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Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - Cruisin' Down the Street in my 6/4
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Also wonder if I should be running this in the SB for Gameday
The ideal scenario for chandra is to play her +1 her and use the extra mana to put a chump blocker into play or harnessed lightning something.
Her -3 is not really protection with all these vehicles making the rounds.
True but I was looking at Koth's untap a mountain. I rarely want to minus Koth since his emblem ends games so quickly.
The ideal scenario for chandra is to play her +1 her and use the extra mana to put a chump blocker into play or harnessed lightning something.
Her -3 is not really protection with all these vehicles making the rounds.
I wish I played the prediction game with y'all. My big prediction of the PT was that Saheeli Rai would see her time in the sun. I turned out to be wrong by that, which is a shame. I'd say from a quick glance that most of the 'walkers were surprisingly absent, aside from Dovin, who everyone seems down on anyway.
Being wrong about that was cushioned by my preorders of Aetherworks Marvel and Torrential Gearhulk, however, so props to all y'all for calling those out early. I'm rarely steered wrong in this thread with these things.
Being wrong about that was cushioned by my preorders of Aetherworks Marvel and Torrential Gearhulk, however, so props to all y'all for calling those out early. I'm rarely steered wrong in this thread with these things.
isn't red like the most played color right now?
Well, hard to say. First few weeks most people go aggro until people (usually the pro's) figure out midrange/control shells. Finals were two control decks that had U/R. So I guess we'll see. I still think red removal is pretty meh.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Harnessed Lightning is the best removal in the format...
All control decks were playing red, and most non aggro decks (Aetherworks/Colossus/Emerge) were playing red as well.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";220373313]Harnessed Lightning is the best removal in the format...[/QUOTE]
I'd go so far as to say that all the good removal is red (H.Lightning, Galvanic Bombardment, Unlicensed), the only good non red one is Declaration in Stone, and it's worse because it's a sorcery.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Only removal in red is good though.
charlequin
Banned
I mean, because she's card advantage, ramp, and creature destruction on a single planeswalker with a viable mana cost. The evaluation that says a planeswalker like that is worth a good look isn't wrong.
IIRC one of the developers mentioned that this was part of their thought process with her.
Yeah, I think the issue is that Chandra is at her core a red midrange card and that isn't really a deck role that's getting filled in the current environment. Red was the most played color but it was split between super-aggro decks (which aren't looking to pay 4 mana for a planeswalker) and one part of the suite in super-control decks (where Chandra's not as good contextually as other PW options in your colors.) To be good she needs a deck that'll have useful big spells for her to ramp into but enough non-reactive stuff that you don't lose much by having to play her exiled card immediately.
"God's Beard!"
Member
I get that Travis Woo is an impressionable person with thin skin, but that's also what leads to his success as a brewer. It's not like he's going around actively spreading maliciousness in the community, even when he's clearly got some wild ideas it's usually presented in the context of trying to understand something. Also, the whole hitler thing wasn't the problem. Most people recognize he was trying to figure out why people were attracted to him. The problem was that he started going on about jewish people controlling things which while presented neutrally was definitely out of line.
Travis Woo is weird, but he has personality outside of being a card shill which is rare in the community. Besides, he's just a great player.
It's always kind of bothered me which players get ostracized and which don't. You've got genuinely toxic personalities like Owen and Efro but nobody asks them to leave coverage. Hell, Owen was submitting half-blank articles to CFB not that long ago and he still gets whatever he wants. Owen is one of my favorite players, but still.
When I look at the magic content community, it's not much other than advertising and mild complaining. I'd prefer it if more people like Travis Woo who focus on positivity and creativity were allowed to contribute more. Because without people like him it's just articles about who cheated last week or how to fix the banlist in modern or what cards you should be buying. Probably why I like the stacks of booster boxes alpha investments guy on youtube so much, lots of stories about owning a store and such.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";220383209]When I look at the magic content community, it's not much other than advertising and mild complaining. I'd prefer it if more people like Travis Woo who focus on positivity and creativity were allowed to contribute more. Because without people like him it's just articles about who cheated last week or how to fix the banlist in modern or what cards you should be buying. Probably why I like the stacks of booster boxes alpha investments guy on youtube so much, lots of stories about owning a store and such.[/QUOTE]
This is why I adore SaffronOlive and everything he brings to the community (other than random price spikes because of his budget brews.)
This is why I adore SaffronOlive and everything he brings to the community (other than random price spikes because of his budget brews.)
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";220383209]I get that Travis Woo is an impressionable person with thin skin, but that's also what leads to his success as a brewer. It's not like he's going around actively spreading maliciousness in the community, even when he's clearly got some wild ideas it's usually presented in the context of trying to understand something. Also, the whole hitler thing wasn't the problem. Most people recognize he was trying to figure out why people were attracted to him. The problem was that he started going on about jewish people controlling things which while presented neutrally was definitely out of line.
Travis Woo is weird, but he has personality outside of being a card shill which is rare in the community. Besides, he's just a great player.
It's always kind of bothered me which players get ostracized and which don't. You've got genuinely toxic personalities like Owen and Efro but nobody asks them to leave coverage. Hell, Owen was submitting half-blank articles to CFB not that long ago and he still gets whatever he wants. Owen is one of my favorite players, but still.
When I look at the magic content community, it's not much other than advertising and mild complaining. I'd prefer it if more people like Travis Woo who focus on positivity and creativity were allowed to contribute more. Because without people like him it's just articles about who cheated last week or how to fix the banlist in modern or what cards you should be buying. Probably why I like the stacks of booster boxes alpha investments guy on youtube so much, lots of stories about owning a store and such.[/QUOTE]
I love brewers. I watch Seth better known as SaffronOlive many times a week with my girlfriend. I even liked Woo until the "maybe Hitler had a point" stuff. He's gotta prove he's past that, bottom line. He's bad for not just Magic, but everyone with thoughts like that out in the public sphere.
I'm not a huge fan of Efro or, to be honest, quite a few pros once stories start surfacing (many of their own telling). I'm sort of glad I'm not privy to more details, honestly.
Travis Woo is weird, but he has personality outside of being a card shill which is rare in the community. Besides, he's just a great player.
It's always kind of bothered me which players get ostracized and which don't. You've got genuinely toxic personalities like Owen and Efro but nobody asks them to leave coverage. Hell, Owen was submitting half-blank articles to CFB not that long ago and he still gets whatever he wants. Owen is one of my favorite players, but still.
When I look at the magic content community, it's not much other than advertising and mild complaining. I'd prefer it if more people like Travis Woo who focus on positivity and creativity were allowed to contribute more. Because without people like him it's just articles about who cheated last week or how to fix the banlist in modern or what cards you should be buying. Probably why I like the stacks of booster boxes alpha investments guy on youtube so much, lots of stories about owning a store and such.[/QUOTE]
I love brewers. I watch Seth better known as SaffronOlive many times a week with my girlfriend. I even liked Woo until the "maybe Hitler had a point" stuff. He's gotta prove he's past that, bottom line. He's bad for not just Magic, but everyone with thoughts like that out in the public sphere.
I'm not a huge fan of Efro or, to be honest, quite a few pros once stories start surfacing (many of their own telling). I'm sort of glad I'm not privy to more details, honestly.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I got most of the pieces for the Metallurgic Summoning deck now and have started brewing with a bit. Here's a neat synergy I might put into the sideboard
other cards I'm considering are
You get an insane amount of mana with the deck it so you can easily finish off an opponent with the card and the token if it's surged the X counts doubly for the summonings just surging it for 4 would make a 7/7
other cards I'm considering are
Royal_Flush
Member
Any predictions on when Aether Hub is going to drop? >1 can't be an appropriate price for an uncommon from this set, can it?
I mean, it's a four-of in pretty much every standard deck, so it might be a while before supply outstrips demand.
I just checked and it's $4.50 (CAD) on Facetoface. Crazy.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
So this is what I'm thinking right now.
Not sure for what kind of meta I should prepare for but I definitely want an unconditional counter right now. Maybe I'll go down some maindeck glimmers and would also like to have some artifact destruction.
Not sure for what kind of meta I should prepare for but I definitely want an unconditional counter right now. Maybe I'll go down some maindeck glimmers and would also like to have some artifact destruction.
Looks like it could use a white splash for Dovin.
I went the lazy route and changed it to look more closely to Shota's deck. Honestly happier with the changes.
Spells (36)
4 Anticipate
3 Harnessed Lightning
1 Tireless Tracker
2 Radiant Flames
3 Cultivator's Caravan
4 Galvanic Bombardment
3 Void Shatter
3 Glimmer of Genius
4 Metallurgic Summonings
3 Nissa's Renewal
4 Part the Waterveil
2 Negate
Lands (24)
4 Evolving Wilds
2 Forest
6 Island
5 Mountain
1 Lumbering Falls
2 Wandering Fumarole
2 Botanical Sanctum
2 Spirebluff Canal
Sideboard (15)
1 Ceremonious Rejection
2 Weaver of Lightning
1 Radiant Flames
2 Negate
3 Fevered Visions
2 Summary Dismissal
2 Thing in the Ice
2 Confiscation Coup
I found the ramping too slow, but left the Cultivator's Caravan in there as it can still be a threat late game and it can tap for any mana. As you probably saw in Shota's matches, playing the attrition game will net you plenty of mana, so again I didn't find additional ramp spells like Natural Connection necessary. Plus, since I'm more heavily blue now, I needed to cut down on green mana, so now I don't have to worry about getting one early for Natural Connection. Also, Caravan is an artifact.
I like the singleton copy of Tireless Tracker and may bump it up to 2. Getting clue stones helps reach 6 artifacts faster for Metallurgic Summonings activated ability.
Still messing around with the mana base to accommodate the changes. Probably just switch out the Evolving Wilds with Aether Hubs and call it a day.
Gonna mess around with this build for awhile and see how it goes. I wanna hear how your version turns out!
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Honestly, Travis's thing with the Hitler thing is that Travis is just a space case pothead. I have a tough time believing he's legitimately a neo-Nazi.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Did you watch the segment that got Woo fired? He didn't even want to talk about Hitler, the chat spurred him on and he prefaced it by saying that he's definitely not pro-nazi, he's definitely not anti-semetic and that the holocaust was a horrible reality that exterminated millions of people. He says that we were definitely right to join the war and stop the holocaust. He stops his story multiple times to explain that he's not advocating for any particular idea, he's just trying to figure out what caused everything during that time.
What he talks about is what he believed the perspective of the german people in post-WW1 germany was. He says he bought mein kampf because he wanted to see what caused WWII. Basically nothing he says in the 40-minute segment is his own opinion of jews or hitler.
He does go off on a weird tangent in the middle about how great the jewish culture is and how impressed he is by all the successful jewish people which is off his point, but ultimately nothing malicious. As for the book, he calls hitler's writing often irrational, angry, illogical and white supremacist and that he was successful not because of his own ability but because of the post-ww1 climate in germany.
I don't know why people think TWoo is some kind of Hitler sympathizer other than because he got banned for talking about mein kampf on a magic stream. He never said that hitler had "good" ideas, he said that his organizational ideas for controlling the country through propaganda were smart. Which they were.
The fact that people keep talking about TWoo like he thought hitler was a good guy or that he didn't think the holocaust happened is really frustrating because he says the opposite over and over during his story. All the things people talk about TWoo in terms of this stuff is almost completely wrong. He said he even wrote down not to talk about this stuff because people would log into his stream halfway through and completely misunderstand the point he was trying to get through.
He just thought it would be helpful to understand what makes evil people do evil things and to get that information he sought out their perspective. That's it. 100% of the hitler/WWII stuff he said on the stream was a non-issue in context. I get that a lot of it is confusing because he's also reading stream comments and going back and forth between ideas as he's rambling, but nothing about his hitler speech is too crazy.
Like people thought he said that Pearl Harbor had nothing to do with the US joining WWII, but he was replying to a comment on his stream and was trying to say that Pearl Harbor was unrelated to the point he was trying to make about the german political climate.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I like this idea makes it much more likely to resolve the metallurgic summonings which is quite essential. Cutting the 4 natural connection for some more interaction seems worth a try. Can even maindeck the torrential gearhulk like that.
Here are the "You make the Cube" finalists
Guillaume Matignon's Jennys/Johnnys Cube
Eric Klug's Pro Tour Cube
Simonot Timothée's Twisted Color Pie
Joseph Vasoli's Common Uncommon Cube
Guillaume Matignon's Jennys/Johnnys Cube
Eric Klug's Pro Tour Cube
Simonot Timothée's Twisted Color Pie
Joseph Vasoli's Common Uncommon Cube
"God's Beard!"
Member
They didn't like my mono-modular card cube lol
Gotta say that the tribal cube and peasant cube are pretty boring choices since they're already all over the place.
Gotta say that the tribal cube and peasant cube are pretty boring choices since they're already all over the place.
I never said he was. But if you're a professional representing a company via live stream maybe there are topics you smartly steer away from.
blindrocket
Member
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";220407285]Did you watch the segment that got Woo fired? He didn't even want to talk about Hitler, the chat spurred him on and he prefaced it by saying that he's definitely not pro-nazi, he's definitely not anti-semetic and that the holocaust was a horrible reality that exterminated millions of people. He says that we were definitely right to join the war and stop the holocaust. He stops his story multiple times to explain that he's not advocating for any particular idea, he's just trying to figure out what caused everything during that time.
What he talks about is what he believed the perspective of the german people in post-WW1 germany was. He says he bought mein kampf because he wanted to see what caused WWII. Basically nothing he says in the 40-minute segment is his own opinion of jews or hitler.
He does go off on a weird tangent in the middle about how great the jewish culture is and how impressed he is by all the successful jewish people which is off his point, but ultimately nothing malicious. As for the book, he calls hitler's writing often irrational, angry, illogical and white supremacist and that he was successful not because of his own ability but because of the post-ww1 climate in germany.
I don't know why people think TWoo is some kind of Hitler sympathizer other than because he got banned for talking about mein kampf on a magic stream. He never said that hitler had "good" ideas, he said that his organizational ideas for controlling the country through propaganda were smart. Which they were.
The fact that people keep talking about TWoo like he thought hitler was a good guy or that he didn't think the holocaust happened is really frustrating because he says the opposite over and over during his story. All the things people talk about TWoo in terms of this stuff is almost completely wrong. He said he even wrote down not to talk about this stuff because people would log into his stream halfway through and completely misunderstand the point he was trying to get through.
He just thought it would be helpful to understand what makes evil people do evil things and to get that information he sought out their perspective. That's it. 100% of the hitler/WWII stuff he said on the stream was a non-issue in context. I get that a lot of it is confusing because he's also reading stream comments and going back and forth between ideas as he's rambling, but nothing about his hitler speech is too crazy.
Like people thought he said that Pearl Harbor had nothing to do with the US joining WWII, but he was replying to a comment on his stream and was trying to say that Pearl Harbor was unrelated to the point he was trying to make about the german political climate.[/QUOTE]
Wow, reading your telling of what happened makes me realize that it seems most people were just framing an opinion based on internet group think and just joining a bandwagon of hate because of what it was assumed he did.
What he talks about is what he believed the perspective of the german people in post-WW1 germany was. He says he bought mein kampf because he wanted to see what caused WWII. Basically nothing he says in the 40-minute segment is his own opinion of jews or hitler.
He does go off on a weird tangent in the middle about how great the jewish culture is and how impressed he is by all the successful jewish people which is off his point, but ultimately nothing malicious. As for the book, he calls hitler's writing often irrational, angry, illogical and white supremacist and that he was successful not because of his own ability but because of the post-ww1 climate in germany.
I don't know why people think TWoo is some kind of Hitler sympathizer other than because he got banned for talking about mein kampf on a magic stream. He never said that hitler had "good" ideas, he said that his organizational ideas for controlling the country through propaganda were smart. Which they were.
The fact that people keep talking about TWoo like he thought hitler was a good guy or that he didn't think the holocaust happened is really frustrating because he says the opposite over and over during his story. All the things people talk about TWoo in terms of this stuff is almost completely wrong. He said he even wrote down not to talk about this stuff because people would log into his stream halfway through and completely misunderstand the point he was trying to get through.
He just thought it would be helpful to understand what makes evil people do evil things and to get that information he sought out their perspective. That's it. 100% of the hitler/WWII stuff he said on the stream was a non-issue in context. I get that a lot of it is confusing because he's also reading stream comments and going back and forth between ideas as he's rambling, but nothing about his hitler speech is too crazy.
Like people thought he said that Pearl Harbor had nothing to do with the US joining WWII, but he was replying to a comment on his stream and was trying to say that Pearl Harbor was unrelated to the point he was trying to make about the german political climate.[/QUOTE]
Wow, reading your telling of what happened makes me realize that it seems most people were just framing an opinion based on internet group think and just joining a bandwagon of hate because of what it was assumed he did.
To be fair I didn't watch it. But I remember it being talked about at great length here when it happened and I don't recall anyone having that opinion at the time. So that's all news to me. Still, I think there's lines you should stay away from as an intelligent professional.
phazedplasma
Member
Twoo witch hunt was sad. headline/outrage culture/reddit etc. Sucks for him. Dude is just too Woo for everyone.
Miss his streams
Miss his streams
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
That stream was so incoherent it wasn't worth anyone's time and that leaves an impression hard to get rid of.
Some freakin scumbag vandalized my lgs and totally smashed the glass door. Doesn't appear they stole anything, but it couldn't have happened to a nicer lgs. The owner isn't accepting donations, but is instead wanting to do $50 Eternal Masters drafts, which is about retail anyways. Most of us are game. I hope that vandalizer gets bolted! >;(
phazedplasma
Member
You're just not philosophical enough for twoo
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
MaRo said:
Would have made
0 Conductive Mox
Sacrifice an artifact: Get {E}{E}
{E}{E}, {T}: Add a mana of any colour to your mana pool
2 Energy or it'd be broken with Aether Hub and other 1 mana energy cards. This might still be too good, maybe it should be 3 energy.
Man why. No security footage? I hope they catch whoever it was
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I was a little surprised a Mox wasn't actually in Kaladesh, actually. If they weren't so gung-ho on ability words being part of the text, they could have reprinted Mox Opal (metalcraft is in Kaladesh, its just not given any kind of words). I doubt it would be good.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's worse than Lotus Petal because you can't play it turn 1 without any energy. You can only play it turn 1 with Aether Hub. The problem is that its basically Sol Ring in any deck that incidentally produces energy.
Moxen require you to jump through hoops or they're overpowered. Just having more than 0 energy isn't enough of one because they made the decision to make energy easy to get. I mean, something like:
Mox Amethyst
0
Artifact
T, E: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool. Activate this ability only if you have 4 or more energy counters.
might be more fair, but the problem with this card is what MaRo said - its not really a Mox if there's no possible way to use it on turn 1. You'd have to add a random rider clause like "T, pay E, Sacrifice Mox Amethyst: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool to make it good."
I think there were ways to do it, e.g. make it give mana but it takes ALL of your energy to tap, so its pretty damn good early on, but rapidly becomes too punishing to use.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Oh missed that interaction. It checks before the ETB resolves.
what? Lotus Petal gives mana of any colour, not diamonds.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That's not a Mox. Moxen kind of *have* to have the ability to tap for 1 mana on your opening turn, that's what makes them Moxen.
I think if it required you to pay ALL OF YOUR ENERGY for one mana, it would be printable. It would be basically a Mox in an incidental energy deck, and outright bad in decks who incidentally get energy for Harnessed Lightning or something. Like, "T, pay E: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool. You lose all energy counters."
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
0 Unstable Mox
Legendary Artifact
As an additional cost to cast Unstable Mox pay EEE
T: Add one mana of any colour to your mana pool
Legendary Artifact
As an additional cost to cast Unstable Mox pay EEE
T: Add one mana of any colour to your mana pool
0 Energy Mox
Leg Artifact
ETB, gain E.
At end of turn, sacrifice Energy Mox unless you pay E
E, T: Add one mana of any color
On its own it would only sustain itself and the onus is on you to keep feeding it
Otherwise you can use it as a one time lotus petal
This still might be broken as fuck though, you could power out shit like Kalitas on turn 2
Leg Artifact
ETB, gain E.
At end of turn, sacrifice Energy Mox unless you pay E
E, T: Add one mana of any color
On its own it would only sustain itself and the onus is on you to keep feeding it
Otherwise you can use it as a one time lotus petal
This still might be broken as fuck though, you could power out shit like Kalitas on turn 2
SigmasonicX
Member
Comander 2016 previews start next Monday
Given that, I'm amazed we know nothing at all about the characters involved.
And they got the message about bringing the entire Gatewatch together for everything.
Given that, I'm amazed we know nothing at all about the characters involved.
And they got the message about bringing the entire Gatewatch together for everything.
yesssssssssssss now this thread can be about CMD 2016
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