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Magic: The Gathering |OT3| Enchantment Under the Siege
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manipulate
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How does M15 Jace's -3 help against Thoughtseize? I'm dumb and don't get it.
narcosis219
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-3 returns something to their hand. Thoughtseize can take it from their hand to the graveyard
manipulate
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Ohhhhh right, I getcha.
That's a lot of hate against Jundwalkers. Interesting meta deck.
Cosmo Clock 21
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I don't know if those clan mechanic uncommons are part of a cycle or what but I like them
You know, as a new player who wants to play competitively, I realize that Modern is probably easier to get into than Standard especially this close to rotation. Sure, the format is more expensive, less forgiving of mistakes and has many more archetypes. But at least the archetypes are largely established and there is a wealth of information and data out there to read and think about which helps improve your play. New sets don't tend to move the Modern meta too much as well.
Compare this to Standard where the meta can shift tremendously post-rotation and as a player with very limited experience (and wants to play control too lol), it's going to be really hard to settle on a deck post-rotation for FNMs until at least the first major event is held and the meta is established.
Compare this to Standard where the meta can shift tremendously post-rotation and as a player with very limited experience (and wants to play control too lol), it's going to be really hard to settle on a deck post-rotation for FNMs until at least the first major event is held and the meta is established.
Nikodemos
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Modern will hit you a lot harder in the wallet, though. A decent reasonably competitive Standard burn deck wasn't (I use past tense since we're so close to rotation) too expensive (apart for the shocklands) but Modern has a lot of pricy staples. True, they tend to stick around, unlike Standard cards (except if they end up banned or a strong hate card gets printed) but the upfront is bigger. And it's a fair bit harder to trade for them, especially as a new or returning player.
Modern burn is pretty cheap too.
Standard is far more interesting for deck brewers, since like you said, it's less established and therefore less punishing for new players. There are Game Days after every prereleases where it's very casual. I remember I went to one with a Grixis combo deck with no creatures and played against a Vampire tribal deck. Or one where I went with a nearly mono Valakut deck using my mountains as lightning bolts. That was fun. Sometimes you really hit it off, like discovering Swans of Bryn Argoll is an insane card drawing engine and works amazing with Seismic Assault.
Control might not be the most efficient when sets rotate out and in, but it's a brewer's paradise.
Standard is far more interesting for deck brewers, since like you said, it's less established and therefore less punishing for new players. There are Game Days after every prereleases where it's very casual. I remember I went to one with a Grixis combo deck with no creatures and played against a Vampire tribal deck. Or one where I went with a nearly mono Valakut deck using my mountains as lightning bolts. That was fun. Sometimes you really hit it off, like discovering Swans of Bryn Argoll is an insane card drawing engine and works amazing with Seismic Assault.
Control might not be the most efficient when sets rotate out and in, but it's a brewer's paradise.
Nikodemos
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Modern Burn got a bit of a setback after Punishing Fire got banned.
A burn deck won a Modern GP consisting of 2270 players just two weeks ago.
mtgdecks says the deck is worth $389. So if you're planning to play modern, be prepared to get burned. :lol
mtgdecks says the deck is worth $389. So if you're planning to play modern, be prepared to get burned. :lol
divisionbyzorro
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Burn has always been a very solid deck in Modern - the fetch + shock manabase helps a lot. The only reason you haven't seen a lot of results is because it's not a flashy deck and it doesn't have a lot of play to it. It's also pretty soft to lifegain; Kitchen Finks decks can really give it trouble.
acheron_xl
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I would love a card similar to Spike Cannibal for the Abzan that could move all the counters you store up to itself. Preferably a guy with Trample or Lifelink to function as a big finisher.
Good idea. It should also have morph with the counter-stealing as a turned-face-up trigger, for maximum surprise value. Of course, since this would let it kill a 2/2, it'll cost about 9 mana to turn face-up.
People in my area splashed black for Dark Confidant and Bump Into the Night, but they didn't get results. Someone did win a PTQ with Boros Burn in my area just recently, so it's probably the way forward. Boros Charm is busted. :lol
Sir Griffith
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Not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread or if it applies nationwide, but HEBs here in Houston are selling Theros block boosters for half off. Friend who works at one tipped me off. They're not labeled at the store, but once they ring up they're $1.99 each.
divisionbyzorro
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When Deathrite Shaman was legal, BR was absolutely the way to go; not just for Bump in the Night, but Shaman was just so powerful (essentially a "better" Grim Lavamancer).
Sweet! I'm going to have to check that out.
At risk of being too personal; where in Houston are you? Do you know which LGSs are good? I just moved back into the NW corner out on 290, and I don't know any of the stores in the area.
I used to live in Houston and I would think Asgard Games on Shepherd in the Kirby area would be the closest one to you.
Sir Griffith
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I'll say 8th dimension comics is a pretty good choice, it's in that area if I recall correctly. I just recently got back into MTG, so the stores I used to go to no longer exist :/
I'm betting on Mono Black Aggro for now though I am pretty sure the deck will suffer a lot after losing Mutavault. At least the Lifebane Zombies can be somewhat replaced with Master of the Feast,
divisionbyzorro
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Oh man! I loved cluestones! I'm so excited to see them coming back! I can't wait to draft this set now!
Said FUCKING NOBODY EVER
Thankfully, there are only 5 of them, in a set twice the size of DGM.
That Butcher looks really good.
The problem with the cluestones was that there were 10 of them in a small set, so every draft had like a million of them floating around.
There's only 5 of these in a large set, so they won't be nearly as annoying as cluestones during the draft. As cards these are also fine (as were the cluestones).
There's only 5 of these in a large set, so they won't be nearly as annoying as cluestones during the draft. As cards these are also fine (as were the cluestones).
Nikodemos
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Post-Theros rotation maybe?
Why would anyone play this over whip of erebos?
acheron_xl
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Why would anyone play this over whip of erebos?
Looks like a plant for an R&D member's Mimeoplasm EDH deck.
Well, at least they are giving you actual blowouts at 5 mana and common
"God's Beard!"
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Well, she buffs your mana dorks, I guess.
I'm glad they recognized just how damn obnoxious the Exalted Angel curveout was.
Exalted Angel was obnoxious in constructed.
Even without Astral Slide.I may need to make some Shard morphs for the 5c Cube. GTFO slivers.
Kaalia of the Vast just feels so natural here...
SigmasonicX
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Huh, it looks like Efreet Weaponmaster and Witness of the Ages were both from this week's Latest Developments article posted early. Considering that article was written under the assumption that the entire set would be available, I'm really surprised only those two cards were spoiled. Anyway,
Kheru Lich Lord would probably look better if Whip of Erebos wasn't in the same Standard, but it isn't bad. Butcher of the Horde looks really good! I even looked at it thinking there would be an implicit, "Activate this ability only once per turn," or "Activate only as a sorcery," but nope. I think the banners will be pretty nice to have; I didn't play limited during Return to Ravnica block, so I guess I don't have the same gag impulse that you guys have.
And this cycle from Dragon's Maze comes back:
Kheru Lich Lord would probably look better if Whip of Erebos wasn't in the same Standard, but it isn't bad. Butcher of the Horde looks really good! I even looked at it thinking there would be an implicit, "Activate this ability only once per turn," or "Activate only as a sorcery," but nope. I think the banners will be pretty nice to have; I didn't play limited during Return to Ravnica block, so I guess I don't have the same gag impulse that you guys have.
Interesting to see Efreet Weaponmaster at common. It should be nice to have around. Witness of the Ages is boring, but eh, artifact creature in a multicolor set.
This is a pretty nice card.
turn 3 rabblemaster -> turn 4 butcher of the horde
SigmasonicX
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As far as I can tell, only one person (on MTG Salvation) actually saw the article, and he just went straight for the spoiler cards.
This and Tymaret are a pretty good pair of sac outlets. Mardu tokens might be worth a look. People are going to try and force Athreos in there as well but I think given the creatures available the value comes from tokens not normal creatures.
t2 generator servant; t3 rabblemaster, attack; t4 sac servant, scuttling doom engine, attack; t5 butcher, sac token, attack, sac doom engine; 38 damage if i can math correctly.
SigmasonicX
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He's just a big ole sweetie.
I feel a Disney movie coming.
Anyway, I still hope we get a card like this:
Bear Change - 1U
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Exile target creature. Its owner puts a 4/4 green Bear creature token onto the battlefield.
Never tell a Temur warrior to fight with his bare hands.
He's just a big ole sweetie.
Pretty crazy what Broodmate Dragon got for 1 extra mana
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