Except Pyromancer's Goggles only copies red spells and Brutal Expulsion is a non-red colorless spell.
Gotta love devoid.
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Magic: the Gathering - Shadows over Innistrad |OT| Blue's Clues
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Except Pyromancer's Goggles only copies red spells and Brutal Expulsion is a non-red colorless spell.
Gotta love devoid.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
gods damn it. I hate magic sometimes.
phazedplasma
Member
SCG results
I still might build one of those UW humans lists
http://sales.starcitygames.com//dec...&start=1&finish=64&city=Baltimore&start_num=0
I still might build one of those UW humans lists
http://sales.starcitygames.com//dec...&start=1&finish=64&city=Baltimore&start_num=0
We should be happy it only copies red spells. Imagine double CoCo.
Giant Panda
Member
Storm and SSG were a mistake. They're nothing but trash. Someone on cockatrice got 12 goblins on turn 1.
Infinite Stars
Member
Imagine if we hadn't had Denegerate format last season, where this could have been a Red Midrange deck's turn 6 with Goggles in play:
Mountain, Go to Combat, swing with cheap person, tap Goggles and cast Howl of the Horde off of Goggles, cast Red Spell(Collateral Damage maybe?)
Get 15 Damage to face in a fetchland format.
charlequin
Banned
Watching the commentators today (who were otherwise pretty spot-on) repeatedly make mistakes about devoid really drove home what a pain in the ass it is.
SCG Modern lists-http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/deckshow.php?&t%5BC1%5D=28&start_date=04/08/2016&end_date=04/10/2016&start=1&finish=32&city=Baltimore&start_num=0
T8:
2 Scapeshift
2 Infect
Jund
Abzan Company
G/R Aggro
Merfolk
No Ancestral Visions or Thopter/Sword in any T8 maindeck (Scapeshift had it in the SB), but there were 2 Grixis decks and 1 Jeskai deck in the T16 that had Visions, and there was a U/W Tron deck in 14th place that had 1x Sword and Foundry that it could Gifts for (and get back with Academy Ruins). There was a U/W KCI Sword/Foundry deck in 19th place as well.
Can't really take much away as there weren't any major names in this, but I'm happy to see some diversity back, and it doesn't look like Sword broke the format or anything
T8:
2 Scapeshift
2 Infect
Jund
Abzan Company
G/R Aggro
Merfolk
No Ancestral Visions or Thopter/Sword in any T8 maindeck (Scapeshift had it in the SB), but there were 2 Grixis decks and 1 Jeskai deck in the T16 that had Visions, and there was a U/W Tron deck in 14th place that had 1x Sword and Foundry that it could Gifts for (and get back with Academy Ruins). There was a U/W KCI Sword/Foundry deck in 19th place as well.
Can't really take much away as there weren't any major names in this, but I'm happy to see some diversity back, and it doesn't look like Sword broke the format or anything
I really agree. I can't think of any other mechanic that has provided so much unnecessary confusion while offering so little gameplay in return. If only there was some way we could rotate out of BFZ block while keeping Origins + Dragons...
Infinite Stars
Member
Devoid just further confirms to me what a clusterscrew BFZ was. I know it's odd to be excited for a Kill Review, but I'd love to see him rip into Wizards R&D about how terrible BFZ was as a set, a block,etc.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's not even a mechanic outside of like 2 specific circumstances (e.g. Ruins of Oran-Rief and Ghostfire Blade); its a mostly just an obscure rules clusterfuck.
Attleborotaco
Member
It works well against Spinx's Tutelage Decks too.
This is a casual Bant Clues Deck ive been working on. I need to get it down to 60 Cards, but i don't know what to cut. and fix my mana probably. Help would be appreciated.
Nettle Drone disagrees. It's a limited mechanic.
AaronWatermelon
Member
Can attest. At the last standard I played, my opponent who played mill was visibly frustrated with my BR Eldrazi deck.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
A few things from week 1.
I'd say 2 expose evils and 2 press for answers. Even in casual play temporary tap effects are feelbads.
- Thing in Ice is a real card, despite some people calling it garbage. Or is this the deck that pops up week 1 of a new standard and is never seen again? Oh, and it's already putting up some minor results in modern.
- Avacyn was as good as advertised.
- CoCo is still a great card.
- Investigate is at least semi-playable in decks that can run out of steam or often have leftover mana.
- Declaration in Stone is going to be a 4 of in 90 percent of decks for the foreseeable future.
- Sorin is standard playable.
I'd say 2 expose evils and 2 press for answers. Even in casual play temporary tap effects are feelbads.
Attleborotaco
Member
I was thinking of replacing those with Declaration in Stone, I mind blanked that card existed(i got a few in my box) until i saw you mention it haha. So if i replaced those 4 with that, what else would you think i should get rid of?
charlequin
Banned
He's not allowed to review anything else until he stops being a whiny self-parody. If someone's gonna rip R&D effectively for something they really did screw up, that person needs to have some moderate perspective about it when they do something right.
I think the UR surge control might well be that deck, but TITI is still real anyway.
This isn't really an interesting conclusion to me, it was obvious from moment one that he would be. It's more interesting to me that Nahiri is potentially standard playable.
SigmasonicX
Member
This deck is interesting.
Esper Demonic Pact + Starfield of Nyx, only three creatures mainboard, includes Blood-Cursed Knight in the sideboard. It's OK if you have to look up what that card is.
Esper Demonic Pact + Starfield of Nyx, only three creatures mainboard, includes Blood-Cursed Knight in the sideboard. It's OK if you have to look up what that card is.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Well, okay, so this is just a for funsie deck that works on Investigate. So, the outliers are Reflector Mage (powerful, but flavor goes against everything else in your deck) and Counterspell (which is the only wildly out of the format card). Also, Tamiyo's Journal is super bad from a flavor and fun mechanic to have 2 of. As it's just a fun deck, those are the best recommendations I can give you on what to take out. Maybe 2 reflector mages, 1 journal and one of the 4 of creatures?
I think the UR surge control might well be that deck, but TITI is still real anyway.
This isn't really an interesting conclusion to me, it was obvious from moment one that he would be. It's more interesting to me that Nahiri is potentially standard playable.
I thought Thing in the Ice was a real card when it was revealed. I'm not really quite ready to crow about being right just yet, but it's off to a very, very strong start. Same with Sorin, though its start is less strong. Quite a few people said Sorin was a bad card. I disagreed then and I disagree now. But while it was a solid performer that won a few games, it wasn't the blowout card in week 1 that Thing was.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Standard is going to involve everyone cracking clues for a while.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Messing with Modern Sultai, first draft:
I'm no gerard fabiano, but the first time I sided in Ashiok I played my opponent's Sigarda on turn 4 so that's something.
I'm no gerard fabiano, but the first time I sided in Ashiok I played my opponent's Sigarda on turn 4 so that's something.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
My FTV 20 arrived and it seems rather unbend at first glance.
Latest legacy T8 was the least blue i've seen in years. Nice to see that people have started adapting a bit to chalice and blood moon being played more, with classic 0 basic decks like shardless playing 2 to decay blood moons and chalices, and decks like punishing abzan running 4 mox diamond to play around both and start the curve at 2. On the other hand, Eldrazi basically disappeared as soon as people started diversifying their curve a bit.
Nic Fit is such a legit deck in this meta. If you miss playing 4 Rhinos, this is definitely the right deck for you.
Time to play destructive flow tbh.
Nic Fit is such a legit deck in this meta. If you miss playing 4 Rhinos, this is definitely the right deck for you.
Time to play destructive flow tbh.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
My take on GBC Midrange after this weekend. Playtested against U/R Thing in the Ice that Top 8'd the Open and completely crushed it 6-1. Made me feel good.
http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/182666
Only difference is -1 Blighted Fen and +1 Drownyard Temple (for a total of 2).
http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/182666
Only difference is -1 Blighted Fen and +1 Drownyard Temple (for a total of 2).
I doubt Goggles would have been a thing even without CoCo. Just too expensive to be worth it.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
Late response to this, but Tristan is actually from my LGS, so I was pretty happy/dumbfounded when I saw him on camera. My first reaction was: this is weird, he's not very good, but awesome!
Then I saw him get wrecked. When I saw him sac his land to get a Worldbreaker I groaned.
I love when week 1 is insane. Things will eventually start to level out, but man, that chaos!
Some things I learned this weekend:
Some things I'm curious about going forward:
Some things I learned this weekend:
- Avacyn is truth. Glad they sent her off with a bang
- Thing in the Ice was what we hoped it would be, at least for this week
- WB is, at the very least, a powerful shell to build around
- Collected Company is still bananas
- I don't miss fetchlands
Some things I'm curious about going forward:
- Can Thing in the Ice stay relevant as the format shapes?
- Is White Weenie as real as it seems?
- Is it possible there's no low-to-the-ground Red-based aggro strat?
- Is Nahri playable or not?
- Will Bant CoCo continue to be as unstoppable as it looked?
A Serious Man
Member
I've seen some mono-red madness decks. They seem a couple cards short of being truly competitive though.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
I feel like white weenie should get crushed by any black-based creature based midrange deck with a bunch of removal. Basically plays creatures that don't die to languish and card advantage. Basically an excuse to post my decklist again: http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/182666
I think Bant Coco is the truth though. Reflector mage, negate, Jace, and declaration in stone are just too powerful a combination for most decks to push through.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Languish has been the big boogieman of every deck since its printing. It's done some work, but man, if it actually hosed the decks it supposedly hoses, nobody would play anything besides Esper shells.
....watch next big tourney be all Languish.dec
....watch next big tourney be all Languish.dec
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
If white wheenie is a deck shouldn't Kolaghans Command be pretty decent? Even if they quickly get out of X/2 range you should always get a 1 for 1 at the worst out of it. It can also be GDD'd and get GDD out of the yard for extra value.
Would Sorin be a thing w/o Languish?
Man why isn't my Beta working even though I got an invite.
Would Sorin be a thing w/o Languish?
Man why isn't my Beta working even though I got an invite.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Wait. ...that totally fucking works. What the what. I mean, I know that Hexmage does it thing, but this is a combo that totally works in color. Throw in some blue counters, some black removal/disruption and splash red for bolt...
Uh. Fuck to the yes. You're my new favorite brewer, get rekt GB
This is what I've cobbled together as a base list right now, don't know about numbers yet, but going over existing Grixis shells, it looks like a safe bet to start messing around with at least.
Thing in the Ice Grixis suggestions
- Spell Pierce
- Mana Leak
- Remand
- Serum Visions
- Electrolyze
- Izzet Charm
- Lightning Bolt
- Kolaghan's Command
- Terminate
- Inquisition of Kozilek
- Dismember
- Vampire Hexmage
- Thing in the Ice
- Snapcaster Mage
LotV seems like a great include... Snapcaster would probably fill out your creatures. Could even try splashing white instead of red for Path, Ojutai's Command, and Celestial Colonnade. I play control in Modern and I've been getting crushed lately, with the new bans and TitI I might just have a new lease on life
Even though hat combo works you still have to cast another instant or sorcery to get thing to flip so the combo isn't that great.
SigmasonicX
Member
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Random thought, would this be good in this format?
Drastic Lavamancer - R
Creature - Human Shaman
R, Tap, Discard a card: Draw a card.
Delirium -- R, Tap, Exile two cards from your graveyard: Deal 2 damage to target creature or player. Activate this ability only if you have four or more cards types among cards in your graveyard.
1/1
Or this
Emboldened Pillager - RR
Creature -- Human Shaman
Tap, Discard a card: Draw a card.
Delirium - Whenever you discard one or more cards, if there are four or more cards types among cards in your graveyard, deal 1 damage to target creature or player.
2/1
Random thought, would this be good in this format?
Drastic Lavamancer - R
Creature - Human Shaman
R, Tap, Discard a card: Draw a card.
Delirium -- R, Tap, Exile two cards from your graveyard: Deal 2 damage to target creature or player. Activate this ability only if you have four or more cards types among cards in your graveyard.
1/1
Or this
Emboldened Pillager - RR
Creature -- Human Shaman
Tap, Discard a card: Draw a card.
Delirium - Whenever you discard one or more cards, if there are four or more cards types among cards in your graveyard, deal 1 damage to target creature or player.
2/1
I feel like if you're playing a Grixis Control type of game, you probably want to control when it flips anyway, so an unflipped Thing chilling on the battlefield with no counters you can activate at instant speed with something like Lightning Bolt and clear the board while returning your Snapcasters to your hand sounds pretty sweet, at least in theory.
A Serious Man
Member
You are spending a creature (hexmage) and you aren't getting a flip out of it. That doesn't sound impressive at all since modern is a fast format (the fastest of all the format on turns avg) I also don't see a need to do this when grixis has tons of low drop instants or sorceries that get you there and protect thing in the ice.
I'll say that there's a good chance you're right and the Hexmage has no need to be there. But it's still something I wanna try. There's benefits to both approaches.
My thinking: Spending a Hexmage to remove one counter is no different than spending a spell to do it in terms of cost/card advantage, so that aspect doesn't bother me. The upside of it removing 2-4 counters is great. The plan isn't to flip Thing and win on turn 4. If you're playing Grixis you're already slowing the game down and playing a little lengthier already.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I can only imagine Ulrich's card is going to let you moonmist on command because what else is a legendary werewolf good for?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Grixis Thing
24 lands
4 x Thing in the Ice
3 x Vampire Hexmage
4 x Snapcaster Mage
4 x Inquisition of Kozilek
4 x Lightning Bolt
4 x Serum Visions
3 x Kolaghan's Command
4 x Remand
3 x Terminate
2 x Dismember
1 x Negate
Hmmm. I really want Young Pyromancer in there somehow. Maybe Hexmage is too cute after all. I mean...cutting Snapcaster is just crazy, right? Super crazy. Nah.
24 lands
4 x Thing in the Ice
3 x Vampire Hexmage
4 x Snapcaster Mage
4 x Inquisition of Kozilek
4 x Lightning Bolt
4 x Serum Visions
3 x Kolaghan's Command
4 x Remand
3 x Terminate
2 x Dismember
1 x Negate
Hmmm. I really want Young Pyromancer in there somehow. Maybe Hexmage is too cute after all. I mean...cutting Snapcaster is just crazy, right? Super crazy. Nah.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Aren't pyro and titi nonbos? Why isn't Delver a Horror...
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Yeah, right, right. Derp. Hey, I've been at work for like, 11 hours, cut me some slack.
SigmasonicX
Member
Ulrich the Unchanging - 1RG
Legendary Creature - Werewolf
Trample, menace
Whenever a Werewolf you control becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, Ulrich the Unchanging deals 3 damage to that player.
RG: Transform target Human.
2RG: Put Ulrich from your hand onto the battlefield.
4/4
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
So that deck just doesn't win if your opponent kills your Thing, which I guess is true for a lot of control decks, but it feels more pronounced. Solution: more counters.
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