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[TheBlackMarvel]

Well, they had that whole prophecy set up, so clearly he's on some sort of timetable. So it's not infinite zombies. We just haven't seen why he needs to take his army and move on, I guess.

The whole point of the prophecy was so he could do it whenever he wanted. There's no real reason he couldn't have quietly extracted his zombies and had the whole thing continue.

Yeah, this seems really strong.

That seems really good.

 

[OnPoint]

Turn 1 5/4 in Legacy

I mean, probably it won't be good enough. But it's a thought.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I only love it for the jank builds that I get to do in modern. In terms of spikes, it won't see play in shadow imho

idk it's pretty good still when self milled with that one cantrip.
Not unfathomable for it to see play.

 

[Violet_0]

the Scarab god is legit great. A one-mana reanimation card at uncommon is interesting as well

 

[Santiako]

Bad mythic alert

Uncage the Menagerie XGG
Mythic Rare
Sorcery
Search your library with up to X creature cards with different names that each have converted mana cost X, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle your library.
The destruction of Rhonas's monument released his collection into the city.

 

[TheBlackMarvel]

Bad mythic alert



Uncage the Menagerie XGG
Mythic Rare
Sorcery
Search your library with up to X creature cards with different names that each have converted mana cost X, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle your library.
The destruction of Rhonas's monument released his collection into the city.

I'm going to feel so bad when I open this.

 

[Simply Sarah]

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/beyond-basics/rhonass-last-stand-2017-06-22

Yeah, this seems really strong.

Mmm, on the one hand it's strong but on the other hand it's very much a trap card. I'm not sure if it can fit anywhere except an aggressive green deck and I'm not even sure it's great there. Played on or close to curve (turn 2-3) it can mean an entire turn off making other plays and that's often very bad for an aggressive deck. Late game it's a decent top deck in an aggressive build because you probably don't have much else to cast anyway.

In most other decks it's also going to risk slowing your board development down too much early and later in the game it can be a problem when you have more expensive cards you want to cast.

It's just...a lot of time you're going to draw this and it's not going to be something you want to cast and other times it might be enough to win the game. It's hard to evaluate at this point but I lean towards meh.

Bad mythic alert



Uncage the Menagerie XGG
Mythic Rare
Sorcery
Search your library with up to X creature cards with different names that each have converted mana cost X, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle your library.
The destruction of Rhonas's monument released his collection into the city.

When I first glanced at this I thought you were selling the card too short. Then I realized the CMC of the creatures is X instead of X or less and suddenly the card got way more awkward.

 

[kirblar]

Rhonas Last Stand GG
Sorcery
Put a 5/4 Snake token into play, lands don't Untappd next turn

That's a big creature for a 2 mana Echo spell

I'm pretty sure we've had a 4/4 for 1g w echo before. It was trash.

So is this.

 

[ultron87]

Casting Uncage for X of 3 or 4 seems pretty good in Limited, assuming you've got that many of those in your deck. But beyond that, yeah.

 

[Santiako]

I'm pretty sure we've had a 4/4 for 1g w echo before. It was trash.

So is this.

No, we haven't. Closest is Albino Troll and that saw plenty of play.

 

[DrArchon]

Bad mythic alert



Uncage the Menagerie XGG
Mythic Rare
Sorcery
Search your library with up to X creature cards with different names that each have converted mana cost X, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle your library.
The destruction of Rhonas's monument released his collection into the city.

I mean, it's probably pretty good in EDH. It's definitely not built for any other format as far as I can tell. Gonna suck to open this up in limited.

 

[Santiako]

Splashy and big. Not quite Giselbrand but much better than Kothoped.

 

[kirblar]

No, we haven't. Closest is Albino Troll and that saw plenty of play.

...no it didn't? lol

Was misremembering, card is still awful.

 

[Joe Molotov]

It's gonna feel bad when your Snake token gets Pushed.

 

[Santiako]

Let's make RDW happen:

Earthshaker Khenra 1R Rare
Creature - Jackal Warrior
Haste
When ~ enters the battlefield, target creature with power less than or equal to ~'s power can't block this turn.
Eternalize 4RR
2/1

...no it didn't? lol

Was misremembering, card is still awful.

Yes it did. It was a staple of the mono green stompys back in the day.

 

[Firemind]

No, we haven't. Closest is Albino Troll and that saw plenty of play.

Rancor and Cradle tho

 

[DrArchon]

Splashy and big. Not quite Giselbrand but much better than Kothoped.

Oh for sure it's no Griselbrand. I don't see too many people throwing out this guy with Through the Breach and Goryo's Vengeance, but he's still pretty good. Obviously a monster in EDH, and probably too expensive for constructed.

 

[Supast4r]

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/beyond-basics/rhonass-last-stand-2017-06-22

Yeah, this seems really strong.

Is anyone surprised that the green one is going to be the best?

 

[Santiako]

That is some terrible flavour text in Razaketh btw.

 

[Tunoku]

Let's make RDW happen:

Earthshaker Khenra 1R Rare
Creature - Jackal Warrior
Haste
When ~ enters the battlefield, target creature with power less than or equal to ~'s power can't block this turn.
Eternalize 4RR
2/1

Okay, I'm on board again. This thing is cool.

 

[OnPoint]

That is some terrible flavour text in Razaketh btw.

Why even have any at all if that's what it's going to say

 

[Supast4r]

I'm pretty sure we've had a 4/4 for 1g w echo before. It was trash.

So is this.

This plus a turn 1 mana dork makes only one of your lands not tap. That gets makes the echo only cost G.

 

[Glix]

Mmm, on the one hand it's strong but on the other hand it's very much a trap card. I'm not sure if it can fit anywhere except an aggressive green deck and I'm not even sure it's great there. Played on or close to curve (turn 2-3) it can mean an entire turn off making other plays and that's often very bad for an aggressive deck. Late game it's a decent top deck in an aggressive build because you probably don't have much else to cast anyway.

In most other decks it's also going to risk slowing your board development down too much early and later in the game it can be a problem when you have more expensive cards you want to cast.

It's just...a lot of time you're going to draw this and it's not going to be something you want to cast and other times it might be enough to win the game. It's hard to evaluate at this point but I lean towards meh.

Seems good on turn two with an elf. Only sets you back one mana for turn 3.

 

[Supast4r]

Splashy and big. Not quite Giselbrand but much better than Kothoped.

INSANE in edh

 

[OnPoint]

Seems good on turn two with an elf. Only sets you back one mana for turn 3.

Yeah, T2 in Modern doesn't sound awful but Push is everywhere.

I still think it would be funny in Legacy.

T1 - Forest, (Elvish Spirit guide or Lotus Petal), Last Stand

Runs into Force

Oops

 

[Simply Sarah]

Splashy and big. Not quite Giselbrand but much better than Kothoped.

Better than Kothoped is such a low bar, though. As for Raza himself...I dunno. The activated ability is obviously ridiculously powerful but takes a bit more effort than Griseldaddy to make work. At bare minimum he's pretty interesting.

Yes it did. It was a staple of the mono green stompys back in the day.

I mean, everything else aside, I'm not sure trying to compare it to an echo creature (since echo has is much smaller drawback) with regeneration from a set that released in 1998 is very useful either way. The game was entirely different then. We're talking about roughly the era where Sligh ran stuff like Ironclaw Orcs.

Edit:
Whoa whoa people. Let's step back for a minute. Let's be very clear here: Rhonas's Last Stand is 100% unplayable in any format outside of *maybe* AKH-HOU Limited. In Modern, really? A format with Death's Shadow and where there are sometimes questions on if Goyf is still good enough? You're kidding, right?

 

[kirblar]

What is the best removal spell in Standard?

Why would playing Rhonas's Last Stand into it be bad?

 

[OnPoint]

Edit:
Whoa whoa people. Let's step back for a minute. Let's be very clear here: Rhonas's Last Stand is 100% unplayable in any format outside of *maybe* AKH-HOU Limited. In Modern, really? A format with Death's Shadow and where there are sometimes questions on if Goyf is still good enough? You're kidding, right?

It's fun to dream.

The card is trash.

 

[Firemind]

Maybe in limited?

Uh, I'm pretty sure a 5/4 on turn two is pretty good.

 

[SigmasonicX]

Rhonas's Last Stand is one of those cards your opponent will always play perfectly, while yours gets a removal spell right away.

 

[DrArchon]

Wish the token was a 5/5 so it wouldn't trade with every Eternalize token. Gonna suck to time walk youself and have your opponent bring back some 4/4 chump blocker.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

Rhonas' Last Stand might be a decent turn 2 play. But where it's a trap is how much it sucks on any turn other than Turn 2 or Turn 10. It ties up so much more than two mana if you play it any point other than on curve.

 

[Ashodin]

Rhonas's Last Stand is one of those cards your opponent will always play perfectly, while yours gets a removal spell right away.

Fucking this

 

[ThLunarian]

Ron's Last Stand would be pretty good in a Wirewood Symbiote/Quirion Ranger type of deck. The drawback would be barely noticeable.

Or at least that would be true if Elves weren't a combo deck now. Maybe it could be relevant in a Cube somewhere

 

[alternade]

Ah gotta love the "I know EDH and you don't because I play mono blue Teferi and only in competitive metas" guys I have locally. Basically trying to say that the Scarab God is complete shit and no one will touch it because how do you win turn 3 with it??

 

[OnPoint]

Ah gotta love the "I know EDH and you don't because I play mono blue Teferi and only in competitive metas" guys I have locally. Basically trying to say that the Scarab God is complete shit and no one will touch it because how do you win turn 3 with it??

Ill taaaaake... 'People Not Worth Playing With' for one thousand, Alex.

 

[Simply Sarah]

I'm trying to figure out where, if anywhere, Razaketh, the Worst Flavour Text could be played. His main issue seems to be that most places you'd want to play him Griselbrand is probably better since drawing 7/14/21 cards in a deck with Griselbrand usually wins the game on the spot anyway. I mean, great in some EDH decks but I'm not sure beyond that.

Ah gotta love the "I know EDH and you don't because I play mono blue Teferi and only in competitive metas" guys I have locally. Basically trying to say that the Scarab God is complete shit and no one will touch it because how do you win turn 3 with it??

See, I play in a competitive EDH meta...and I actually have a PW Teferi deck. And the people that try to stomp on players that have (or want to have) a less streamlined meta are assholes. Oh no, someone is having fun in a way different than me! How terrible!

Beyond that, cards need to be evaluated for where they're going to be played. Like, I agree that the Scarab God isn't good in a really competitive meta. So sure, it's bad in the sense that it's not great for what is basically the legacy highlander of super competitive metas. But that doesn't make the card itself bad. It's amazing in basically any other kind of EDH.

 

[red13th]

I don't hate the flavour text that much, it's just there. Better than the Sorin Mortify.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Isn't Razaketh just a worse Demon of Demonic Tutor?

 

[DrArchon]

Isn't Razaketh just a worse Demon of Demonic Tutor?

I wouldn't say so. He only costs 1 mana more, and he can get more than 1 card. That's enough of an improvement for me to run Raz over the other demon. It's not like it's hard to get tons of creatures and life in EDH.

 

[OnPoint]

I have a mono-black Balthor reanimator deck I could see him being good in.

That's the only place I have use for him, though.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I wouldn't say so. He only costs 1 mana more, and he can get more than 1 card. That's enough of an improvement for me to run Raz over the other demon. It's not like it's hard to get tons of creatures and life in EDH.

I'd never run him over Rune Scarred Demon, only in addition to.

1 more more and conditional is enough to make it significantly worse imo. In the ideal scenario he's much better but otherwise he possibly does nothing at all.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Razaketh is terrible. You know a mythic creature is bad when the only reason you would take it in draft is that its really big.

 

[OnPoint]

Big flavor miss for me, too. His whole schtick was that he likes to toy with his prey, can take control of people (I guess by contract at least), and also, he turned the river into blood for ? reason. This doesn't hit anything he did in the story ability-wise at all.

 

[DrArchon]

I'd never run him over Rune Scarred Demon, only in addition to.

1 more more and conditional is enough to make it significantly worse imo. In the ideal scenario he's much better but otherwise he possibly does nothing at all.

Maybe it's because I'd never run a black EDH deck without creatures worth sacrificing, but I like Raz more than Rune-Scarred. Just imagining both of them eating a kill spell as soon as they get out, Rune-Scarred gets one card, Raz can potentially get a lot more.

Rune-Scarred is a much better topdeck card when you're down, but if there's a stalled boardstate and you need a couple of cards to close the game out, Raz seems really good there.

 

[Angry Grimace]

He costs a billion fucking mana and has no protection from being killed and his activated ability requires you to sac all of your guys to even use it but if you're playing a cannon fodder deck you're not putting fucking EIGHT DROPS in it. On an empty board its just playing Lord of the Pit, and who cares about that - your opponent points a kill spell that cost 1/3 what it cost to cast your demon and you're tapped out.

Razaketh is actively horrible.

 

[OnPoint]

He costs a billion fucking mana and has no protection from being killed and his activated ability requires you to sac all of your guys to even use it.

On an empty board its just playing Lord of the Pit, and who cares about that - your opponent points a kill spell that cost 1/3 what it cost to cast your demon and you're tapped out.

He sucks in like, almost every deck in every format, IMO. But he fits in nicely in Balthor. Probably would be a great Buried Alive target, honestly.

 

[Angry Grimace]

They're trying to make him into a Griselbrand variant (where you could technically just draw your combo straighaway) but he's just horrible. An 8-drop that requires you to have other guys out is just lol as fuck.

 

[Ashodin]

Razaketh is terrible. Johnny card.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Maybe it's because I'd never run a black EDH deck without creatures worth sacrificing, but I like Raz more than Rune-Scarred. Just imagining both of them eating a kill spell as soon as they get out, Rune-Scarred gets one card, Raz can potentially get a lot more.

Rune-Scarred is a much better topdeck card when you're down, but if there's a stalled boardstate and you need a couple of cards to close the game out, Raz seems really good there.

but that's just it common usage is probably gonna be almost identical, at his worst Razaketh is going to be terrible and only when he's at his best does he eke out Runescarred imo.
You need opponents to both not have removal and have a considerable boardstate for him to be better.