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Magic: the Gathering - Oath o/t Gatewatch |OT| Look again, the mana is now diamonds!
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Yeah I see it. I guess this is why they started adding "may" to these kinds of effects.
I'd sell them before monday to be safe
Good point. Was able to talk him up to 225, but it's probably best to move these now. Thanks!
Yeah, both of these seem to make it a bit more clear:
"You may cast this spell for its Quickdraw cost as though it had Flash. If you do, when it enters the battlefield you may attach it to target creature you control. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next upkeep."
"God's Beard!"
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I just edited the mechanic to base its cost on its CMC instead of a separate cost to make the wording more succinct and tweak cost of the card/equip.
It's at least T2 playable. If you never experienced BBE bullshit with B/B you have no idea how dumb it is.
I did buy a playset of boom/bust because you reminded me how much I enjoy playing with it, but getting it into the graveyard and then hitting 5 mana for dark-dwellers does seem like a bit of a stretch.
Still trying it in a mana-dork heavy list.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Yeah, aidan's wording sounds perfect tbh: "You may cast this spell for its Quickdraw cost as though it had Flash. If you do, when it enters the battlefield you may attach it to target creature you control. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next upkeep."
I think if the text is reminder text, putting keywords inside of keyword reminder texts could get ugly. That's why it's written out so it's plain to understand. You and I know what flash does, but what about the general dude that picks this card up?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's at least T2 playable. If you never experienced BBE bullshit with B/B you have no idea how dumb it is.
There's a fringe 5C Bring to Light deck that uses it also. It has several combos including Spike Feeder/Archangel, etc.
You could technically search for a Dark Dwellers with it and then search for a Bust in the GY lol
What? You should really follow current templating.
What're you looking to get for them? I don't have a set currently and I'm intrigued.
Someone tell me why i want that hedron crab or whatever its called in limited. CF posted that on fb.
Its a 0/1 for 2 mana that gives me a C on tap i think?
Why wouldnt i just play a 2 drop that has better stats. At best i drop a land on turn 3 and tap it for some 4drop that needs a C to cast?
Im clearly missing something. Maybe extra mana from a creature is always good even if its body sucks balls.
Its a 0/1 for 2 mana that gives me a C on tap i think?
Why wouldnt i just play a 2 drop that has better stats. At best i drop a land on turn 3 and tap it for some 4drop that needs a C to cast?
Im clearly missing something. Maybe extra mana from a creature is always good even if its body sucks balls.
It's a mana rock with a body attached that can chump block in a pinch. Getting ahead on mana is always a good thing. Stats aren't everything.
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Could I cast the Blade in response to the Armament trigger to get the benefit?
Nope, since armement's using an "intervening if" clause (anything with the templating of "<stuff>, if <condition>, <more stuff>") which check both before triggering and as the ability's about to resolve. Not meeting the requirement at the time armament would trigger means the ability isn't even put onto the stack in the first place, so you can't respond to it and attach your equipment.
If you had used quickdraw on your opponents turn then the armament ability would trigger, but whether it does anything or not upon resolution would depend on how you stack the abilities: If the delayed sacrifice trigger is put on top of armament's, then it'll resolve first and armament will do nothing when the intervening if clause's checked again as the armament trigger resolves.
This story was recently written, played with some cool themes, and had some solid setpieces - good stuff overall. These stories are so much better when they focus on the regular, planar folk; the major Planeswalkers are too archetypal to really explore in-depth like that and appear too often to have one-and-done focus pieces.
Which makes me really skeptical about out Gatewatch-centric future.
Donate Homeward Path to the opponent and you kill them with this card.
SigmasonicX
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Interesting! So you still get the +1/+1 counters if you played it on their turn. Very cool interaction.
I've changed the mechanic to not be as overpowered as it was.
I'm thinking something like "when Equipment is attached to CARDNAME, if it does not have a +1/+1 counter on it, put one on" would be better and easier to remember. Though I believe your original mechanic was fine.
That'd make passing equipment around all your armament creatures trigger it, which makes little sense flavor-wise, IMO.
Still, you've got to think if you want to add the restriction since it'd greatly limit cards which place +1/+1 counters, creating a feel-bad situation where the creature won't ever get its armament bonus if you put a +1/+1 counter on it through some other means before equipping it.
You could use the slightly clumsy way monsterous and renown work, such as:
Edit: Using the whole "armed" quality would also allow you to use extra bonuses such as "CARNAME has first strike as long as it's armed", but on the other hand it'd be a flavor fail if you'd be able to arm the creature and then pass the equipment to something else but still keep the armament bonuses, and fixing that would require an even longer ability explanation, probably making it not fit for using in common cards.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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okay I'm done with mtgo again, I paid like 17 dollars drafted 5 times went 3-0 once then 4 times 0-1.
The last game lost was against a straight up pile.
The last game lost was against a straight up pile.
Making it a keyword ability would probably mean he intends to spread armament to all five colors, but then again that'd be somewhat weird for non-weenie colors such as blue and black.
Then there's always the issue that making armament creatures rely too much on getting their bonus early would wreck limited if you intend to only arm the creature once, and on the other hand having the bonus happen more than once would help a bit, but I don't think it'd feel right to print at common due to how much staying power and incremental advantage it affords to the creature.
divisionbyzorro
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I've known this deck as "Lets Do the Time Warp Again," and it's been around for a while. Part the Waterveil just lets it play a win condition that plays into its theme. It's a fun deck; it's just not super good.
Giant Panda
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6 copies for $14 seemed good to me, so I went for it. It also helps that I would love to play landdestruction.dec in modern haha, so I actually have a use for 4 of them.
Yeah, if it's spread around I suppose it might be different than being just white-only.
What about triggering an extra ability if it is equipped while attacking or defending?
Imperfected
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So, if I have 4 Pyrogenesis in hand, I can cast them all for 0 mana and do 16 direct damage while only having to skip a single draw phase?
A similar (if obviously much smaller) problem exists with the counterspell. The white and green versions should be okay, though, given that multiple castings of those spells on the same turn generally have no benefit. If you want to do spells that are spammable, though, you probably want to either clarify that the skipped phases "stack" (unlikely, as it's unwieldy) or make it so that the player cannot cast them if they've already "sacrificed" the phase that would be skipped.
I don't think it's a huge problem if you have more than one color skip the same phase, or have a color omitted from the "cycle". Black has the association of being the "ritual magic" color to some degree, so maybe spontaneous casting just isn't their thing. (I could be mistaken, but isn't Flash generally less common in Black, for example?)
No. Whenever an ability tells you to skip your "next" [part of turn] it means the next one that would happen.
I suppose. I feel like with colorless, im still either realllllly in or reallly out tho. i guess 2 drops dont do much in the grand scheme and giving waste in a c deck is always good
Thx for the insight
I guess, as written, that's how Pyrogenesis would work. Which is pretty broken. But you're on to something. I think it's possible that the effects I chose for blue and red are just too powerful for this kind of effect. If I were to take another crack at this cycle, I'd probably reimagine those two specifically. I do kind of like the idea I had for making black fit. You could use it in decks that want to skip their upkeep triggers. But that seems like a lot of hoops to jump through for that as a one-time effect.
Ideally, I wish they were somehow legendary, in the sense you could only have one per deck, or maybe play just one per turn somehow. But that's a whole other idea and a whole other bucket of worms.
Just remember that even producing only colorless this should help cast the majority of the cards in your deck earlier then you would otherwise, no matter what colors (or lack thereof) you are. The only thing it doesn't help with is casting something that costs WW, or whatever.
Free spells are very, very dangerous, and often tread the fine line between being broken and nerfed so hard they don't even matter. Even if a player has to skip their next four draw phases, that won't matter if they win right then and there with sixteen damage out of nowhere.
You could compare it with Fireblast, which is really powerful but still limited in that you'd need eight mountains to play four copies of it on the same turn and is still a damn fine and pretty poerful burn spell in its own right. Even restricting the card to one-per-deck would make no sense since it'd be such a pushed card that it'd still get played due to its absurd ability to close out games randomly and with absolutely no cost at the time you cast it.
A more likely comparison would probably be a lightning bolt pact, which would be ridiculously powerful regardless of how much you'd have to pay on the later turn since it could simply win by itself on the spot, unlike all the other pacts which don't win the game by themselves as you need haste or more turns (red), mana to cast the creature you fetched (green), a burn spell aimed at you (white), a creature to hit with after clearing out a blocker (black) or a spell worth protecting (blue).
Yeah, thats right. I suppose that wasnt getting in my head enough.
I think its part of playing hearthstone so much prior to magic and getting auto mana every turn.
keeblerdrow
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It will all be explained to you at prerelease. Don't sweat it. Most places give you 50 minutes. Some will give more at the first prerelease for the weekend.
Wulfric
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Ouch, that looks straight out of an issue of MAD. The art has gotten so much better since then. This awful Ice Age video from back when I wasn't even born takes the cake though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN0zxVkTH6A
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I smiled when I heard "what I want, I take", but did WotC's marketing department seriously expect people who weren't already into the game to easily understand that she had cast a particular control magic spell (that 3U one that granted +0/+1 and cost 1U on upkeep to keep it around) or what was even going on as they recited flavor text in turn? And then there were the Lemures... god, I love it every time I remember they made a crazy mistake such as that back in the day.
Interesting! So you still get the +1/+1 counters if you played it on their turn. Very cool interaction.
I've changed the mechanic to not be as overpowered as it was.
What's the benefit of a mechanic that encourages you to move your equipment around between your creatures? It doesn't seem like it would be fun in play to have to run Bonesplitter and then pay a bunch of attention to whether each of my dudes has had a chance to borrow Bonesplitter.
How is this "permanent" version of the mechanic better than the already extant "if this creature is equipped, it gets X"? Obviously since you only need one piece of equipment to do it for all your critters it has to be comparatively weaker, so you're doing more work with more cards and tokens to get a smaller benefit.
How is that more fun?
LaserBuddha
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Yeah the guy is trying to explain to him how to win more often and he's like "I can't do that because winning is really important to me and you don't get that."
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