Infinite Stars
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Honestly, GSZ would be "fine" for Modern if they axed Dryad Arbor, which I'd accept as a loss. It doesn't help that Arbor looks just like a fucking forest in half of the printings
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Honestly, GSZ would be "fine" for Modern if they axed Dryad Arbor, which I'd accept as a loss. It doesn't help that Arbor looks just like a fucking forest in half of the printings
Well it's a lot more conditional to have the 2 mana 6/7 and the 1 mana 7/7. With SFM it's just play and get, at any point in the game. That doesn't sound fun at all.
Everything else you said I agree with completely
Wulfric
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Worth just posted these on Facebook. I was curious, if they have the actual Magic back, are these tournament legal? The cards aren't altered and have their regular artwork. I can see the BoP and Duress going for a pretty penny at least. Shadowmage Infiltrator looks good too.
ajf009, is that BoA in your avatar?
ajf009, is that BoA in your avatar?
While cool, as unreleased proof of concepts, I can't see any situation where these would be tournament legal.
Unfortunately not tournament legal - they also all have blank backs if they're anything like the test prints I've seen.
Really want that Squirrel Nest and Wild Mongrel....
charlequin
Banned
Holy shit one person has that many in one place?
I would kill for high res photos or scans of those.
EDIT: Missed a word. Once again time to #BlameWorth
I would kill for high res photos or scans of those.
EDIT: Missed a word. Once again time to #BlameWorth
Wulfric
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When you work at WotC for as long as Worth had, I'm sure you accumulate more than a few curiosities.
Actually, I'm surprised he personally owns these test prints. I figured Wizards would want to keep them in storage.
Personally, I would love to own the prototype Wrath of God.
Nope, the alter moved the CMC so it's not tournament legal
charlequin
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When you work at WotC for as long as Worth had, I'm sure you accumulate more than a few curiosities.
Yeah I missed who it was the first time 'round, I was surprised a private collector could get them all in one place. Sadly probably less likely to get a good high res pic from him.
Wulfric
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As a group, I'd say like $3000? I'm out of touch with the collector's market, so I'm just guessing.
Also, the painting of Ajani's Aid is at $4494 right now. Imagine how much it would be if it were a playable card! >_<
SigmasonicX
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Really interesting interview with Richard Garfield. A huge chunk of it addresses his views on F2P games and whales, bringing up Magic at some points, but the last section focuses on Magic. Some details include:
* In the early days, he gave artists as much freedom as possible, often only giving them the card name. He got a kick out of Stream of Life depicting a literal stream. He regrets the shift toward a more homogenous art style, but acknowledges he would have made the same choice himself for the sake of the product.
* After Magic first succeeded, everyone at Wizards went off to make their own stuff, and there was even a Wizards theater group. Richard considers this to have been a huge waste of money, even if he also ran off to make more games. The focus of the company needed to be on Magic.
* He feels it's very difficult to tell a linear story in any game, including a Final Fantasy. Antiquities experimented with having you as an archeologist digging up bits and pieces of history, and he regrets that Magic didn't go with this more.
* New World Order is the same as how things were designed in the old days. Rares were spices, and everything else was simple and broad.
* If he had his way, far more of each set would be reprints. He has a distaste for Grizzly Bears with a narrow ability tacked on just for the sake of being different. The cards that are new will do a ton to change how the reprints act in that environment. Even a simple rarity shift for the reprint does a lot.
* His hope is for Magic this be an evergreen game, where he can come back in 10 years and easily pick it up, with it being familiar but still exploring new spaces.
* He has trepidations about the Magic movie.
* In the early days, he gave artists as much freedom as possible, often only giving them the card name. He got a kick out of Stream of Life depicting a literal stream. He regrets the shift toward a more homogenous art style, but acknowledges he would have made the same choice himself for the sake of the product.
* After Magic first succeeded, everyone at Wizards went off to make their own stuff, and there was even a Wizards theater group. Richard considers this to have been a huge waste of money, even if he also ran off to make more games. The focus of the company needed to be on Magic.
* He feels it's very difficult to tell a linear story in any game, including a Final Fantasy. Antiquities experimented with having you as an archeologist digging up bits and pieces of history, and he regrets that Magic didn't go with this more.
* New World Order is the same as how things were designed in the old days. Rares were spices, and everything else was simple and broad.
* If he had his way, far more of each set would be reprints. He has a distaste for Grizzly Bears with a narrow ability tacked on just for the sake of being different. The cards that are new will do a ton to change how the reprints act in that environment. Even a simple rarity shift for the reprint does a lot.
* His hope is for Magic this be an evergreen game, where he can come back in 10 years and easily pick it up, with it being familiar but still exploring new spaces.
* He has trepidations about the Magic movie.
charlequin
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This read much more as a historical preference than a current one to me. It's interesting that at one point Ice Age was 50% reprints, but it makes sense contextually -- they didn't have a core set concept at that point, and so every card that wasn't reprinted essentially went away. Once they had cores to handle that aspect, it freed them up to do more new cards in expansions.
(This does tie nicely into our discussion of the problem with Standard, actually. I think for a ton of reasons Core Sets are an idea of the past and it wouldn't make a bit of sense to try to bring them back, but it does seem like maybe there was an element of consistency that's been lost a little bit without them.)
SigmasonicX
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But Temur Tower tho
Infinite Stars
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Dynavolt Tower can go semi-infinite in Modern, so obviously it can beat Copy-Cat.
New Spellskite art in the Modern Cube
Upcoming promo?
That would've been such a better GP Promo than Progenitus.
Knew they wouldn't ban the combo lol. Between having a couple shitty months of magic and potentially shaking consumer confidence they're going to go with the one that people will forget by the end of the year. They should have just delayed the last ban or emergency banned guardian with the other 3 cards.
Went up to GP NJ to play in some modern side events (and to upgrade some versions of my cards) since I was anxious to play my newly finished grixis control list. Despite only 1300 or so players in the GP, a lot of people still show up for side events and trading. Here is CB's solution to a problem they created by using a tiny venue:
They gave us like 20 prize tickets after we waited for 45 minutes for them to bring dozens of more chairs to jam in there but still. Shouldn't be so close that you can't even lay out your own playmat without overlapping others. Imagine how bad this would be if the standard format wasn't garbage and got like ~2000 players.
Lmao, I still can't believe they went with Progenitus. Who signed off on that. Got 2 this past weekend with my side event entries and sold both for $2.50 each to a vendor. I imagine vendors will be buying them for $1 by the end of the year.
Went up to GP NJ to play in some modern side events (and to upgrade some versions of my cards
) since I was anxious to play my newly finished grixis control list. Despite only 1300 or so players in the GP, a lot of people still show up for side events and trading. Here is CB's solution to a problem they created by using a tiny venue:
They gave us like 20 prize tickets after we waited for 45 minutes for them to bring dozens of more chairs to jam in there but still. Shouldn't be so close that you can't even lay out your own playmat without overlapping others. Imagine how bad this would be if the standard format wasn't garbage and got like ~2000 players.
Lmao, I still can't believe they went with Progenitus. Who signed off on that. Got 2 this past weekend with my side event entries and sold both for $2.50 each to a vendor. I imagine vendors will be buying them for $1 by the end of the year.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Spellskite sees a lot less play in Modern than it used it, actually.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm willing to bet that it sees more play than Progenitus across all formats
well duhhhh lol
charlequin
Banned
New Spellskite art in the Modern Cube
Upcoming promo?
Could be, although there are a lot more cards lately that have MTGO-exclusive art even when they could theoretically be reprinted, e.g. there's a promo Kozilek with the (far superior) concept art.
That's a real 'come at me bro' moment
charlequin
Banned
I like that you can see his underarm eyeballs.
I don't have a joke for that. That's really sweet.
Infinite Stars
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Did we ever get an explanation for why Kozilek is doing "Counterspell" in his Oath Art? I mean, I know it's on his card, but it's just weird to me.
TheBlackMarvel
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That is awesome art. The details are really nice.
GoutPatrol
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FTV Arbor is the best looking magic card and this post makes me want to fight you.
I personally hate the whole new-card-for-flavor-reasons idea that the creative team has. This is the whole Atog vs. Gremlin problems all over again. How many 1U 2/1s do we need? Or 2W 2/2 fliers?
In a large set, at most the amount of reprints you have is 20 right now, not including functional reprints. You could probably double that to around 15% of any set being a reprint with new art.
charlequin
Banned
We heard somewhere that they swapped the art for the card (most likely from Void Shatter) but not much more than that.
It was like actively irresponsible to print tho. It's basically cheating to even play with it.
why does it matter tho
Judge Foils
Awesome, awesome art on the Avacyn.
I guess we never got the Grindstone formally revealed? Curious what's gonna happen with that, it's been a long time (2011's Entomb) since they printed up a Judge foil that didn't make it out to packs. Wonder if this was a planning error that ran afoul of the Inventions printing.
Judge Command Beacon settled at about $20 so that's what I would guess for this too.
TheBlackMarvel
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Crap, I'm gonna need that Avacyn.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I mean, I guess she looks less like she's in bondage gear in the new art, but she still has those thigh-high boots.
Then again, it's completely in flavor for Sorin to have created an angel in form-fitting leather bondage gear.
Then again, it's completely in flavor for Sorin to have created an angel in form-fitting leather bondage gear.
Infinite Stars
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Yup.
Sorin, for as much a "good" guy he is, is a perpetual 13 year old.
"It's not a phase, Dad, Avacyn is legitimately my true love"
"Then why is she dressed up in Bondage Gear 24/7?"
"You wouldn't understand, Dad, it's part of her character"
"Fine, just don't come crying to me when you end up killing her because of your Ex"
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Did they ever explain what happened to Edgar Markov?
FreedomFrisbee
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I think Sorin killed him?
charlequin
Banned
Nope, I was really surprised he didn't show up. Throw him on the pile with the white-black angel for "really obvious story plants set up for Innistrad 3" I guess?
TheBlackMarvel
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Pretty sure he's still alive. Are any of the originals dead?
charlequin
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He was definitely alive as of the end of ISD block. I think we can safely dismiss any suggestion that he was killed offscreen by Nahiri and this was somehow never acknowledged even tacitly in the cards or stories.
Infinite Stars
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Obvious plot points for Innistrad 3 seem to be pointing towards some sort of Underworld/Clive Barker's "Monsters are persecuted by Humans". Sigarda is going to end up making an ultra-militaristic Human Church because honestly, they've had way too much of Monsters. Since Innistrad, they've been on the verge of annihilation twice now, and every Avacyian character is now either military or Geists working with the military.
We'll have Edgar trying to defend Vampires/Werewolves, Thalia/Odric leading an assault on the Monsters, and Sigarda/her sister trying to foster peace between both groups.
I'd still be on the Human side, because since OG Innistrad they've been nearly all killed twice, had their Archangel turn on them(and then die), their head of state/religion die, come back as a zombie, his replacement be infiltrated by cultists, and Geists of the founders of the Church get to the point of "This shit is fucked" to actually possess/form a union with humans.
TheBlackMarvel
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Given what they've told and shown us about Innistrad so far, humanity is fucked lol. If they were gonna do the whole "humanity persecutes the monsters" thing, SOI was the place to do it.
TheBlackMarvel
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Sorin's grandfather and one of, if not the, first vampires on Innistrad.
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