Is he really playing dumb? It's so obviously the intention.
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Magic: the Gathering - Shadows over Innistrad |OT| Blue's Clues
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Is he really playing dumb? It's so obviously the intention.
Having lightning bolt on the flip side makes flipping really nice, but +2/+2 vigilance and haste sounds really good too. Too bad you can't bolt someone when she comes into play, but that'd probably bee too good for a 4 mana walker.
I don't like her as much as flip Garruk, but she's still really nice.
I don't like her as much as flip Garruk, but she's still really nice.
There are a dozen green creatures in standard right now with Vigilance. It's a solidly green ability.
I was sarcastic. They've occasionally given green cards vigilance though. Slyvan Advocate and Tajuru Pathwarden come to mind as recent examples.
They've tried that a lot more lately. Historically it's really not the most traditional green ability though and I'm not sure about the flavor.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Now, give us back Kessig Wolf Run. Come on WotC. One thyme. Plz.
A Serious Man
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Almost makes me want to play RG. Almost.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Ajani Vengeant lets you bolt someone when it comes into play, but AV is one of the bestest walkers =S
Also, Vigilance has been green for a while now: see also Woodland Wanderer, Sylvan Advocate, Tajuru Pathwarden, etc. The funniest part is that you don't see very many Reach, Vigilance guys in green despite the obvious synergy of those two abilities. The only one I remember was the Spider from Origins.
What else do you give it though? Reach? That would be underwhelming and pretty defensive. Trample? Also kind of underwhelming. Vigilance works for this pretty well.
It's not trample because the backside has it.
Right. So I'm failing to see the issue. Vigilance is green and Haste is red -- both abilities are in color and enable an aggressive strategy. I like it a lot honestly.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The reason its weird is that MaRo keeps saying vigilance is secondary in green when its obviously primary in both white and green now given the number of green vigilance things. Haste and Vigilance are a good choice because it gives you more than 0 reason to ever be on the Human side of the card - you can bolt something off, play a big dude and swing with it.
Vigilance is easily one of the best abilities they could've chosen to combo with haste, so I'm glad they picked it. Nice to protect her and stay on the offense.
I wish her +1 on her wolf mode was a bit better. +1/+1 seems kinda lacking to me, even with trample. Maybe I'm just comparing her to Garruk Relentless spitting out Typhoid Wolves every turn though.
Simply Sarah
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The front +1 really benefits from Vigilance because otherwise when dropped on turn 4 it might as well read "+1: Do nothing".
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's an interesting design because her + on the human side is probably better in general than her +1 on the wolf side, so it creates some strategic depth as to what you do with the card. Her wolf+1 is a pretty funny combo with Atarka's Command, also.
I love how open he is about some stuff but I can't stand how obtuse he is about other stuff. It totally is primary in green and white, you're right -- secondary my ass. But you know he's going to keep saying it anyway.
charlequin
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Much like prowess it's probably not in the very next set (Lock, in this case) so they don't want to confirm it until next Spring's block when they add it back in.
No way, remember how dumb every single creature cycle ever was when it was just first strike/flying/fear/haste/trample in that order? This is much better.
Vigilance is white and green, it's not in blue.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Domri Rade and her play together nice, too. Add in Thragtusk, Wolf Run, Huntmaster...baby, you got a T3 modern deck a brewing!
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
R/G Tokens with Nissa into Arlinn =V
Funnily enough, I think Arlinn has pretty good synergy going up the chain with Chandra, Flamecaller too since Chandra's dumb elementals don't have Trample.
Funnily enough, I think Arlinn has pretty good synergy going up the chain with Chandra, Flamecaller too since Chandra's dumb elementals don't have Trample.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
charlequin
Banned
Yeah, I think there are certainly some games where you're just going to sit there jacking her up and throwing hasty guys at the opponent every turn for a while.
There are ten green cards with the word "vigilance" in the last three years, and 33 white cards.
Yeah that was one of the first things I thought about. Solid base for a R/G midrange/aggro deck.
Then it's secondary, fine. But it's still fine on this planeswalker as the green ability.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I get what you're saying about vigilance, but I don't think it actually started getting vigilance frequently until less than three years ago and I seem to recall seeing it to compensate for Reach being bad on a few creatures. It's possible that its just that the creatures with Vigilance in green are more memorable to me for whatever reason in this block (Pathwarden, Sylvan Advocate, Woodland Wanderer, the land dude in OGW). But it still seems like I'm seeing it more frequently than I would expect for something to be "secondary."
Infinite Stars
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Odric seems good in a White Weenie Deck, but I'm probably biased. Using him and Archangel as a Top end, you can swing with Indestructible Flying First Strike guys on turn 4.
True. Her human +1 is much better, but then you aren't transforming and bolting dudes if you use it. I'm still not sure which I'd rather be doing with her. I do like how her first abilities work better for different playstyles though. One for single large creatures and one for a group of small dudes/tokens.
I'm way more impressed with her than I was with Domri, but good flip cards always impress me.
Angry Grimace
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I think you all know the score here:
T1 Land
T2 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
T3 Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
T4 Arlinn Kord // Arlinn, Embraced by the Moon
T5 Sarkhan Unbroken
T6 Chandra, Flamecaller
=V
T1 Land
T2 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
T3 Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
T4 Arlinn Kord // Arlinn, Embraced by the Moon
T5 Sarkhan Unbroken
T6 Chandra, Flamecaller
=V
divisionbyzorro
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Arlinn is the most skill testing Planeswalker we've had in maybe...ever.
GregLombardi
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seems quite good
This is absolutely excellent. Going to be played wherever it can be.
There's certainly a lot of (potentially) good abilities on both sides of the card.
Macabre Waltz reprint, with new art:
So apparently Liliana is also around in SOI, I thought she'd make her entrance in Eldritch Moon.
I love William Murai, great art
It's like haste in green. Green is technically 3rd in haste, but development likes to put the little bit of haste that green gets onto constructed cards, so it seems more prominent than it actually is. The same is the case with Vigilance.
This art is amazing. I love it.Macabre Waltz reprint, with new art:
So apparently Liliana is also around in SOI, I thought she'd make her entrance in Eldritch Moon.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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She's like these 3 combined. Just much less versatile since you have to spend a turn flipping her back and forth.
divisionbyzorro
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't think its as complicated as it looks; it just has a lot of options based on the board state.
But I think the majority of the time the play line when you first drop Arlinn is to make a Wolf and then consider your options from there based on the board. The only time you're going to realistically + when she comes out is if you have a board stall and a guy who can swing in and still defend and you think you can threaten lethal the next turn with a hasty guy. She certainly doesn't win you the game when you're behind, but that's a trait that's limited to the 6 mana+ walkers these days.
Otherwise there's very little reason to + because you threaten the same amount of additional power with a 0 then a plus if you have another guy and the - on the flipside is so good. In a normal situation in standard I would be not surprised if the most common play line is alternating 0s and -1s until Arlinn dies.
But I think the majority of the time the play line when you first drop Arlinn is to make a Wolf and then consider your options from there based on the board. The only time you're going to realistically + when she comes out is if you have a board stall and a guy who can swing in and still defend and you think you can threaten lethal the next turn with a hasty guy. She certainly doesn't win you the game when you're behind, but that's a trait that's limited to the 6 mana+ walkers these days.
Otherwise there's very little reason to + because you threaten the same amount of additional power with a 0 then a plus if you have another guy and the - on the flipside is so good. In a normal situation in standard I would be not surprised if the most common play line is alternating 0s and -1s until Arlinn dies.
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Simply Sarah
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Hey, if that's 'all' she's ends up doing I'll take it. The +1s are always there to make use of if the situation calls for it (I think the front +1 has slightly more use than you're giving it credit for). And her ultimate is, uh, printed on the card.
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