I want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I won't be able to. I hope the card is a flavor homerun. I really do. But until I see it, I'm skeptical it will be.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT12| Hour of Devastation - Hour of Jace getting dunked on
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I want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I won't be able to. I hope the card is a flavor homerun. I really do. But until I see it, I'm skeptical it will be.
charlequin
Banned
I mean, C16 had eight other legends that were existing story characters and they were all pretty spot-on.... they make weird inexplicable fuck-ups occasionally but their hit rate is much better than their miss rate on these.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Clerics are lame, they already have a ton of support and are not lacking in commanders to shore up colours.
Werewolfs should be the best tribe but it's still one of the worst. SOI and EM gave it a boost but it needs more. According to EDHRec Cephalid, Kavu, Advisor decks are the worst tribes. Surprisingly Wolfs, Assassins, Ogres, Shades and Kors are not favoured aswell.
https://edhrec.com/tribes for more.
https://edhrec.com/tribes for more.
Me too! My favorite deck I'm playing right now is Tymna and Ravos partner clerics. It's such an underrated tribe with alot of synergy and lore. The only problem is that many of the creatures are either small or have linear effects that don't further you in the game.
I'm hoping they go Abzan. Many green clerics I would love to have in the deck.
TheBlackMarvel
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No angels sucks. 
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
This UW Monument deck in modern looks like it's tons of fun, it plays squadron hawks.
Oketra's Monument is just an incredibly powerful card.
Oketra's Monument is just an incredibly powerful card.
How does it win against Anger?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Judge's Familiar and Whitemane Lion give no fucks. There's also Hussars that tap white creatures for card draw.
Ultimately it's a tempo deck though, hope spell queller is good enough.
Praying that Vampires are Mardu and not just straight RB. There's a couple of cool WB vamps out there that I wouldn't mind using (namely some of the BfZ ones and Blood Baron of Vizkopa).
Granted, if slot 4 really is Clerics it'd be weird for Vampires to be Mardu. Then all 4 decks would have white in them.
Granted, if slot 4 really is Clerics it'd be weird for Vampires to be Mardu. Then all 4 decks would have white in them.
Come to think of it, it makes no sense than none of these commander decks would feature blue significantly. You have 5 color dragons featuring blue tangentially, WG cats, and either Mardu or Rakdos Vamps (I really can't see it being Grixis). If the final one turns out to be Clerics, then blue really gets fucked over.
Could it be Blue Wizards? I know Azami is a thing and is pretty much the paragon of Wizard tribal commanders, but still.
Could it be Blue Wizards? I know Azami is a thing and is pretty much the paragon of Wizard tribal commanders, but still.
I can agree with this.
I guess the question is this then: If WotC is into giving the fans what they want with this product, what colors would Edgar theoretically be? Perhaps I don't have my fingers on the pulse of the median Edgar fan, but I don't see him as Grixis.
My predictions for these:
5C Dragons (basically confirmed)
GW Cats (basically confirmed)
BW Clerics (seems reasonable)
RB Vampires
Covers the whole color pie.
Yeah, can't say I'm personally excited for any of those tribes - Dragons and Vampires are kind of cliche, and while Cats are interesting they're not something I'm gonna try and hunt down. Clerics are a snooze but I'm not 100% sure that's what the last deck is.
Will probably just grab any interesting singles from this round.
Will probably just grab any interesting singles from this round.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
the cat commander is godlike because there's finally a reason to play one of these anywhere.
I think one of the reasons I'm down on the possibilities of the final deck being Clerics is that we just got two really good Cleric commanders, and you can use them together.
I mean, doesn't this combo basically do everything that you want a Cleric commander to do? It lets you keep casting your cheap creatures over and over again when they die (or if you sacrifice them for effects), it makes them more threatening in combat a little, it rewards you for gaining life by letting you draw cards, like seriously I can't imagine what a new single card Cleric commander would bring to the table that could be more interesting or more useful than what they two do together.
I mean, doesn't this combo basically do everything that you want a Cleric commander to do? It lets you keep casting your cheap creatures over and over again when they die (or if you sacrifice them for effects), it makes them more threatening in combat a little, it rewards you for gaining life by letting you draw cards, like seriously I can't imagine what a new single card Cleric commander would bring to the table that could be more interesting or more useful than what they two do together.
The dragons deck covers the whole pie. The last deck has to have blue in it, so I can't see it being BW Clerics.
Why does it HAVE to have blue?
Because you don't want just one deck to be marginally blue? You want some semblance of colour balance.
Tough to do with 4 decks, especially when one is 5C. I'm interested to see where these actually end up, balance wise.
Yeah, tougher to do if none of the decks include blue like you suggested
I just don't see blue fitting into any of those.
Besides, blue could use a break
I just don't see blue fitting into any of those.
Besides, blue could use a break
I can see the last one being Wizards or Rogues, both of which are heavily blue.
EDIT: Of course they could go with Grixis Vampires for some reason and then make the last one BW Clerics or something like that.
They could make Grixis Vampires and still have Edgar be RB. So that could work.
I expect a ton of humans in whatever the final deck is, but probably not Allies. I can't see them tying the whole deck down to one plane. Could be some reprints though, but I'm not up to date on which allies are in high enough demand to warrant reprinting.
From todays update on HUD cards
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http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/play-design/m-files-hour-devastation-part-2-2017-07-21
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http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/play-design/m-files-hour-devastation-part-2-2017-07-21
I think well get
BWG Clerics - Allies/Human and Wizard subtheme
URB Vampires - Warrior and Berserker subtheme
I really want to see if they make new lands though. Land base if one of the few things that makes it hard to play 3 and now 4 color decks efficiently. Command Tower is great but we need a few more cards like it to balance out decks that don't have access to duals, filters, etc. Maybe its time for Tribal lands?
BWG Clerics - Allies/Human and Wizard subtheme
URB Vampires - Warrior and Berserker subtheme
I really want to see if they make new lands though. Land base if one of the few things that makes it hard to play 3 and now 4 color decks efficiently. Command Tower is great but we need a few more cards like it to balance out decks that don't have access to duals, filters, etc. Maybe its time for Tribal lands?
One of the new Dragons is that Jund Cat Dragon, right? Could be skewed towards Jund with that as a sort of secondary mascot commander for players who just want to cut the handful of white and blue cards.
Negate and Essence Scatter are fine at common so why can't Lightning Strike be common?
Vampires already has 2 Grixis already has two Vampire commanders, Mardu doesn't have one yet. Sorin, the face of Vampires can't really be played in a Vampire tribal deck unless you cut red, which is the other Vampire color.
Blue also hasn't had a Vampire in years, where as they just printed a couple BW vampires. Really think Mardu would be the choice for Vampire tribal, but knowing Wizards they will go with Grixis, because...
Blue also hasn't had a Vampire in years, where as they just printed a couple BW vampires. Really think Mardu would be the choice for Vampire tribal, but knowing Wizards they will go with Grixis, because...
Negate and Essence Scatter can't end the game in high numbers.
I would disagree that Lightning Strike is too good for common as a blanket statement though; it very much depends on the format. I think the faster the format, the better lightning Strike gets, so it'd likely be way too good in the current limited format.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I think they messed up designing the cat commander. The Ur Dragon strikes the right balance between being good in the commandzone and better in play once you are able to cast it.
The cat lord on the other hand is better in the command zone and you'll never want to play it. There's 47 cats with cmc less than 3 and a few great ones for 3 mana. That's all you need for a real mean aggro deck.
The cat lord on the other hand is better in the command zone and you'll never want to play it. There's 47 cats with cmc less than 3 and a few great ones for 3 mana. That's all you need for a real mean aggro deck.
charlequin
Banned
Well, the other new legend in that deck is Taigam who's just blue-white, so maybe they just wanted to give a couple different options for how to break it dowjn.
I was going to say "don't they always?" but I didn't realize until just now that C16 broke the streak of adding a new Commander-specific land or mana rock each year.
blindrocket
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I used to have this super fun Vampire deck for 60 card table top Magic.
I remember it being pretty brutal especially after Captivating Vampire took control of my opponents creatures.
If they don't reprint Captivating Vampire in the new Commander deck, I imagine he's going to go up a bit in price after the C17 decks release.
He's a Lord, plus he has the ability to take permanent control of your opponents creatures, and turn them into Vampires.
I remember it being pretty brutal especially after Captivating Vampire took control of my opponents creatures.
If they don't reprint Captivating Vampire in the new Commander deck, I imagine he's going to go up a bit in price after the C17 decks release.
He's a Lord, plus he has the ability to take permanent control of your opponents creatures, and turn them into Vampires.
Yeah I was surprised at the lack of fixing with the 4C decks. Sure they were balanced because they were all slow lands but that would have been the time for some serious reprints with checklands, filters and painlands.
I would even settle for tribe specific lands like
Catnip Fields
Land - Cat Forest
Catnip Fields comes into play untapped if your commander is in the command zone
~ taps for G or W
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
This card would have to be templated:
Catnip Cover
Tribal Land - Cat Island
Cat isn't a land type, so you could need Tribal, which is obsolete.
Why don't they just do Legendary Dual Lands with no types in Commander?
Dual Land
Legendary Land
T: add W or U to your mana pool.
Making them legendary means they play great in a singleton format and don't invalidate every other dual in casual 60s, and their lack of fetchability makes them unlikely to see play in Legacy, and still makes the original duals better for EDH.
Dual Land
Legendary Land
T: add W or U to your mana pool.
Making them legendary means they play great in a singleton format and don't invalidate every other dual in casual 60s, and their lack of fetchability makes them unlikely to see play in Legacy, and still makes the original duals better for EDH.
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