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[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Always thought it weird that green got that effect. Green does have card draw but not particularly good one.

In Limited this card is reasonably a 4/4 at best, it replaces itself though

Edit: nvm read the flipside proper, dayum.

 

[charlequin]

Have there been any other cards with power/toughness based on the number of cards in every player's hand before?

Nope.

 

[CeruleanSilver]

I really like the art on both sides.

Agreed! I don't think the card is super good, but the art makes me want to play it. And hey, maybe I can make a janky deck that includes Fascination

I basically only play kitchen table Magic, so such things are possible

 

[SigmasonicX]

Nope.

Turns out there have.

EDIT: Sort of fits.

 

[CeruleanSilver]

Always thought it weird that green got that effect. Green does have card draw but not particularly good one.

It's good that Magic spreads out strengths between colors. It makes deckbuilding more of a challenge, which is the fun part for me anyways.

 

[charlequin]

Turns out there have.

Huh. Dammit. I'm a dope.

EDIT: Realm Seekers doesn't count though.

 

[Toxi]

Agreed! I don't think the card is super good, but the art makes me want to play it. And hey, maybe I can make a janky deck that includes Fascination

Use Prosperity, it's better.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

It's good that Magic spreads out strengths between colors. It makes deckbuilding more of a challenge, which is the fun part for me anyways.

Sure but green is the colour that has the most creatures making cards with those effects redundant.

 

[CeruleanSilver]

Use Prosperity, it's better.

Thanks for the help, but me and my friends have a sealed league, so I play with the jank I have, not the jank I need!

 

[charlequin]

nathnorb asked: With there being 4 walkers in SoI, are you still sticking to the "5 walkers a block" plan? Meaning there will only be 1 planeswalker in EDM?

5 per block is the default.

Carefully phrased there.

 

[kirblar]

If Jace is pretty obviously poopy, chances are high Tamiyo got a card next set.

 

[Angry Grimace]

If Jace is pretty obviously poopy, chances are high Tamiyo got a card next set.

Wouldn't it make more sense to make Jace not bad

 

[kirblar]

Wouldn't it make more sense to make Jace not bad

Every time they do that he tends to be stupid good.

 

[Lazy vs Crazy]

Nahiri is a Stoneforge Mystic.

Much like Gerrard Capashen is a Master of Arms.

(Real story is that Nahiri looking like Stoneforge Mystic is just a cute callback to a popular card)

For reference this card's ability used to actually do something. In the early years tapped blockers did not deal damage.

 

[charlequin]

If Jace is pretty obviously poopy, chances are high Tamiyo got a card next set.

I think it's pretty likely anyway. It's one thing to do a story like BFZ and have Ugin (who we just saw and who is vital to the ongoing metaplot) show up on the side without a card, it's another to have Tamiyo (who we only ever saw once) show up randomly and get no second card, like... they could just leave her out entirely if that was gonna be the deal.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I just noticed that we have a demon and a dragon walker by now, high time for an Angel walker.

I need my flavour.

 

[charlequin]

I just noticed that we have a demon and a dragon walker by now, high time for an Angel walker.

Once they do this (which, lore problems aside, is an inevitability at some point), and they eventually print a card for Crucius the sphinx planeswalker, four of the five iconics will have PW representatives. Poor hydras.

 

[Taramoor]

Once they do this (which, lore problems aside, is an inevitability at some point), and they eventually print a card for Crucius the sphinx planeswalker, four of the five iconics will have PW representatives. Poor hydras.

Vraska's head is kind of a hydra.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Once they do this (which, lore problems aside, is an inevitability at some point), and they eventually print a card for Crucius the sphinx planeswalker, four of the five iconics will have PW representatives. Poor hydras.

Hydras are iconic? I know there is one every other set but they are so boring. Dragons need another walker even since neither of the two is even in particularly dragony colour combinations/absences

 

[The Technomancer]

Hydras are iconic? I know there is one every other set but they are so boring.

Its the best option they were able to find for green after looking for like, a decade

Eh, I like Hydras

 

[Joe Molotov]

Squee needs to get his spark in Return to Dominaria.

 

[Ashodin]

I want a male white guy that becomes an angel planeswalker

DO IT

WAIT

I DID IT

(this is a fake duders)

 

[charlequin]

Hydras are iconic?

Angel, sphinx, demon, dragon, hydra.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I want a male white guy that becomes an angel planeswalker

DO IT

WAIT

I DID IT

(this is a fake duders)

That's just Sorin and/or Elspeth

Its the best option they were able to find for green after looking for like, a decade

Eh, I like Hydras

There's got to be something better aside from Genesis hydra they never seem to do anything exciting.

Angel, sphinx, demon, dragon, hydra.

Nice, meh, good, great, bad

 

[charlequin]

There's got to be something better

There is not, and besides that one Hooded Hydra, Managorger Hydra, and Polukranos are some other cool hydras from recent memory.

 

[Ashodin]

That's just Sorin and/or Elspeth

Man whatever you gotta start with a base

 

[Yeef]

There is not, and besides that one Hooded Hydra, Managorger Hydra, and Polukranos are some other cool hydras from recent memory.

Sphinx''s Revelhydra is a pretty cool design too.

 

[TheYanger]

There is not, and besides that one Hooded Hydra, Managorger Hydra, and Polukranos are some other cool hydras from recent memory.

Bears are better, they just refuse to do it

 

[charlequin]

Man whatever you gotta start with a base

Yeah but you want to stay away from the stuff that feels really, really similar.

Stuff that's very white, angel-y, and pretty distinct from existing white PWs:

• 4/4 flying angel tokens
• Return target creature from your graveyard to play
• Gaining life, esp. about creatures or something
• Flickering
• Oblivion Ringing
• Granting lifelink and vigilance
• (etc.)

 

[Infinite Stars]

Yeah but you want to stay away from the stuff that feels really, really similar.

Stuff that's very white, angel-y, and pretty distinct from existing white PWs:

• 4/4 flying angel tokens
• Return target creature from your graveyard to play
• Gaining life, esp. about creatures or something
• Flickering
• Oblivion Ringing
• Granting lifelink and vigilance
• (etc.)

Ajani gave Lifelink/Vigilance in Steadfast, IIRC, and Venser gave Flickering.

Revised Dude, maybe 2WW:
+2 Until your next turn, target creature you control gets +2/+2, flying, and is an Angel in addition to its other types.
-3 Put a 4/4 Angel with flying that has "When this creature ETBs, Exile target permanent until X leaves the battlefield"
-8 You get an emblem with "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may return a creature card from your graveyard to play."

3

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Sphinx''s Revelhydra is a pretty cool design too.

There is not, and besides that one Hooded Hydra, Managorger Hydra, and Polukranos are some other cool hydras from recent memory.

It's just that it always has to be counters and that they don't represent the "cut 1 head of 2 heads will grow in its place" thing very well. That should mean they are hard to kill imo and hydras are usually anything but. They aren't particularly mana efficient either and don't even get evasion as a baseline like all the other iconics do.

Thinking about evasion why do all iconics fly?

Ajani gave Lifelink/Vigilance in Steadfast, IIRC, and Venser gave Flickering.

Revised Dude, maybe 2WW:
+2 Until your next turn, target creature you control gets +2/+2, flying, and is an Angel in addition to its other types.
-3 Put a 4/4 Angel with flying that has "When this creature ETBs, Exile target permanent until X leaves the battlefield"
-8 You get an emblem with "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may return a creature card from your graveyard to play."

3

I'd like a

Dudeangel 2WW

+3 Choose first strike, vigilance, or lifelink. Until end of turn creatures you control get the ability of your choice.
-4 Put an enchantment token into play that has "When this enters the battlefield, exile target nonland permanent an opponent controls until this leaves the battlefield."
-8 Until your next turn you can't lose the game, damage that would reduce your life total to less than 1 reduces it to 1 instead.

5

 

["God's Beard!"]

A Hydra planeswalker would be so cool, though. You could definitely play around with some new ideas.

 

[Ashodin]

Yeah but you want to stay away from the stuff that feels really, really similar.

Stuff that's very white, angel-y, and pretty distinct from existing white PWs:

• 4/4 flying angel tokens
• Return target creature from your graveyard to play
• Gaining life, esp. about creatures or something
• Flickering
• Oblivion Ringing
• Granting lifelink and vigilance
• (etc.)

K.

It was a shotgun design at first, need to clean up the bullet pattern more.

 

[CeruleanSilver]

I forget if anyone posted it or not yet, but either way, this art is just badass:

That's for the not yet officially spoiled Lamplighter of Selhoff.

I guess this sets aside Clint Cearley's sin for creating that obnoxiously silly Syncopate art.

 

[Firemind]

If Ugin is a dragon, I'm an orc.

I always thought wurms were green's iconic creature, since hydras were actually more common in red. Treefolk PWs like Multani would be rad. Hydras are boring as hell.

 

[shrapnelmagnet]

I still like the idea of a multi-walker Planeswalker card that we were speculating on a while back. I def think it's a thing they'll do at some point.

 

[Wichu]

If Ugin is a dragon, I'm an orc.

Good job he's not the only Dragon Planeswalker then!

 

[G.ZZZ]

Hadn't seen this posted:

Each vampire creature card you own that isn't on the battlefield has Madness. Its Madness cost is equal to its mana cost. (If you discard a card with Madness, you may play it for its madness cost instead of putting it into your graveyard.)

1cmc 2/1 red creature with no drawbacks, hnnnnnnggggg.

Cute, but in older formats the only vampire i see this giving madness to is itself. Which isn't that bad, but a 2/1 for R is just so bad nowadays when things like Goblin Guide and Monastery BalancedSpear exist.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I still like the idea of a multi-walker Planeswalker card that we were speculating on a while back. I def think it's a thing they'll do at some point.

Really disliked that idea.

If Ugin is a dragon, I'm an orc.

I always thought wurms were green's iconic creature, since hydras were actually more common in red. Treefolk PWs like Multani would be rad. Hydras are boring as hell.

It's kinda in the name, does that make you an Uruk hai. Green gotta have something better than big thing for lots of mana. It'd actually be interesting if you could make an iconic creature type out of something more midrangey.

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";198368423]A Hydra planeswalker would be so cool, though. You could definitely play around with some new ideas.

[/QUOTE]

And that's why you have to specify nontoken.

 

[shrapnelmagnet]

Really disliked that idea.

Just think it's a cool way to do a multicolour Planeswalker without having to justify a multicolour alignment lore-wise or whatever.

 

[red13th]

Oh my, I love that 2/1 Vampire. Instant add, cutting Monastery Swiftspear for it.
Art is so good in this set too I love basically everything.

 

["God's Beard!"]

And that's why you have to specify nontoken.

It's deliberate, he's a hydra! The whole point is that the heads grow back!

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Just think it's a cool way to do a multicolour Planeswalker without having to justify a multicolour alignment lore-wise or whatever.

I'd rather they make more PWs altogether.

 

["God's Beard!"]

that's more than broken with a sac outlet.

Shrug. It's an ultimate. It's not even close to the strongest one. I should probably make it so it's not free off doubling season, but I don't see a reason to change the effect. His -x is significantly more busted anyway.

 

[Santiako]

Hadn't seen this posted:

Each vampire creature card you own that isn't on the battlefield has Madness. Its Madness cost is equal to its mana cost. (If you discard a card with Madness, you may play it for its madness cost instead of putting it into your graveyard.)

1cmc 2/1 red creature with no drawbacks, hnnnnnnggggg.

Man, and I used to win tourneys with Jackal Pups.

 

[V_Arnold]

I want to build a standard deck that is going to be revolving around Nahiri
She is my new favorite, and I hope she wont be in the 40-50$ range for MTGO. I am hoping for a $10-15 start.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

My Zur deck becoming a deck that actually wins instead of just being a thorn in the side

 

[El Topo]

.

Does anyone actually like Maro variants? Garbage card.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

Does anyone actually like Maro variants? Garbage card.

EDH players.

 

[El Topo]

EDH players.

Oh, right. I always forget that format. I guess maybe Maro variants are played there? Still a bad card in anything else.