Familienoberhauptvogel
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Wouldn't complain about foil Oath of Nissa though.
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Magic: the Gathering - Oath o/t Gatewatch |OT| Look again, the mana is now diamonds!
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Shit rares for limited isn't exactly an Oath phenomenon. One of my friends ended up opening 7 Prism Arrays in his prerelease pools, including one pack foil and one prerelease foil.
He had three in his last pool.
Makes a lot of sense. cool.
Yeah gods beared i totally agree. Black is super impactful and this set looks to round out the linear design of bfz a bit. 2 and 1 should work out nicely.
LaserBuddha
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I've found that odd too. The pack foil should be much rarer right?
On that note, 2011 Pre-release Sun Titan >>>>> regular Sun Titan. I'm glad that version didn't become a thing for some reason so I was able to pick up a playset recently for a song. Sam with Hero of Bladehold, the alt art foil promo has better art IMO and is cheaper than the non-foil regular version.
I always look for FtV or prerelease promo prices when shopping for a card.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Prism Array is fine if you actually go converge.
At the least, they don't explicitly reference other Mythics.
Jeez. I was waiting for the drop out of the 12-15 range based on how good this set is.
Hopefully my instincts were right.
divisionbyzorro
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So I'm catching up on SCG from last weekend. I've never heard the commentators get turned on so hard by a play before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnTiefWe8_4&t=16m40s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnTiefWe8_4&t=16m40s
To be fair, it was a really sweet play.
KitSnicket
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I've been reading up about the upcoming prerelease and I'm still left with some questions.
The only other sealed tournament I've done is the BFZ prerelease.
I've read everything I can find online about 2HG, and I'm still left with some questions.
1. Can you swap out cards between games? The rules say you can't, even if it's a draw, but then they say that all of your extra cards are registered as a single sideboard, and can be accessed by cards that or effects that refer to cards "outside the game". It sounds like you have to play the whole tournament with your original decks, but you still have a sideboard that can be acccessed by some effects?
2. Normal 2HG each team is given 8 packs and the rules assume this. But for this each person gets a prerelease pack of 6 packs. Can you still combine your cards, or does each player have to use their own release pack? If you combine, do you take home your deck, or the cards you opened?
Thank you in advance for any help.
The only other sealed tournament I've done is the BFZ prerelease.
I've read everything I can find online about 2HG, and I'm still left with some questions.
1. Can you swap out cards between games? The rules say you can't, even if it's a draw, but then they say that all of your extra cards are registered as a single sideboard, and can be accessed by cards that or effects that refer to cards "outside the game". It sounds like you have to play the whole tournament with your original decks, but you still have a sideboard that can be acccessed by some effects?
2. Normal 2HG each team is given 8 packs and the rules assume this. But for this each person gets a prerelease pack of 6 packs. Can you still combine your cards, or does each player have to use their own release pack? If you combine, do you take home your deck, or the cards you opened?
Thank you in advance for any help.
"God's Beard!"
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Almost as sweet as Yuuki Ichikawa destroying Jackson Cunningham with a Golgari Charm.
divisionbyzorro
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";192203567]Almost as sweet as Yuuki Ichikawa destroying Jackson Cunningham with a Golgari Charm.[/QUOTE]
Cunningham won that match though. I believe he then went on to lose to flying sheep, if my memory serves correctly.
Cunningham won that match though. I believe he then went on to lose to flying sheep, if my memory serves correctly.
I killed a guy at the invitational by dazing my own SDT in order to get Watery Grave in my hand for the -2 life to Death's Shadow.
"God's Beard!"
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The greatest travesty in competitive Magic.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
That's why that's my deck. Also, shaddup kirbs
You can change between matches because prereleases have a rule where you don't have to keep your deck the same between matches. That just makes it easier for everyone, especially since opponents helping each other out and people reevaluating decks between matches is a pretty common occurrence at Prerelease.
You can use all the cards from both boxes and mix em up. See the 2HG section here. Who gets what cards after the tournament is up to you and your teammate. If they're a friend just work it out, if you get paired up with someone at the store probably best to agree that the rares you open are yours.
Idk about 2hg but normally you have to start each match with starting list then you can sideboard between games with entire pool
They say you can swap ut whole colors etc but to do all that and make sure deck still works and figure out mana base is a lot of work to have to switch back after unless you could get it figured out and written down in deck building time
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";192203567]Almost as sweet as Yuuki Ichikawa destroying Jackson Cunningham with a Golgari Charm.[/QUOTE]
An infect player doing dumb shit isn't even in the same realm as that play. That's usually the difference between the good players and me though, I don't actually see the obscure lines of play, but I try them anyways and do dumb shit like Inquisition myself.
An infect player doing dumb shit isn't even in the same realm as that play. That's usually the difference between the good players and me though, I don't actually see the obscure lines of play, but I try them anyways and do dumb shit like Inquisition myself.
CeruleanSilver
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Maybe so, but damn I still feel sorry for that guy. 7 Prism Arrays is always a Do Not Want situation. If that were me, I'd be so disappointed with my pool.
I've mentioned it before and Grimace touched a bit on it. It doesn't just chumps. It trades and then some. If you hit a land, sweet I get to ramp. Hit another creature at 3cmc or less? Sweet, free creature. Anything else? Sweet, free draw.
I expect ramp decks to now run 4 Warping Wails. What are most of the spells that helps you ramp in mirrors? Sorcery spells. You are gonna counter each other's acceleration quite a bit. Thought-Knot and Matter Reshaper don't care. They don't care at all! So it's something proactive to do. Not only that, mirrors won't really have answers for Thought-Knots. I can take away your World Breakers if that's the only threat or whatever else necessary.
The thing about WB is it destroys your own resources just as much as it does the opponents. Oblivion Sower can get you more resources and is cheaper to cast. D-Atarka I've already reasoned why I think it's better. Again, I'm just not sold on WB and think it loses the mirror. Guess we'll agree to disagree.
I like some if the R/U prowess aggro decks out there. Reminds me of the W/U heroic deck that I used to run I'm Theros.
KitSnicket
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2HG is different though, because you only play one game and not 2 out of three. That was part of my confusion.
KitSnicket
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This was very helpful. I appreciate your time.
KitSnicket
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I agree that it is always a good idea to decide ahead of time, even with friends. Although if I open an expedition I probably wouldn't play with it. Even if it added some percentage points to our chances, it wouldn't be worth the stress or the risk.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
You could just proxy it.
On the contrary I'd decide to split for less feel bads, I guess that makes you an optimist and and me a pessimist.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's also legal to get advice/help on deckbuilding at prerelease. If you do bad in a match, just ask the judge to help you fix your deck.
That's fine too. Just better to agree either way before one person has a 100+ dollar card in their hand.
"God's Beard!"
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I missed top 8 at a PPTQ because I didn't thoughtseize myself to put Hornet Queen in the graveyard. That was the last tournament I entered without a full night's sleep.
how about this
Arm X (If this creature isn’t armed, you may attach target equipment you control to it, then put a +1/+1 counter on it and it becomes armed.)
One-time instant speed equips. Creatures become armed so they're relevant to other cards looking at armed creatures.
Then I can make stuff like
When CARDNAME becomes armed, sacrifice an equipment attached to it. If you do, it deals damage equal to that equipment's CMC to target creature or player.
Arm X (If this creature isn’t armed, you may attach target equipment you control to it, then put a +1/+1 counter on it and it becomes armed.)
One-time instant speed equips. Creatures become armed so they're relevant to other cards looking at armed creatures.
Then I can make stuff like
When CARDNAME becomes armed, sacrifice an equipment attached to it. If you do, it deals damage equal to that equipment's CMC to target creature or player.
blindrocket
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He annoys the piss out of me.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
so basically renowned with equipment, looks good, except armament sounded nicer. How does it work with quickdraw though?
How does it work in general though, It sounds like an activated ability that circumvents equipping costs but it can also equip and then arm itself with its equipment at instant speed?
Quickdraw is the way you get equipment onto creatures without arm. Seems like a good fit to me.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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but then you need to specify Arm to operate at sorcery speed and Arm also limits the design space you have for equipments since any arm creature can just circumvent the equipment costs.
Oh man this is hilarious
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I like this better but I'd lose the +1/+1 counter. It's interesting enough just being a one-time instant speed equip, and you can always have "as long as its armed" clauses on cards.
New question.
Mulligan. Im used to hearthstone which is very different so i havent mastered it in magic.
Im fine with going down to 6. But its when i hit 6 and only hit say 2 land and a 3 drop at best early game, im afraid to go down to 5 cards bc i feel like im losing way too much card advantage going into midgame.
Are you guys afraid to go to 5? My buddy says i might as well bc im going to lose without a good early game anyways.
As far as your guys developing a magic mechanic goes, remember the simpler the better. hell look how simple these oath ones are.
Mulligan. Im used to hearthstone which is very different so i havent mastered it in magic.
Im fine with going down to 6. But its when i hit 6 and only hit say 2 land and a 3 drop at best early game, im afraid to go down to 5 cards bc i feel like im losing way too much card advantage going into midgame.
Are you guys afraid to go to 5? My buddy says i might as well bc im going to lose without a good early game anyways.
As far as your guys developing a magic mechanic goes, remember the simpler the better. hell look how simple these oath ones are.
divisionbyzorro
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He needs his right to speak on WotCs behalf revoked.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
In general you can get away with fairly awful hands in sealed. 2 lands and a 3 drop are fine unless it's game 2 and you know your opponents deck to be very fast imo. Heck I just had a limited game were the first card played between both of us was Felidar sovereign, a 6 drop. Followed by a second a turn later, both mine.
All this talk reminds me of one of my favourite cards still. It enables pretty stupid stuff.
SigmasonicX
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The new scry rules takes a bit of the bite out of mulligans. Once you choose to keep your hand, if you have less than 7 cards, then you can scry 1. This makes somewhat risky hands a bit better to keep, but if your deck is focused on the early game, then it's better to go down to 5 than to not have a turn 1 play and hope you get a two-cost creature next turn.
Theory is the werewolf legend will also flip to a PW
Sealed is generally slower and decks tend to be less cohesive. Because of that, it's more likely that someone will splash and stretch their manabase to play a bomb and/or removla spell. Fixing tends to be more important in sealed than draft.typically when I'm building a sealed pool, I separate out all my fixing and removal to see which colors are the strongest and which I can potentially splash for; then i look at the creature base to see which of the initial colors I was looking at are viable.
In prerelease 2HG events you still share cards with your partner; you just have more packs between the two of you, so the decks will generally be better overall. You can't sideboard during a single round (that is, if you draw, you can't sideboard before you start the next game), but you can modify your decks between rounds. So, if you find that card X isn't as good as you first thought, you can take it out of your deck after round 1, but before you start your round 2 match.
In limited, at Regular REL (which prerelease and FNM are), you can edit your deck however you like both between games and rounds. You don't need to reset your deck at all if you don't want to.
How do I keep track of creatures who are armed then? arm counters?
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Unless there's nothing else planned for your set to put +1/+1 counters on stuff you'll have to track it separately anyway.
Like renowned it wasn't the counter that made them renowned.
SigmasonicX
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I still think it's better to stick to the first version of armament (+1/+1 counter on upkeep) or making it an ability word for "if this creature is equipped", instead of going into the "only do this once" territory.
what happen?
now i know why the set pisses me off. they all look the same!
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