Too bad we lose lone rider. That card is nuts right now.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT12| Hour of Devastation - Hour of Jace getting dunked on
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I think it is - it says it's an "exclusive version" of the Sword so I assume there's going to be a non-exclusive version.
That's a quality pun by the by. War and Peace. Body and Mind. Dungeons and Dragons.
Remembrance
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Dungeons: black
Dragons: red
Allied colored sword cycle confirmed
Dragons: red
Allied colored sword cycle confirmed
charlequin
Banned
Oh hey, Abe Sargent wrote an article ranking all the expansion sets. Let's see what he has to sa--
Hélène Bergeot's Hall of Fame Ballot:
https://www.channelfireball.com/home/my-hall-of-fame-2017-ballot/
https://www.channelfireball.com/home/my-hall-of-fame-2017-ballot/
FreedomFrisbee
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I really would love for them to actually have the set be only half silver bordered or something. Card that's functionally fine in a black bordered format? Let it be black bordered!
Infinite Stars
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Who the hell is Abe Sargent and why is he so hillariously wrong on BFZ?Oh hey, Abe Sargent wrote an article ranking all the expansion sets. Let's see what he has to sa--
Fake Edit: Holy shit you weren't kidding. He puts it in the top half of all sets ever made. Like, it's no "The Dark" style shitty(which established basic ground rules of "don't do a dumb idea"), but how on earth did he come to the idea that it's better then the following sets(at least):
- Dragons of Tarkir
- Return to Ravnica
- Eldritch Moon
- Shadows Over Innistrad
- Worldwake
- Planar Chaos
Like, I feel like saying BFZ was better then any of these alone is bad, yet alone the whole lot considering how SoI Block is probably the best 2SetBlock of the 4 we've seen.
Simply Sarah
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Oh hey, Abe Sargent wrote an article ranking all the expansion sets. Let's see what he has to sa--
I, uh, are these joke lists? A set that even MaRo admits was a complete failure of design is "well-designed"? Kaladesh is second best set of all time? Homelands is better than 6 other sets and not purely because of flavour? Fallen Empires at 49 out of 78? Were the ranks just pulled out of hats?
Good thing I pre-ordered my Sumares when I did then. My mono-white deck is gonna fall apart once Bygone Bishop and Thraben Inspector rotate out, so I'll need some new blood in there to keep it going.
divisionbyzorro
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Battle for Zendikar is probably bottom quartile of all sets ever made. What was this guy smoking?
Simply Sarah
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My guess is copies of Armor Thrull.
What Amonkhet cards do you all think have gone up in quality in HOU draft/sealed, relative to what they were in 3x Amonkhet?
Festering Mummy has gone up a bit, as it kills both of the stand-out white creatures (Daring and Avenger), and mummies remain a very good deck.
Spidery Grasp feels like it does a bit more work, because the format is a bit slower to more easily allow for 2G combat tricks, and I think it interacts better with the common creatures.
Expensive removal spells in general (Final Reward, Electrify) due to it slowing down enough for that to not be unreasonable.
Splendid Agony, for the same reason Festering Mummy got better.
Festering Mummy has gone up a bit, as it kills both of the stand-out white creatures (Daring and Avenger), and mummies remain a very good deck.
Spidery Grasp feels like it does a bit more work, because the format is a bit slower to more easily allow for 2G combat tricks, and I think it interacts better with the common creatures.
Expensive removal spells in general (Final Reward, Electrify) due to it slowing down enough for that to not be unreasonable.
Splendid Agony, for the same reason Festering Mummy got better.
I quit Magic for a bit right before BfZ came out, and I'm always impressed with how bad that set is. It really feels like they had a dartboard set up with a bunch of mechanics on it and just threw darts at it to choose them at random.
You have some that basically do nothing without additional cards (Devoid and Ingest)
You have some popular returning mechanics from OG Zendikar block (Landfall and Allies)
You have Converge (a renamed Sunburst now for non-artifacts as well)
You have Awaken (Which actually makes a lot of sense)
Converge is the weird one. I guess the idea was "colorless vs every color", except the Devoid cards still cost colored mana. That and "Well, Zendikar is landsmatter the set, and if they're playing lots of lands they probably have lots of colors"
You have some that basically do nothing without additional cards (Devoid and Ingest)
You have some popular returning mechanics from OG Zendikar block (Landfall and Allies)
You have Converge (a renamed Sunburst now for non-artifacts as well)
You have Awaken (Which actually makes a lot of sense)
Converge is the weird one. I guess the idea was "colorless vs every color", except the Devoid cards still cost colored mana. That and "Well, Zendikar is landsmatter the set, and if they're playing lots of lands they probably have lots of colors"
Cast Out has gone up a bunch (and it had already been high). There's virtually no enchantment removal in the format, so it's basically just a cheaper Final Reward in white.
Richmond HAS to be a "I'm Sorry" to SCG now that they can't run Grand Prix anymore
2 European events- Both in Spain is fucking weird though!
if only Sunmare was a dinosaur, the deck would build itself. At least two of the tribes have life gain synergy, one of the new mechanics is similar to Dark Confidant iirc. It looks like your life total is going to be a resource in Ixalan
"God's Beard!"
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I hope Josh Utter-Leyton makes it just so I can brag that I've beaten a Hall of Fame member at a GP.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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did you know threatening an exert guy and exerting it doesn't mean it won't untap next turn?
Que? Why wouldn't that be the case? Because when you extert it says "Doesn't untap during your next untap step", not the controller's?
Ah, yeah, the 2W cycle enchantment removal went up as well.
Baffling how there's like no enchantment removal in the set. That's actually a very rare design choice.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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because it looks for who exerted it. It won't untap in your next untap step.
Bilbao and Barcelona are both amazing cities!
Simply Sarah
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";243994674]I hope Josh Utter-Leyton makes it just so I can brag that I've beaten a Hall of Fame member at a GP.[/QUOTE]
I think the entire community would be stunned if Wraptor somehow didn't make it.
I think the entire community would be stunned if Wraptor somehow didn't make it.
Poodlestrike
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I feel this way about a lot of things tbh.
Yeah, that's kinda what I figured would be the case after I thought about it. That's a shame. Threatening a guy, getting a better attack out of it, and then leaving them without a blocker for a turn sounds really nice.
Not like it ever came up much. There's, what, only 1 threaten spell in the set? And it's uncommon?
In other news, SCG hiked up the price of the blue duals fairly significantly just before the PTs- including the first PT to offer a legacy component- were announced. Seems kind of suspect....
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/6o9ofg/24_hours_before_the_legacy_pt_was_announced_today/
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/6o9ofg/24_hours_before_the_legacy_pt_was_announced_today/
Ben's answer leaves me pretty satisfied:
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/6o9ofg/24_hours_before_the_legacy_pt_was_announced_today/dkgi05k/?context=3
I mean, I assume they have inside information, but this time what they did is not suspect at all in my opinion.
Giant Panda
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BFZ also had some of the wildest extremes in art quality. Some of the Eldrazi cards have my favorite arts ever, then other cards look amateurish or like bad cgi.
1/2 of the GP schedule revealed
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/organized-play/2018-grand-prix-details-2017-07-20
-GP Vegas next year is just Modern and Limited
-60(!) events next year
-The Legacy GPs are both double headers with a Standard GP, similar to Vegas
-All team GPs will qualify people for the 25th Anniversary Pro Tour instead of the next Pro Tour as individual events will continue to do
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/organized-play/2018-grand-prix-details-2017-07-20
-GP Vegas next year is just Modern and Limited
-60(!) events next year
-The Legacy GPs are both double headers with a Standard GP, similar to Vegas
-All team GPs will qualify people for the 25th Anniversary Pro Tour instead of the next Pro Tour as individual events will continue to do
West Coast representation looking fairly good- getting two of the better GPs in double event Seattle and Vegas plus another in Santa Clara that's team constructed. 3 GPs is acceptable for the less populated part of the country; given that there's 3 Canadian GPs in the year and only 2- both East Coast- GPs have been listed, assuming we'll get either Vancouver or Calgary in the second half of the year too.
Edit: Missed Phoenix, so four cities in the first half of the year.
Yup, that reads totally reasonable, especially given the evidence of a consistent trend in price hikes across older sets week by week. False alarm.
15 including unified modern. (Or 19 if you also count trios constructed!) Yeah, all that bs about Wizards ending support for the format was pretty hilarious.
Edit: Missed Phoenix, so four cities in the first half of the year.
Yup, that reads totally reasonable, especially given the evidence of a consistent trend in price hikes across older sets week by week. False alarm.
15 including unified modern. (Or 19 if you also count trios constructed!) Yeah, all that bs about Wizards ending support for the format was pretty hilarious.
Teams work really well for video coverage- you can switch from game to game easily in downtimes, while still keeping the "narrative" of the match
Exactly.
"God's Beard!"
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Over/Under on Satyr Wayfinder coming back in Ixalan?
Also, someone team up with me for GP Santa Clara. It might be time to come back to Magic.
Also, someone team up with me for GP Santa Clara. It might be time to come back to Magic.
SigmasonicX
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I'm in the area, but building a serious deck for a tournament is beyond my interest.
charlequin
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Helene has far and away the best take I've seen on the Pikula situation so far, especially by actively acknowledging the value of someone actively working to re-earn their position on the Pro Tour. (Also a much more proportionate, and therefore reasonable, call-out for Maro than some of the whinier pros.)
Like there's obviously a ton of subjectivity on this stuff, and I appreciate that he made the effort to list his exact criteria for selection, but BFZ is honestly such a complete and utter clusterfuck that it's hard to credit someone who misranks it the same way that I would someone who, like, overvalues SoM or something.
I can defend both of these. Homelands is a bad set but it gets a little benefit from being early (when standards are somewhat lower) and from mostly being bad due to being boring rather than raw terribleness. Like, that stuff doesn't take it that far but it's easily better than Saviors (complete absolute disaster of bad unplayable design), Prophecy (the set that hates you personally), and BFZ, and I'd probably put it ahead of Dragon's Maze as well.
Fallen Empires is a bit overrated at 49, but the basic case he makes is pretty solid. The set had a number of extremely powerful cards (Hymn to Tourach, Goblin Grenade, the Orders, High Tide, etc.) and was actually extremely influential to future design -- it invented the tribal theme, contained the first complex counter-based mechanics, made tokens the significant game component they are now, introduced Saprolings and Thrulls, and more. The hate for the set at the time was almost entirely driven by the overprinting that made the set worthless, combined with having the best cards at common.
"God's Beard!"
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I play every competitive format.
Willow, the Baron, and, uh...
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