You could play Fumarole and Crackdown Construct in the Saheeli combo deck if you wanted.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT10| Aether Revolt - That shit that make your Soul Burn slow
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You could play Fumarole and Crackdown Construct in the Saheeli combo deck if you wanted.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
yep for her ult you have otherwise pretty mediocre targets and can also surprise win with Nahiri.
Maybe if I concede at every appearance of jeskai colours they will go away.
Infinite Stars
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Wizards needs to get their heads out of their asses, because this is stupid. Like, they won't ever admit it's a mistake, but it is. It's Emrakul or Marvel again.
Etrian Oddity
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I wonder if an organized, nonstop Twitterstorm by the big MtG sites would make MaRo finally get his head out of his ass.
This is way more of a development issue than a design issue. The whole point of development is to catch shit that people figured out within 2 hours of spoilers
SigmasonicX
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Yeah, Design has practically nothing to do with the issues facing Standard, excluding the possibility that they pushed for not having hate cards. You can feel Design's influence much more in Limited than Constructed. Still, even in that case, Development is the one that pushed certain cards knowing that.
charlequin
Banned
I don't really get the narrative that Magic R&D is going to sit there and pretend that absolutely nothing has gone wrong with their current Standard environment. Historically speaking the thing that R&D are bad at is recognizing during set design/development that certain cards/mechanics/interactions will be destructive to the competitive environment in time to stop them; what they've been good at is actually recognizing when that happens and generally avoiding their next mistake being the same kind as the last one.
The problem here is that there isn't a mid-season window to do bans, not that they (correctly) won't ban cards out of an environment no one has played in.
The problem here is that there isn't a mid-season window to do bans, not that they (correctly) won't ban cards out of an environment no one has played in.
They did for the Dark Ascension Block PT
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I thought Skullclamp was banned right away as well but that was memory jar
Skullclamp was unprecedented. The card was everywhere in competitive Magic.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/skullclamp-we-hardly-knew-ye-2004-06-04
The B and R list announcements back when Skullclamp was banned were done in a way that they happened weeks to months after sets came out.
Also, Standard didn't become a Pro Tour Format until 2008 or so- they were always things like Block Constructed, Extended, Team. various forms of limited
Also, Standard didn't become a Pro Tour Format until 2008 or so- they were always things like Block Constructed, Extended, Team. various forms of limited
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
why would you officially stream draft 1 week before the new set? At least make it MMA or EMA
The fact that they are streaming this dumb Super Sunday Series in what looks like a glorified game store instead of a Grand Prix this weekend is absurd
Wizards said they wanted this streamed over GP Louisville because it was the last time this tournament was being held
FreedomFrisbee
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There's nothing stopping them from issuing a ban change whenever. They're not committed to any schedule. Things happening outside of the norm are rare but can be done. Standard is already in an 'outside of the norm' situation, so it's really not outside the realm of possibility. The real reason it won't happen is because they'd have to ban too much, and some of the potential bans would undermine the reason they went back to old rotation in the first place.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
alternatively emergency reprint dismember
Joe Molotov
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Abrupt Decay or gtfo wotc
I don't know why Duress isn't an acceptable card for Standard.
Wouldnt do much so not sure why it matters. Everything people whine about right now is an artifact, planeswalker or creature.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Duress hits Artifacts and Planeswalkers
For some reason I had it in my head it was instant or sorcery. Now I want to know where I got that from.
ThLunarian
Member
Edit: already covered
Haven't been paying attention. What has Wizards screwed up now?
Infinite Stars
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Literally it's all over the thread now.
It's Marvel/Emrakul/Copter/Saheeli Twin Combo
All of these are things that the player base caught, but Wizards didn't. They wanted Copter to be a 3/4 with vigilance iirc at one point.
Basically, Standard looks to have a bunch of Turn 4 "Oops I win" decks(IE the speed level of modern right now) without literally any of the safety gauges built into Modern. There's no graveyard hate, no artifact removal that isn't crap, no cards beyond Fatal Push that are efficent removal(Murder was considered good Removal. Fucking MURDER)
Turn 4 infinte combos (Saheeli + Felidar Guardian).
They accidentally made a new Splinter Twin combo, in a format that now has next to no effective removal or disruption
That and the pre prerelease thing.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
They accidentally made a new Splinter Twin combo, in a format that now has next to no effective removal or disruption
So my roommate firmly believes that they printed this combo purposefully as a way to answer the other degenerate stuff that's going on in Standard at the moment. His argument always relies on, "how could they not have caught that in testing? It had to be intentional." Now, what would you say to counter that argument? There doesn't seem to be a logical line that he'll accept at this point. It's only annoying because he usually won't accept any criticism of what's going on behind the scenes at Wizards even when they have dropped the ball as badly as they seem to have right now.
That was friday, so no overlap with the GP.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
There's plenty of countermagic. The problem is that the deck that plays all the countermagic is the deck that plays the Copycat combo.
The deck is good.
They likely were so focused on the tap/untap stuff with Kikki-Jikki-style combos they forgot that blinking the copier without summoning sickness could also work.They accidentally made a new Splinter Twin combo, in a format that now has next to no effective removal or disruption
But yeah, it's ridiculous this made it through.
But restoration angel is the prime target for kiki nowadays and that blinks D:
Wizards done fucked up
I have a hard time imagining them not printing the combo intentionally, tbh. Like, Felidar Guardian's effect was clearly judged to be powerful (as indicated by its bad stats). The block is filled with loads of cards that can flicker creatures, but this one stands out because it can flicker any permanent. And what are one of the obvious additional targets that Felidar Guardian can hit and other creature-flicker effects can't? Planeswalkers. And which Planeswalker is on the box of Kaladesh? Saheeli Rai.
They were clearly aware that Felidar was a standout card, and asking the question "Why is Felidar a standout card?" leads you to find the combo pretty quickly. It may be a dumb move, but I can't imagine that it wasn't known to WotC when they decided to print it.
They were clearly aware that Felidar was a standout card, and asking the question "Why is Felidar a standout card?" leads you to find the combo pretty quickly. It may be a dumb move, but I can't imagine that it wasn't known to WotC when they decided to print it.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
3 Aetherflux Resorvoir in play 6 Cheerios, 0 Paradoxical Outcome in the top half of the deck
There's no control because of emmy tho
Everytime there's a broken combo, people think wizards deliberately printed it because it's so obvious. Heck. Mike Long thought that ProsBloom was deliberate and that's insanely complicated and weird by modern standards.
And yet, every single time it has turned out that wizards hadn't anticipated it. Every time. It's incredibly easy in a sealed tester environment like the one wizards runs to let things slip through. You cannot rely on friends and family and people who are involved in the design and development of sets to catch these things, you have to have external people who play the game at a decent level if you want to avoid broken combos.
I mean, I can remember when people were confidently saying that Tolariamn Academy was printed deliberately. Someone linked the skullclamp story earlier. Same goes for Memory Jar, and Lin-Sivvi. Wizards have a track record going back decades of not spotting these things, and every time players have been convinced they knew about it and every single time it turns out wizards didn't spot it.
https://www.twitch.tv/magic
Modern is about to start.
The whole stream looks like it costed WotC like 20 bucks lol, looks so budget.
Modern is about to start.
The whole stream looks like it costed WotC like 20 bucks lol, looks so budget.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
There's no way they printed a 2 card win the game combo on the spot that costs the same amount of mana as Modern-banned Splinter Twin on purpose, even if and when they claim they did.
Cheaping out on the setup, covering the lens in vasoline, and saying everything is fine is a great cost saver.
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