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Magic: the Gathering |OT10| Aether Revolt - That shit that make your Soul Burn slow
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
he's also on cryptic command
Big Icarus
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So, can we expect these to be the first series of Masterpiece cards that will generally be worth less than the previously printed versions of these cards?
These borders are just a fundamental failure of like every graphic design principle ever, ugh.
So far, outside of cycling coming back; every other piece of information or card spoilers have just made me less interested in this forthcoming set. I'm really cynical that this isn't going to be another Born of the Gods in terms of enjoyable design, and constructed impact.
These borders are just a fundamental failure of like every graphic design principle ever, ugh.
So far, outside of cycling coming back; every other piece of information or card spoilers have just made me less interested in this forthcoming set. I'm really cynical that this isn't going to be another Born of the Gods in terms of enjoyable design, and constructed impact.
shrapnelmagnet
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I'm really curious about how this impacts prices. Like, I normally don't even want Foils, but these have to be the least desirable of all Foils ever, right? Maybe the FTV ones are still worse in their own special way? In some cases, I wouldn't surprised in the Invocation is worth less than the pack non-Foil.
Anyway, my pure Sorcery prediction was wrong. Alas. I would certainly never have guessed this.
To be honest, I can't fucking wait for all the podcasts to weigh in on this shit over the next couple weeks. I love it when something absurd happens and MtG usually delivers
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lol nice
Guess we'll find out soon, either way
ThLunarian
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I want full playsets of all of these cards.
Ten years from now, if Magic is still around, I think they'll be worth more than any other Masterpieces thus far
Ten years from now, if Magic is still around, I think they'll be worth more than any other Masterpieces thus far
I Thought I made a mistake for a second there, until I double checked the reddit post...
Goes to show how bad that font is.
I know I'm in the minority, but I really like these cards.
Their names are clearly intentionally difficult to read, and I actually love that about them. I love the center-aligned text and the vertical P/T. The only part I'm iffy on are the colored bars on the left and right of the card art (the lower color bands look fine) but I love the rest of the border.
Their names are clearly intentionally difficult to read, and I actually love that about them. I love the center-aligned text and the vertical P/T. The only part I'm iffy on are the colored bars on the left and right of the card art (the lower color bands look fine) but I love the rest of the border.
Infinite Stars
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Like, I get the idea behind them, but why the fuck do they look so fucking ugly? They're worst then the Expeditions, because even though those all look the same from a distance at least they convey the point. These are just.. why.
Also, Foot Worship is not replacing my Worship's, that for certain. I'm not into that fetish.
I think we need an OT joke about these because how did these get past Editting?
Also, Foot Worship is not replacing my Worship's, that for certain. I'm not into that fetish.
I think we need an OT joke about these because how did these get past Editting?
Also, while we're ranting on WotC's art/design, I hate how absolutely on the nose some of their art direction is. Some of those MM art descriptions just leave absolutely no room for individual artistic expression, serum visions in particular, and I legitimately thought that vindicate was the maelstrom pulse spoiler until double checking- at which point I realized we're just going to get the exact Gods representing the colors of the cards casting some generic emission of power in half of these arts. It's no surprise that Mind Twist and WoG are the strongest pieces thus far, as they're complete deviations from this theme. I guess super boring and precise art descriptions are in line with the unashamedly market research direction the rest of the game has taken.
At least the masterpiece frames, for all their flaws, show some willingness to let their creatives be... well... creative.
At least the masterpiece frames, for all their flaws, show some willingness to let their creatives be... well... creative.
Infinite Stars
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Which is a damn shame, because I still don't see how they'll make Bolas see play in Standard unless they push Shards. Tamiyo's arguably the reason to run Bant right now and she sees 0 play. I don't see how you make Bolas, who is going to be an 8 Drop likely in a control deck see play in a format where Control is dead like right now.
Remembrance
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Vindicate looks like such a...
On a more positive art note, GP Vegas just got even more awesome:
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...exhibition-at-gp-las-vegas-2017?ref=user_menu
Mike Linneman, the fantastic art columnist over at Gatheringmagic, is putting together the biggest magic art exhibition to line up with GP Vegas. I'm seriously considering jumping in for that dinner option in the kickstarter.
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...exhibition-at-gp-las-vegas-2017?ref=user_menu
Mike Linneman, the fantastic art columnist over at Gatheringmagic, is putting together the biggest magic art exhibition to line up with GP Vegas. I'm seriously considering jumping in for that dinner option in the kickstarter.
My suggestion is
|OT11| Don't give a damn about my bad Invocation
Might be better with "Invocations" but I leave that decision to y'all
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
i'm stunned. Stupefied really. These "Magic cards" if we can even call them that perform just about none of the necessary functions of a Magic card. The names aren't legible, the mana costs are unclear, the power/toughness is hard to read, the color is only vaguely decipherable, and the art ends up looking washed out due to the color scheme on the frame itself. What a damned mess this has turned out to be. My hope for this was that like most of their other recent initiatives, Wizards decided to roll back the Masterpieces and no longer planned to include them in every set, but instead I got the exact opposite of that. As if I wasn't already tired enough of buying boxed product...
With a cycle dedicated to current set printings in each of the masterpieces thus far and this series including creatures confirmed, pretty much no doubt the gods are present in the invocations now.
Wonder if there's enough time for them to at least refine the frame a bit for Hour of Devastation printings. Assuming it's way too late, but even if they could just drop the wingdings, it'd make a huge difference.
Wonder if there's enough time for them to at least refine the frame a bit for Hour of Devastation printings. Assuming it's way too late, but even if they could just drop the wingdings, it'd make a huge difference.
Imagine trying to read them upside down at a ProTour/GP. These should be banned in competitive events.
I don't see how this is any different than playing with a foreign card. I'd argue that they're actually more legible, in that the rules text is pretty clear, even if the titles and type lines are hard to make out
People normally say the names of the cards they're casting anyway, right? And if you don't recognize the art, you can always ask what it is.
Personally, I thought it was pretty cool when I first saw one of these cards and had to do a double-take to read the name. Because it's supposed to mimic ancient and mysterious hieroglyphs, so it's a nice bit of flavor that it's slightly difficult to parse at first glance. I can't say that I've been straining my eyes to read them since I saw my first one, though, and I don't imagine that they'll be a frequent inconvenience in practice (due to their rarity and collectability).
I wonder how they look in non-Romantic languages.
No?
Unless they've changed their policy since Kaladesh, masterpieces only appear in English; even in non-English sealed product.
Every Time I Die
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That's a fantastic point, I bet the text looks appreciably better in a non-Romantic alphabet.
Oh, that's disappointing as heck.
They are only being printed in English. Having said that, it still is hard for me to figure out that font and I've been looking at them for close to 3 hours now
divisionbyzorro
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Hey guys! What'd I miss....
holy fuck could those be any worse
I played against a deck with Damnation during a mm2017 sealed game with a friend, so I am going with Wrath of God. It went off right when I was about to kill him...
Eh. There's sweepers in every format and they're pretty easy to play around once you know they're there. I don't know what you do against Worship if you don't have enchantment removal. Maybe there will be enough life loss in the set that you can get around it.
divisionbyzorro
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I'd wager that 50% of Limited decks literally cannot beat a Worship, and the few that can have at best one answer that sat in their sideboard.
Let me explain without the glibness. (I know you were being facetious, but I worked for a Creative/Marketing Agency for a number of years, and currently work hand-in-hand with the marketing team at my current employer, which has a large, international audience, so I do have some understanding of how this work. I may, of course, be wrong about any and all of this.)
I doubt that the marketing department at Hasbro has final approval of visual design for card templates (packaging, advertising, branding, sure). Though they were likely see the designs and are involved in the selection process (assuming that several design variations were created before settling on this one), but I my guess is that the marketing department is more concerned with the high level concept (unique design, curated list of desirable jobs, past success of the format, etc), rather than the specific look and feel of the cards. I think the design work happens within WotC, and is presented to marketing at Hasbro. They ask, "How do we sell this?" WotC responds by citing past successes with the model, and, even if there are reservations about the look of the cards, I'm not sure that marketing would be in a place to send the WotC creative department back to the drawing board on the design. (I'm sure the proof of concept promos looked fancy at an in-person presentation to marketing, and they wouldn't necessarily understand some of the design flaws that are specific to the game--monochrome mana costs, vertical p/t, etc.) To marketing, this looks like the third go at an already proven successful formula.
So, it's not that I don't think marketing is involved with the process, I just don't think that their place in the workflow of set design/development/release/post-release would place them in a position where they're directly impacting the design of new borders/card layouts, etc.
(Though, the overall flaws in usability in this design--bad fonts, cluttered layout, etc.--make me wonder if I have this backwards, and a clueless marketing department meddled in an attempt to make the cards more flavourful at the expense of usability.)
That's the way I see it, and why I'm more surprised that these cards made it past the creative/design/usability team at WotC than I am surprised that they made it past Hasbro marketing (which is how this conversation started in the first place.)
I hope that makes my thoughts a little more clear. (I'm writing on my phone, so apologies if it's a little jumbled.)
One of the first decks I ever made was a worship deck, that card will always have a special place in my heart. In the playgroup I used to play with any sort of pillow fort card or deck would "lovingly" be referred to as an "Andy" card or deck (after me). I frequently think about trying my hand at making a new version of it...
On the topic of Invocations: one of my friends thinks they look "really cool," so...not everyone hates them?
NameGenerated
Who paid you to grab Dr. Pavel?
I don't get what's so bad about it.
24 years of horizontal X/X and we're gonna suddenly do it vertically? When on the left side of the Amonkhet frame there's a convenient bubble they could have just used for horizontal power and toughness on the right again? It's just all around awful.
NameGenerated
Who paid you to grab Dr. Pavel?
Lol. It's literally just the power on top instead of to the left. Your suggestion is more drastic putting it on the opposite side of where it's always been.
It's the equivalent of turning traffic lights on their side. Sure, it works—but it's needlessly complex and unintuitive.
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