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Magic: the Gathering - Shadows over Innistrad |OT| Blue's Clues
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Is there no spellslinger support in cubes that could use TItI
A Serious Man
Member
Duke and Rietzl need to be a commentating pair for any event they're not competing in.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
EMA box was a bit of a strikeout. I mean, my MM2015 box with nothing but an Emrakul and 1 Remand was worse, but it certainly didn't total up to anything particularly great, even with 4 Mythics, because the set is loaded with mythics not worth anything. (Argothian Enchantress, Chrome Mox, Chrome Mox (Foil), Natural Order).
I guess you could say it was more of a sacrifice bunt.
I guess you could say it was more of a sacrifice bunt.
SigmasonicX
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Magic Story: Stone and Blood - Flashback. Nahiri goes to Innistrad and sees the Helvault. She talks to Sorin, and Sorin says it's possible he didn't get Nahiri's message about the Eldrazi nearly breaking out because of the protections he placed on the plane. He didn't consider it at the time, but he now realizes it was a possibility. Nahiri is angry that he did this without considering the promise he made to protect Zendikar. Sorin tells Nahiri to go bother Ugin instead of him, and he has no patience for this.
Nahiri attacks Sorin, and Sorin says, "It's all on you that we're now enemies." They fight a bit. Nahiri once again asks him to come with her, and he's like, "Now? Can't you wait like... a couple of days?" Nahiri realizes that while sealing the Eldrazi was her life's work, for Sorin, it was just a mild exertion that he stopped caring about once his part in it was over. Nahiri thinks that to make things right, she'll have to defeat Sorin to gain his respect so he'll finally take the situation on Zendikar seriously.
Avacyn attacks her, they fight a bit, Sorin intervenes, and seals Nahiri in the Helvault.
In the Helvault, Nahiri is unable to planeswalk away, or see or hear anything. After a while, she's like, "Oh Sorin, you rapscallion, I think I've learned my lesson. You can let me out now." But he doesn't. To entertain herself, she creates models of places in Zendikar in her mind.
Over time, demons start joining her in the Helvault, though they seem to just be far-off sounds for her. Sometimes they would come close and brush against her, but they never seemed to actually see her. It kept on like this until Avacyn was sealed in the Helvault during the events of original Innistrad, and then the Helvault broke.
When Nahiri is released, she's overwhelmed by the return of light and sound, and she notices that she can no longer will her wounds healed. She's back to having a mortal body, due to the change in the nature of the planeswalker spark. She immediately tries to planeswalk, and while it's harder than it used to be, she succeeds. She returns to Zendikar and finds that the Eldrazi have broken out, and she's all like, "Fuck you Sorin."
Also, we have a new dumb fantasy exclamation, "Stone and sky!"
Nahiri attacks Sorin, and Sorin says, "It's all on you that we're now enemies." They fight a bit. Nahiri once again asks him to come with her, and he's like, "Now? Can't you wait like... a couple of days?" Nahiri realizes that while sealing the Eldrazi was her life's work, for Sorin, it was just a mild exertion that he stopped caring about once his part in it was over. Nahiri thinks that to make things right, she'll have to defeat Sorin to gain his respect so he'll finally take the situation on Zendikar seriously.
Avacyn attacks her, they fight a bit, Sorin intervenes, and seals Nahiri in the Helvault.
In the Helvault, Nahiri is unable to planeswalk away, or see or hear anything. After a while, she's like, "Oh Sorin, you rapscallion, I think I've learned my lesson. You can let me out now." But he doesn't. To entertain herself, she creates models of places in Zendikar in her mind.
Over time, demons start joining her in the Helvault, though they seem to just be far-off sounds for her. Sometimes they would come close and brush against her, but they never seemed to actually see her. It kept on like this until Avacyn was sealed in the Helvault during the events of original Innistrad, and then the Helvault broke.
When Nahiri is released, she's overwhelmed by the return of light and sound, and she notices that she can no longer will her wounds healed. She's back to having a mortal body, due to the change in the nature of the planeswalker spark. She immediately tries to planeswalk, and while it's harder than it used to be, she succeeds. She returns to Zendikar and finds that the Eldrazi have broken out, and she's all like, "Fuck you Sorin."
Also, we have a new dumb fantasy exclamation, "Stone and sky!"
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I continue to be surprised at how explicit they make the consequences of the Mending. The whole "change in the nature of planeswalking" always felt like a patch to allow them to print them on cards, and I would have expected them to basically be ignoring the historicity of godlike planeswalkers at this point.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It always made for poor story to have a PW do anything in mtg.
Quote?
It was used as an example alongside the split cards.
We know there was a test print of a double-sized Endbringer.
BFG flip Emrakul is probably happening.
The fucking salt will be glorious
And my suspicions could be confirmed true - that Eldrazi Titans who are killed release their power into the Blind Eternities, where Emrakul ate it all and became MASSIVE
It seems like kind of a long con for Maro to include B.F.G in his speech at GDC in March to then include it in this article to act as a teaser for a thing.
Also I'm having hard time to imagine a version of that pair of cards that is some version of "if you control cards named X + Y, transform and combine them" that isn't a nonbo with Nahiri's ultimate. But hey, it'd certainly be interesting to see.
Also I'm having hard time to imagine a version of that pair of cards that is some version of "if you control cards named X + Y, transform and combine them" that isn't a nonbo with Nahiri's ultimate. But hey, it'd certainly be interesting to see.
Well think about it. Nahiri's ultimate lets you get a creature OR artifact. What if the artifact is the moon, and the creature is a sacrifice of some sort?
This totally seems like something Rosewater would get a kick out of.
SigmasonicX
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June 20 will have a video promo for Eldritch Moon, where a host talks to MaRo about the set and previews some cards. Promo for the promo. Maybe Access Magic will be a new video series, since they label it as Episode 1.
2 and 3 come out the next 2 mondays.
It's the fact that it returns it to your hand, so you'd get one half, flip and combine it, attack with it (if half a card having haste gives the whole card haste), and then return half of it to your hand?
Also a ton of rules scenarios and weirdness for two permanents combining together is in my head and it seems rough. If each half has temporary effects applied to it does that happen to the whole creature? Does it just become a brand new thing? What if one half phases out?!?
Hmm, you actually could fix all these problems, including the Nahiri thing, with the Flipwalker tech where the pair exiles itself, then transforms, then enters the battlefield as a single object. That'd be a fairly elegant solution. Though what is it's CMC? Combo of both backside cards?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
How would it even conform to the rules? Does it count as one permanent or 2, if I destroy one half does the other die as well. Does it have the CMC of either frontside, what if I engineered explosives for enough for 1 side but not the other. If it flips instead of exiling what if there's a static effect on one side does it affect the whole thing,...
The text to bring it in line sounds just too improbable.
The text to bring it in line sounds just too improbable.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't get why you would do it other than a gimmick in a set with Transform cards.
Infinite Stars
Member
I'm thinking that we'd get something like this
Totally Fake Eldritch Moon 13
Legendary Artifact
When ~ ETBs, You may search your library for a card called "Drownyard Portal" and put it into play.
If ~ would LTB, instead Transform it and "Drownyard Portal".
Emrakul, The One Foretold
Legendary Creature-Eldrazi Horror
~ Can't be blocked except by 13 or more creatures.
Flying
20/20
Drownyard Portal
Artifact
Tap: Add CC to your Mana pool.
6CC, Sacrifice ~: Search your library for up to 2 Horror Cards, then put them into play. Shuffle your library.
Totally Fake Eldritch Moon 13
Legendary Artifact
When ~ ETBs, You may search your library for a card called "Drownyard Portal" and put it into play.
If ~ would LTB, instead Transform it and "Drownyard Portal".
Emrakul, The One Foretold
Legendary Creature-Eldrazi Horror
~ Can't be blocked except by 13 or more creatures.
Flying
20/20
Drownyard Portal
Artifact
Tap: Add CC to your Mana pool.
6CC, Sacrifice ~: Search your library for up to 2 Horror Cards, then put them into play. Shuffle your library.
charlequin
Banned
I like how they manage to show the scene we saw before in a different light without actually changing any of the dialogue. This story really casts an effective light on just how tragic and miserable her story is -- she spends thousands of years dedicated to protecting her home plane, the people who promised to help her with that renege on that promise, she gets tossed in magical jail -- then that plane gets basically destroyed anyway, and in the interim she loses the power that could've helped restore Zendikar and the years that could have been spent making up for the ones wasted. The timing works out very well to have her freed from the Helvault just in time to go see a horribly devastated Zendikar but start her revenge plan well before any other PWs go back to try to fix things. It's noticeable here how Nahiri's feelings of betrayal by Sorin mirror Avacyn's, even as the former also works to destroy the latter. It all just comes together very nicely.
Also, Sorin sucks, #teamnahiri all the way.
How are they going to ignore it? It's like 70% of the game's history and they spent a whole block's story on changing it. Like four characters have it as an intrinsic part of their backstory.
Not that I'm necessarily co-signing this theory (I think they will definitely do BFG cards eventually, just not sure this is the right time/execution and I think EDM's Emrakul has to be something Nahiri can fetch with her ultimate) but this is exactly the kind of shit Rosewater does constantly, drop little only-in-retrospect hints about stuff he can't talk about yet.
The idea of combining two cards into something has a natural appeal and the balancing factor of having to get both lets you create some things that are way outside what you could normally print on a single card. It makes sense why someone might try to do the mechanic. I do think the best execution of it I've heard of is the rejected one from NPH where there's a bunch of left and right sides and any left side can go with any right side, though.
Sorin's only crime is his absolute lack of sympathy. He didn't renig on her promise. The circumstances were that the info didn't get to him. She could have forgave him for that. But she's red so grrrrrrrrrr or whatever.
Ugin's only crime was being dead/being basically dead.
I'm sympathetic to Nahiri's situation, but man, she's a bad friend.
Ugin's only crime was being dead/being basically dead.
I'm sympathetic to Nahiri's situation, but man, she's a bad friend.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Meh, he kind of has it coming. I'm not sure how you think he didn't reneg on his deal - he made it pretty clear that not only did he not fucken care, he didn't plan to care in the future. Like, if Sorin had put literally any points into Paragon or Renegade he could have talked his way out of that situation. Instead he's been around for 10,000 years and hit level 85, but put all of his skill points into traps and summoning pets.
Infinite Stars
Member
Sorin is probably going to die, but he'll have one last moment of glory before he dies. Like uplifting Sigarda to be the new guardian of Innistrad's Humans, with hopefully her nature not resulting in another Avacyn.
Seeming more likely by the day.
I love Orzhov, but goddamn if he isn't a bastard representation
Not that Orzhov have been doing that well lately.
Seriously how can you go from
to
to
It's like I've landed in Ghostbusters or something.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Cardwise isnlt the latter the strongest by far though?
Let's walk through it.
- Nahiri lit the bat signal
- No one answered
- The problem is solved
- She tracks down Sorin to ask why
- Sorin had a valid excuse
- Nahiri stays butthurt
Pretty cut and dry.
Now, she can be upset that he has no sympathy or doesn't care all she likes I guess, He is 100% dismissive, which is really what her issue was after he explained himself. But I don't get mad at a baby for crying or a tree for having leaves. Most times you gotta accept people for who they are.
He reminds her that they are friends. She decides fighting him is a better course of action.
Her being mad about being trapped? She started the fight.
Her being mad about the Eldrazi wrecking her world? More Jace/Chandra/Nissa/Sarkhan/Bolas' fault. Hell its even more her fault than his due to her hubris in fighting him.
He's a dick, no question. But she's the bigger asshole in all of this in my opinion.
Oh yeah sure but do we have to have Ghostbusters aesthetic going with it? Card looks like a scene from the movie.
This art is so weird, at first I thought his sword was super long before I noticed the blade itself
also rofl at Avacyn strumming her lance like a guitar in the background, epic solo while Nahiri gets entombed
charlequin
Banned
Like, if I go out and you say you'll have your phone on and pick me up when I need a ride, then you turn it off and I can't get in touch with you and have to sleep in the garbage outside, that's your fault.
Also, even putting that aside, he could have been a jerk about that, but then gone along with Nahiri to check out Zendikar as a conciliatory gesture. He didn't even want to do that, which really makes him a jerk.
"I didn't care about fulfilling my promise so I did a bunch of shit that made it practically impossible for me to do so" is not a valid excuse.
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
brains
It's more like he went into the basement to work on shit and didn't know he didn't have reception. Then when he thought about it, it kinda made sense that would happen, but he didn't consider it before. It's a lot less shitty than straight turning your phone off on purpose.
He absolutely should have gone with her. But again, she should know how he is by now, they spent 50 years together. Later she even rationalized how little she meant by realizing how short their time together was from his standpoint with it being a blink of an eye to him. Again, she should know better what to expect from him.
As for the last part, again, he didn't do it on purpose. It sucks, but it was more a mistake than a callous move.
Disregarding the evidence of the test print cards for a moment (which showed one normal card double-sized & chopped into two halves), I think the Eldrazi are flexible enough, if they wanted to appy NPH's original living weapon concept on them, they won't have much trouble fitting it into the fiction. For example, they can use it to represent Eldrazi merging with Innistrad's inhabitants, with one side always an Innistrad host (flipped from a creature), and another side the Eldrazi parasite (flipped from an enchantment, or judging by Nahiri, an equipment or a cryptolith-like artifact). It can also represent Ulamog and Kozilek merging with Emrakul.
In any case, Ken Nagle led the design of NPH, and IIRC came up with the living weapon idea. If BFG cards are to return, they would more likely than not to show up when Ken Nagle is the lead designer again, which happens fairly regularly, EMN included.
charlequin
Banned
Oh yeah. Like I said, I'm not affirmatively convinced that this is when and where that happens, but it's certainly a plausible expansion of the mechanics and something they could make work flavor-wise. Nahiri's ultimate is really the only serious thing that gives me pause about this applying to Emrakul.
what world do you live in where someone who promises to answer the phone and then goes down to the basement where they don't get reception doesn't owe you a big apology
This man is trying to explain you THINK ABOUT THAT SHIT before you do something like that, especially if you have only ONE REAL FRIEND haha
Well I mean when it takes someone 5,000 years to call, you might, by some small chance, have other shit going on, too. She wondered if he was dead. Maybe he thought she was, too?
Look, I'm not defending the action. He explained it and owned up to it, and honestly probably "apologized" as much as Sorin Markov ever would. I never said it wasn't dickish and I never said he wasn't wrong. He's very clearly always been written as a dick.
My point is that her actions were ill-advised, childish and flat out stupid, and because of this, I feel like she brought her imprisonment on directly and the subsequent Eldrazi apocalypse on indirectly. She was expecting him to make some grand gesture while simultaneously explaining in her head in perfect, accurate character detail why he never would. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
If you know someone won't apologize for something wrong they did, you cut them out of your life or you accept them for the dick they are. His actions surprised her, then she remembered who he is and how he acts, then her logic was to fight him...? Which he even was like "Really? C'mon, we're friends" in his Sorin way. But she still went for it. It's crazy-person logic, which probably makes sense, since she's clearly gone two loafs of crazy bread somewhere over those 5,000 years, but that doesn't mean I'm taking her side.
charlequin
Banned
Yeah, this is ridiculous. Not gonna be calling you when the fate of the multiverse is on the line, that's for sure.
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