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Majora's Mask 3DS announced!
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Yeah, if you don't mind the game crashing and losing all your progress.
Zelda collectors edition is the worst way to play MM.
Solid SOAP
Member
There's so much they can do with this remake it's blowing my mind. I don't want to get my hopes up by thinking about all these incredible potential features though! But damn, a NG+ mode with Fierce Deity Link now being a possibility, boss/dungeon rush mode, etc all would be incredible.
Before this was officially announced I was thinking it'd be cool if there was a mode that you'd have all the items and such that you need, and you can access any dungeon in any order you want, kinda similar to ALBW. That would make for some great replayability,
Linkstrikesback
Member
I do wonder if this screenshot comparison implies you can use Fierce Deity anywhere:
,....
Bigger doors?
RIDLEY CONFIRMED FOR MM
well...I was wrong about the PAL version of MM64 being 17fps max. sorry. just tested it again.
it's 16fps. Here it is with the fraps counter:
16fps max during any 3D or gameplay.
the save menu seems to run at around 50fps, oddly.
inventory runs at 24fps. right where framerate is most important!!
larger areas - uh oh
aw shit...
Now...after looking at that, is there anyone out there that still feels that this game doesn't deserve a 3DS version?
it's 16fps. Here it is with the fraps counter:
16fps max during any 3D or gameplay.
the save menu seems to run at around 50fps, oddly.
inventory runs at 24fps. right where framerate is most important!!
larger areas - uh oh
aw shit...
Now...after looking at that, is there anyone out there that still feels that this game doesn't deserve a 3DS version?
Nicktendo86
Member
Funny that they actually added that pause effect in winder waker, they must have thought it was good!
Has anyone posted that the teaser site is up?
http://www.zelda.com/majoras-mask/
Nothing new or special, just nice to have a site.
Unless the ESRB rating is new? E10+
http://www.zelda.com/majoras-mask/
Nothing new or special, just nice to have a site.
Unless the ESRB rating is new? E10+
More proof (not that its needed), that OOT3D is ported from the N64 code:
Nabooru is still inside every single Iron Knuckle.
Leftover beta N64 link model.
N64 great fairy model
And a quote by the guy behind the program shown above:
So yeah, it's still a shitload of work they did. Apply that to Majora's Mask and it's not hard to see how it has taken 4 years for such a small team.
Nabooru is still inside every single Iron Knuckle.
Leftover beta N64 link model.
N64 great fairy model
And a quote by the guy behind the program shown above:
So yeah, it's still a shitload of work they did. Apply that to Majora's Mask and it's not hard to see how it has taken 4 years for such a small team.
Dreamwriter
Member
Even worse than a "just been here recently" feeling, what if they do like they did with Ocarina 3D? I had just played the Wii VC version of Ocarina a few months earlier, so I bought the 3DS game thinking "awesome, now I can try me some Master Quest!" ...but as we know now, you have to play through the entire game to unlock the Master Quest, and by the time I finally did that, I wasn't in the mood to play through the game a third time even with a newly unlocked Master Quest. If they add a Master Quest type thing to Majora 3D and lock it behind a full playthrough of the normal game, you definitely don't want to be playing the game before you get the 3DS version.
Professor Beef
Banned
The Cube version is actually considered the worst version.
Definitely don't do this unless you want the game freezing on you while you were in the middle of a side quest on day 3.
Virtual console is the best version of the game right now.
themagicalkitsune
Member
The video looks much better on this site. Is the framerate different?
Dunno, the computer I'm using to watch it runs like hot garbage, so I can actually count the fps on one hand.
I'll have to watch it again when I get home.
hahaha, no, please no.
I used to think the same as you do. Until I finished Snowhead Temple with all the stray fairies on the gamecube version and the fucking thing crashed on me.
very, very lucky
with a game like Majora's Mask, you do not want the risk of the game crashing - and the Gamecube emulation is buggy as fuck.
Huh, I do believe it is.
It's the same video they posted to youtube, which runs at 60fps in chrome.
just make sure you select 720p60 in the player settings.
It only froze up for me twice during an entire playthrough of the game. However, with the way the save system works in MM, one freeze may as well be ten freezes for any other game :/
You were lucky
Professor Beef
Banned
The game crashed on me during the ending. By that point I had already played and beaten MM countless times on the N64 so it didn't matter too much, but I was still mad.
I've just ripped and uploaded the 720p 60fps trailer for the game. Watch it and download it here.
And yes, it is 60fps throughout (tested with FRAPS). Whether it really is 60fps in the game or whether its motion interpolation isn't clear - but if it's the former then that's amazing, if incredibly unlikely. It could also possibly be enhanced for the New Nintendo 3DS to run in 60fps when played on it of course and the footage could be from that.
Either way, why would Nintendo upload a 60fps trailer for a game unless it is actually 60fps? They know full well what they're doing, because they've gone and replaced a lot of trailers with 60fps versions recently such as the E3 Yoshi's Woolly World trailer.
And yes, it is 60fps throughout (tested with FRAPS). Whether it really is 60fps in the game or whether its motion interpolation isn't clear - but if it's the former then that's amazing, if incredibly unlikely. It could also possibly be enhanced for the New Nintendo 3DS to run in 60fps when played on it of course and the footage could be from that.
Either way, why would Nintendo upload a 60fps trailer for a game unless it is actually 60fps? They know full well what they're doing, because they've gone and replaced a lot of trailers with 60fps versions recently such as the E3 Yoshi's Woolly World trailer.
SirNinja
Member
Majora's Mask should be a quest to do stuff before the moon crashes, not the game.
Labrynian Rebel
Member
I'm still pretty sure the larger door is just to let Zora Link and Goron Link get down there without clipping through the ceiling like in the original game. Don't get hyped thinking FD everywhere confirmed!
Labrynian Rebel
Member
The funny thing is that Nabooru was technically in Majora's Mask since she was inside the Iron Knuckle enemies.
TheMoon
Member
*cough* new 3Ds enhanced *cough*
Yep lol, lets see if shes in MM3D too
Yep, I really do think its inevitable. They just wont announce it until they've unveiled the N3DS in the west. It'll work as a selling point for its launch, because what else is there?
I would assume that playing it on a N3DS will result in the following:
- 60fps
- C stick camera control
- Two extra item slots for the new shoulder buttons
I also think there will be amiibo support too. Obviously that would be for both consoles, but it would be better on the New3DS of course. I can see them releasing a Skull Kid and Fierce Deity amiibo.
So how do you guys think Nintendo will make Majora's Mask more accessible? I'm sure they're keenly aware that many people had trouble understanding how the game works.
I'm thinking they'll do the following:
- Permanent saves at the owl statues, instead of suspend saves: This change would be right in line with ALBW and SS. It also minimizes any confusion, since there will only be one way to save. The only downside is some players may cheat the system by resetting from owl statues when they fail an event, which undermines the tension that was there when failure meant having to do everything all over again. But those of us who care can still get the "authentic" experience by NOT cheating the system.
- Keep all items when traveling back in time: In the N64 version, you'd lose disposable items like arrows, bombs, etc., when traveling back in time. But this just seems like a needless complication. I bet they'll let you keep ALL your items when you time-travel now, which means one less caveat to explain. The bank in West Clock Town will still have a purpose by allowing you to exceed your wallet's limit. Running low on arrows and bombs? Make a withdrawal from the bank and visit the Trading Post across the street. Everything still serves a purpose.
- Call more attention to important features: I think there should be several more instances in Clock Town where NPCs teach you about the Inverted Song of Time. Rather than trusting players to find the scarecrow, maybe they'll just straight-up tell you this time. It could be something the Happy Mask Salesman tells you, and that the Scarecrow repeats. Maybe even have Tatl remind you periodically.
One more idea they might consider...
- Increase the time players have: In the N64 version, one hour in-game was roughly one minute in real life. With the Inverted Song of Time, you could double that. But what if they were to increase time further? What if by default, one hour in-game was two minutes in real life? They'd need to rework the rate at which certain NPCs walk around towns, etc., but hey, we already know South Clock Town is being expanded, and presumably the rest of Clock Town with it, so maybe that extra walking distance will allow them to increase the length of each in-game hour.
I'm thinking they'll do the following:
- Permanent saves at the owl statues, instead of suspend saves: This change would be right in line with ALBW and SS. It also minimizes any confusion, since there will only be one way to save. The only downside is some players may cheat the system by resetting from owl statues when they fail an event, which undermines the tension that was there when failure meant having to do everything all over again. But those of us who care can still get the "authentic" experience by NOT cheating the system.
- Keep all items when traveling back in time: In the N64 version, you'd lose disposable items like arrows, bombs, etc., when traveling back in time. But this just seems like a needless complication. I bet they'll let you keep ALL your items when you time-travel now, which means one less caveat to explain. The bank in West Clock Town will still have a purpose by allowing you to exceed your wallet's limit. Running low on arrows and bombs? Make a withdrawal from the bank and visit the Trading Post across the street. Everything still serves a purpose.
- Call more attention to important features: I think there should be several more instances in Clock Town where NPCs teach you about the Inverted Song of Time. Rather than trusting players to find the scarecrow, maybe they'll just straight-up tell you this time. It could be something the Happy Mask Salesman tells you, and that the Scarecrow repeats. Maybe even have Tatl remind you periodically.
One more idea they might consider...
- Increase the time players have: In the N64 version, one hour in-game was roughly one minute in real life. With the Inverted Song of Time, you could double that. But what if they were to increase time further? What if by default, one hour in-game was two minutes in real life? They'd need to rework the rate at which certain NPCs walk around towns, etc., but hey, we already know South Clock Town is being expanded, and presumably the rest of Clock Town with it, so maybe that extra walking distance will allow them to increase the length of each in-game hour.
I do wonder if this screenshot comparison implies you can use Fierce Deity anywhere:
Interesting point and I hope it's true.
I don't think the taller entrance to the sewer means anything, since the Goron and Zora are roughly the same height as the Fierce Deity, and when those two walked into the sewer, the camera would clip through the ceiling. This change is probably just a fix so you can walk into the sewers as the Goron or Zora and the camera won't clip through the walls.
The Red Wizard
Member
I've actually taken the OST out of my library so that it doesn't play and tempt me to start playing it now. Plus it'll help some of the tracks seem fresher if I haven't heard them in months.Please stop listening to the OST...you need to experience at least some of hearing it in the game for the first time!!
Just play it on a PC with Dolphin. It's pretty much a HD remaster and it looks incredible!
well they've remade pretty much everything else except for the two most recent 3d zeldas. i would hope tp hd gets done at some point. unfortunately, it lacks the loyal fanbase that built up mm, oot, or even tww. it just has a lot of people who really like it. even skyward sword seems to have more of a following these days.
Not75Drops
Member
Isn't there a difference between the Japanese and Western versions in terms of saving and the owl statues? I wonder if they'll keep those differences for each version or if they'll unify them.
Wow, they are fantastic!
If we ever get a TP HD remaster, it will be after Zelda U's release date (2015 or a delayed 2016) and perhaps on their next console.
Me neither. /shrug
The Xtortionist
Member
I had the GCN version freeze on me during the quest to reunite Anju and Kafei, and on the third night in the thief's hideout, of all times and places. I also remember there being some sound issues.
I was still very thankful for the GCN collection, but nowadays, the Wii VC is the best way to (officially) experience the N64 original. Of course, I'd recommend everyone just wait for the 3DS version at this point.
I was still very thankful for the GCN collection, but nowadays, the Wii VC is the best way to (officially) experience the N64 original. Of course, I'd recommend everyone just wait for the 3DS version at this point.
WHAT IF YOU POOP ON HIM
Ugh I have terrible experiences with Dolphin, and my pc is not half bad. That horse missions where you have to defend the cart, run and aim, were specially bad. And boy the framerate was terrible.
Man, this game. I'm glad this remaster is coming out, if only for the fact that it gets people talking about it again. This is probably my favorite game to use as an example of "games as art" and for how to properly integrate story, themes, and gameplay (something even games like TLOU don't do as well as MM).
This game needs to be studied in game design classes.
This game needs to be studied in game design classes.
Burning Justice
the superior princess
Yep. Japanese version didn't have owl statue suspend saves. The only way to save on the Japanese version was to play the Song of Time. Because of the amount of memory suspend saves took, though, non-Japanese versions had the number of save files reduced from three to two. The Japanese version had three save files just like every other Zelda game.
I'm guessing the save system will be reconciled between versions this time around. It looks like they're overhauling the save system anyway, and I'm sure save file memory isn't really an issue anymore.
He will clap.