips + pyromancer's goggles for burn finishers. You can turn 3 a goggles with this setup.
Still running by all the permutations, but I'm feeling maybe Jeskai colors are the best bet, or just boros.
Deck: Hero's Relics
//Main
4 Relic Seeker
4 Hangarback Walker
4 Kytheon, Hero of Akros
4 Zurgo Bellstriker
2 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
4 Renowned Weaponsmith
4 Hero's Blade
4 Ride Down
4 Exquisite Firecraft
4 Pyromancer's Goggles
4 Battlefield Forge
4 Flooded Strand
2 Island
4 Mountain
4 Plains
4 Shivan Reef
Display deck statisticsI'm actually surprised how many weenie legendaries there are atm, which means Hero's Blade can get out and get going quickly. Also I feel like weaponsmith can help cast equips + pyromancer's goggles for burn finishers. You can turn 3 a goggles with this setup.
I know it's a buy a box promo, but Goblin Dark-Dwellers seems super good for $2...
"God's Beard!"
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Worldbreaker is insane.The fact that it triggers Sanctum is enough to make it better than the Dragonlord in my mind.
Yeah, this doesn't shock me.
Like, I can't reiterate enough how cheap the rest of the deck is - everyone has most of the pieces already.
Wasn't Rabblemaster the BaB promo too? Wouldn't be a bad one to get out ahead of.
Yeh but core sets have a higher upside to sleepers than block products, but this will be a short lived block before SoI drops so who knows. I'm also skeptical about running playsets of the goblin compared to rabblemaster, but $2 is a cheap buy in for a potentially crazy card.
blindrocket
Member
I bought them for myself whenever Bitterblossom was unbanned.
Also I can't remember if it was mentioned but Phyrexian Altar is $36 now.
SigmasonicX
Member
There is a trap there, which actually is part of the reason why you draft them instead of taking them from land stations (with the main reason being distribution logistics).
Shadows over Innistrad comes out on April 8, so previews will be during the second half of March.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
I bought them for myself whenever Bitterblossom was unbanned.
Also I can't remember if it was mentioned but Phyrexian Altar is $36 now.
Where is that played that's causing this spike? I can always use more of these for EDH. Wondering if I should grab another before they are out of my grasp.
blindrocket
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God's Beard!";191872382][URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/40fvcm/weekly_trading_thread_for_january_11_2016_trade/cyu1vjv said:
I'm interested in these...
1x Sorin, Solemn Visitor
2x Chord of Calling (M15, ENG)
?x Simian Spirit Guide
Just bought a heavily played Phyrexian Altar for my Marchesa EDH deck because it was relatively cheap. Didn't even know that existed.
All true. I figure small set + high upside means it will at least leave $2 in the dust.
All true. I figure small set + high upside means it will at least leave $2 in the dust.
blindrocket
Member
I think just EDH. lulz
I run it in my Prossh deck. Yes, it can be an infinite combo.
Started playing "trash vintage" with a few friends and it's hilarious.
Only cards rated <=2.0 on gatherer (and basic lands) are legal. We considered adding guildgates to the format, but decided to keep it simple. Card pool is kept in place too, since the rating system on gatherer doesn't work.
Decks that have performed well so far:
Psionic Entity "Combo":
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(Clog the board up with defensive creatures like Monastery Flock, clear the board with pingers, eventually win with pinging or a large flier)
Gruul Meteor Storm:
(Efficient green creatures, reach with Geist Trapper and Tuknir, and red burn. Shock, Inferno Trap, and Torrent of Stone are all in here for some reason. Eventually closes out games by discarding lands to Meteor Storm.)
Spineless Thugs:
(It's just terrible mono black aggro. Zombie Cutthroat is basically tarmogoyf, Andradite Leech and Ebon Drake are the MVPs.)
This format is way more fun than it has any right to be. Here's a link to the legal cards:
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&rating=+>[0]+<=[2]
Only cards rated <=2.0 on gatherer (and basic lands) are legal. We considered adding guildgates to the format, but decided to keep it simple. Card pool is kept in place too, since the rating system on gatherer doesn't work.
Decks that have performed well so far:
Psionic Entity "Combo":
(Clog the board up with defensive creatures like Monastery Flock, clear the board with pingers, eventually win with pinging or a large flier)
Gruul Meteor Storm:
(Efficient green creatures, reach with Geist Trapper and Tuknir, and red burn. Shock, Inferno Trap, and Torrent of Stone are all in here for some reason. Eventually closes out games by discarding lands to Meteor Storm.)
Spineless Thugs:
(It's just terrible mono black aggro. Zombie Cutthroat is basically tarmogoyf, Andradite Leech and Ebon Drake are the MVPs.)
This format is way more fun than it has any right to be. Here's a link to the legal cards:
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&rating=+>[0]+<=[2]
You're the guy who created Tiny Leaders and Magic 93/94, aren't you?
shrapnelmagnet
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Feels like the community at large is just making a run at everything that moves right now. I was thinking about Sun Droplet for this idiotic casual deck I'm building and went to go check around. Basically sold out on all the usual suspects that I use. I know it's a sideboard card in some decks, but still.
SigmasonicX
Member
The format's been around for years, though under a different name I can't recall (Gatherer-Horrible?).
charlequin
Banned
My point is that having a card show up at a terrible price in the market is only half the battle; you also have to get people to actually buy it. If you already have a big supply of a card, sure, mark it up and see who you can get to bite; but if you have to buy out other stores to get it to spike, you lose money if you wind up marking all your inventory down again. It's just not worth it for random trash cards that probably won't stick anywhere.
I don't think this is actually a reason they've cited for leaving anything people care about out of one of those sets. Not being able to print cards in Standard is a real (albeit annoying) issue, but they have a lot of flexibility on any one card in a set that only ever plays by itself.
I mean, the actual job of these people is to create the worlds and characters that fill up the cards, look sexy on the packaging, and get licensed out to the subsidiary merchandise, all of which they're honestly quite good at. The short stories are primarily for an audience that doesn't actually mind if they're poorly written and just there to support the storyline that most players are getting directly from the cards or other materials.
This is a pretty close to exact blunt translation of what WotC says about these sets when they say that their purpose is to "increase supply."
Close, Gatherer-Terrible. Shawn Main came up with it.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";191933417]Worldbreaker is insane.The fact that it triggers Sanctum is enough to make it better than the Dragonlord in my mind.[/QUOTE]
When is Worldbreaker insane tho? It doesn't profitably block D-Atarka, it takes a land just to get it back at hand when you are trying to reserve as much lands to get to Ulamog as possible, it can't answer a bunch of creatures on the board, it has no evasions.
Vs mirror. Best case scenario is WB hits one of the splash colors. That really only hits D-Atarka which most decks runs only 2 mb anyways. If I get D-Atarka in play before your WB, I'm feeling gravy. Take 8 (on top of the 5 from etb), or take 1 dmg through trample dmg if blocking with WB, my guy still survives, you sac a land just to get WB back and it slows you down a turn from casting Ulamog.
Vs Control. Control runs so many lands, it doesn't care to lose 1. You aren't really gonna hit any artifacts or enchantments. Sure, it may slow down dragons from attacking, but they mb Crux of Fate, which made it a weird card from them to hold onto if they have Otujai and we have Atarka on the board. Control also runs Utter Ends so you may not even get to bring WB back to hand. WB doesn't even answer PW either. At least with D-Atarka, you have the chance of finishing one off at 5 loyalty counters.
When is Worldbreaker insane tho? It doesn't profitably block D-Atarka, it takes a land just to get it back at hand when you are trying to reserve as much lands to get to Ulamog as possible, it can't answer a bunch of creatures on the board, it has no evasions.
Vs mirror. Best case scenario is WB hits one of the splash colors. That really only hits D-Atarka which most decks runs only 2 mb anyways. If I get D-Atarka in play before your WB, I'm feeling gravy. Take 8 (on top of the 5 from etb), or take 1 dmg through trample dmg if blocking with WB, my guy still survives, you sac a land just to get WB back and it slows you down a turn from casting Ulamog.
Vs Control. Control runs so many lands, it doesn't care to lose 1. You aren't really gonna hit any artifacts or enchantments. Sure, it may slow down dragons from attacking, but they mb Crux of Fate, which made it a weird card from them to hold onto if they have Otujai and we have Atarka on the board. Control also runs Utter Ends so you may not even get to bring WB back to hand. WB doesn't even answer PW either. At least with D-Atarka, you have the chance of finishing one off at 5 loyalty counters.
I dunno, I thought WotC was trying to say "our business model includes siphoning value out of the secondary market."
Somebody else likened trading Magic cards for money to day-trading stocks. I would say it's a little like that but if the stock exchange could look at whatever stock was most valuable that day and print up a bunch of it to sell itself.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
...it's because WB can infinitely resurrect itself and block Ojutai and gets its value trigger off even if it's countered. Atarka doesn't see play other than in other ramp decks so you don't have to worry about blocking it.
It's just better than Atarka because of the specific synergies. Lots of ramp decks are going to be main boarding Kozilek's Return, so playing World Breaker lets you stabilize at a reduced mana cost plus exile a land on its way in.
Shuggananas
Banned
Bit of a stupid question but I'm not sure so I'd rather ask
Say a land have "add one mana of any color to your mana pool", can this mana be colorless ? Or is that an exception ?
I'm 99% sure it can't be but I just want someone to confirm hah
Say a land have "add one mana of any color to your mana pool", can this mana be colorless ? Or is that an exception ?
I'm 99% sure it can't be but I just want someone to confirm hah
RuinerPrime
Member
Colorless is not a color, so no you can not tap this for colorless.
Seems like WotC is forbidding any kind of proxy action in any WCS store, sanctioned or non-sanctioned, that mean even testing with proxies in a shop is a no-go anymore, and Vintage and Legacy are officially killed off for good. Love this consumer friendly-company, i feel good now about not giving them a cents in the last 10 years.
ThLunarian
Member
Link with details? Seems impossible to enforce.
They put Daybreak Coronet in MM15 with 2 auras that aren't removal spells- and one of them is Splinter Twin.. They are willing to print unplayable limited cards in the rare slot
Shuggananas
Banned
Any feedback on people who tried drafting with sims ?
RB kinda-agro eldrazi seems nice imo, and UR surge control sounds cool too
Ally really seems to suck unless you pull that good rare cohort one, otherwise they don't seem interesting at all
Colorless doesn't seem to work too well by itself
I really like maw of kozilek as a common
RB kinda-agro eldrazi seems nice imo, and UR surge control sounds cool too
Ally really seems to suck unless you pull that good rare cohort one, otherwise they don't seem interesting at all
Colorless doesn't seem to work too well by itself
I really like maw of kozilek as a common
GoutPatrol
Forgotten in his cell
Bummer. Let's hope I get an Expedition one and can turn it around to buy a set.
I don't think this is really a thing. Someone posted in the WPN Facebook group a couple months ago asking about non-sanctioned proxies events and players playing with proxies in the store when they're not even in an event. Of course, Paul Hagan, stuck to the party line that Wizards is anti-proxy in all situations. I highly doubt that anything will come of it though. More than likely this this is just some stores who read that thread being overly-cautious.
The current concern was caused by a store owner getting contacted by Wizards and being reportedly told that having non-sanctioned proxy events (or possibly people playing with proxies at all) in their store would be risking their WPN status.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/445059535582036/permalink/962954593792525/
"God's Beard!"
Member
This is one of the first things I brought up when the card was spoiled. All my lists have had 4. The synergy with hedron archive is so good.
Trash vintage is actually fun tho.
They are streaming. I think that is why the hammwr came down.
Its legit, this is coming from my area.
Reading through that thread, it sounds like someone apparently called Wizards complaining about proxies. It also seems like that store has a online stream where they broadcast their events, which may have opened them up to more scrutiny both from Wizards directly and from people who are anti-proxy sending in a complaint.
This. Wotc has always officially been against proxies, but everyone uses them. If this was an actual crackdown on wpn stores that allow them, there would be a crazy uproar.
"God's Beard!"
Member
I dunno, but I'm selling my Lantern Control deck. A lot of the cards like Bridge and IoK took a big jump and I'm not entering Modern events any time soon so I figure I'd get the cash now.
The thing is worth more than 800 TCG mid, that's a lot for a pile of Codex Shredders.
Besides, I need to start playing faster decks. As fun as keeping CoCo players off 4 mana is, I get really annoyed when I can't win in time.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
They just want them to not run sanctioned proxy events that's it.
They arent doing that.
What they are doing is showing proxies on twitch. WotC is really anal about them - mentioninng proxies is what got Robles fired years back.
The events that store were running with proxies were unsanctioned vintage event.
Wizards doesn't want anyone to use proxies at all. They don't even call them proxies, they call them counterfeits. I think most people at Wizards realize that, because of the reserved list, proxies are a necessary evil for older formats in paper, but just turn a blind eye to it. But when someone contacts them directly, they have to give an outward appearance of diligence, as they did in this case.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm using the word "sanctioned" wrong - Im taking about actual organized tournaments at WPN stores. I just mean that I don't think this is some shift in official policy - they might tell you proxies are illegal for home use but I hardly think they mean "don't write 'World Breaker'" on a Plains or something to test a new version of a deck or that the black helicopters are coming for your cube. An "official" tournament in store that uses proxies was always probably illegal for WPN stores.
I think that proxies have been anathema the whole time per official policy it just comes up because some guy reported it or it otherwise came to their attention.
"God's Beard!"
Member
I've been tutoring for Kozilek a lot more than Ulamog lately. Getting 5/6 cards after you've exhausted your hand ramping just ends the game.
Discarding Kozilek's Return to counter anything is just gross.
When you play Kozilek and suddenly your hand has a 2, 3 and 4 drop it just makes you feel unbeatable.
Discarding Kozilek's Return to counter anything is just gross.
When you play Kozilek and suddenly your hand has a 2, 3 and 4 drop it just makes you feel unbeatable.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";191981648]I've been tutoring for Kozilek a lot more than Ulamog lately. Getting 5/6 cards after you've exhausted your hand ramping just ends the game.
Discarding Kozilek's Return to counter anything is just gross.
When you play Kozilek and suddenly your hand has a 2, 3 and 4 drop just makes you feel unbeatable.[/QUOTE]
I really didn't like having two Kozileks. Maybe if discard becomes an issue, but he really seemed to get stuck in my hand a lot.
Discarding Kozilek's Return to counter anything is just gross.
When you play Kozilek and suddenly your hand has a 2, 3 and 4 drop just makes you feel unbeatable.[/QUOTE]
I really didn't like having two Kozileks. Maybe if discard becomes an issue, but he really seemed to get stuck in my hand a lot.
"God's Beard!"
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Right now I'm on 4 World Breaker, 2 Ulamog, 1 Kozilek as my big Eldrazi. World Breaker just comes down so fast.
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