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[GYODX]

It´s cute that you think that the US will jeopardize its own economic health and wealth because of Japan. Let me remind you that China is the largest holder of US debt.

I wouldn't be so condescending when the depth of your analysis can basically be summed up as "we owe them a lot of money!".

The US has its status as the global hegemon to lose if it doesn't defend Japan. Failure to abide by our treaty obligations means the total collapse of US foreign policy, and that's not an exaggeration. We would lose all credibility. If the world sees that the US could not even work up the political will to defend its most important ally, no country is ever going to enter a military alliance with us, which means you can say goodbye to the global system of military bases that's allowed us to have such an overwhelming military and logistical edge over our contenders in the first place. The US obviously has much more to lose from NOT intervening on Japan's behalf.

And the global implications of the US losing its superpower status would be enormous. You would see a rise in militarism in countries that had until that point relied on US security guarantees; global hotspots that had been relatively stable because of the prospect of US military intervention would flare up (Saudi Arabia/Iran, Israel/Iran, Pakistan/India, Eastern Europe/Russia, South Korea/North Korea, etc). Expect arms races and more and more countries seeking their own nuclear deterrent.

You talk about the US economic health as the main deterrent to US intervention. Do you see the US economy doing well in such an uncertain state of affairs? I would go as far as to say that a limited conventional conflict with China would be preferable. Some people may see this as warmongering or jingoism. It's not; I'm just realistic about the fact that the US' superpower status is the single biggest stabilizing force that exists in the world today. A unipolar world is a more stable world, and I have the entirety of human history to back me up on that.

 

[bomma_man]

The UN is designed to be toothless. That's the only way that the major powers would stay members. The League of Nations failed because it had too much power - it required nations to involve themselves somehow in military conflicts even if it meant going against their allies. This also kept some nations out - like the isolationist United States - and most of the more aggressive major powers, like Japan and Nazi Germany, simply left.

The UN is supposed to act as a forum where the nations of the world can gather peacefully to discuss current issues in a diplomatic setting. That's it. I must say that it does at least perform that task quite well and has probably helped in averting some conflicts, especially during the Cold War.

Care to guess what would happen if the UN was granted power to forcefully go after Russia over Ukraine? Russia would leave, followed by China and a pretty significant number of smaller states aligned with them. The only nations left would be NATO and other Western-aligned nations and the entire point of the UN would be undone. Let's not even begin to imagine what would have happened if those powers had been in place during the rather illegal US invasion of Iraq.

People mistakenly believe that the UN has it's own legal personality

 

[whatever77]

I wouldn't be so condescending when the depth of your analysis can basically be summed up as "we owe them a lot of money!".

The US has its status as the global hegemon to lose if it doesn't defend Japan. Failure to abide by our treaty obligations means the total collapse of US foreign policy, and that's not an exaggeration. We would lose all credibility. If the world sees that the US could not even work up the political will to defend its most important ally, no country is ever going to enter a military alliance with us, which means you can say goodbye to the global system of military bases that's allowed us to have such an overwhelming military and logistical edge over our contenders in the first place. The US obviously has much more to lose from NOT intervening on Japan's behalf.

Please. US has lost largest portion of its credibility when Bush II decided to invade Iraq unilaterally. So far US has asked China to take on bigger responsibility in international affairs for a few times, but China has refused to do so on the ground of being a developing country. There is no more credibility US need to sell to other countries in the future. No other country is taking US's promise blindly, be it Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Latin America and African counties. There is no point for the US to maintain the credit line when its no need for any other countries. Pretty much every African country has closer relationship to China than the US.

US is backing Japan for plenty of other reasons. Japan is US's largest strategic alliance in Asia. There are alot of benefits of having this alliance, which is similar to UK in Europe and Israel in Middle East. For starters, Japan is basically paying US to be their military and that pays a lot of military bill for the US.

And the global implications of the US losing its superpower status would be enormous. You would see a rise in militarism in countries that had until that point relied on US security guarantees; global hotspots that had been relatively stable because of the prospect of US military intervention would flare up (Saudi Arabia/Iran, Israel/Iran, Pakistan/India, Eastern Europe/Russia, South Korea/North Korea, etc). Expect arms races and more and more countries seeking their own nuclear deterrent.

You talk about the US economic health as the main deterrent to US intervention. Do you see the US economy doing well in such an uncertain state of affairs? I would go as far as to say that a limited conventional conflict with China would be preferable. Some people may see this as warmongering or jingoism. It's not; I'm just realistic about the fact that the US' superpower status is the single biggest stabilizing force that exists in the world today. A unipolar world is a more stable world, and I have the entirety of human history to back me up on that.

US doesn't need to worry about the internal economy too much as long as the dollar is still the international currency standard. If and when the USD no longer the currency for oil then you can start worry. Why would China start a war with US which will disrupt that international order without anyone to replace the police role. I don't think a scenario of a limited war between US and China will happen at all. That require a miscalculation from both sides, and that doesn't happen in the informational age. There are plenty of things China can do and need to do before a confrontation with the US, cozy up Thailand to build a canal to diversity her energy transportation routes for starter.

21st Century is century the mark US's slow decline. Great Briton, historically, has been the only empire in history that managed her decline, dear I say gracefully. US simply isn't making the percentage of world GDP like her used to. How well will US manage its decline in 21st century remain to be seen.

 

[GYODX]

Please. US has lost largest portion of its credibility when Bush II decided to invade Iraq unilaterally. So far US has asked China to take on bigger responsibility in international affairs for a few times, but China has refused to do so on the ground of being a developing country. There is no more credibility US need to sell to other countries in the future. No other country is taking US's promise blindly, be it Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Latin America and African counties. There is no point for the US to maintain the credit line when its no need for any other countries. Pretty much every African country has closer relationship to China than the US.

This is a non-sequitur. Context makes it abundantly clear that I was referring to a different sort of credibility. That is, the credibility that we would come to an allied nation's aid if they were attacked by an external party. For better or worse, this is the sort of credibility that our whole foreign policy and global military presence is based on. Countries host US military bases on their soil because they're certain we'll defend them from external aggression. Seeing as how several East Asian and Pacific countries (Japan, the Philippines, Vietnam, Australia, etc) are taking the initiative to build closer ties with us and clamoring for increased American presence in the region, I would say the sort of credibility I was talking about is still alive and well.

US doesn't need to worry about the internal economy too much as long as the dollar is still the international currency standard. If and when the USD no longer the currency for oil then you can start worry. Why would China start a war with US which will disrupt that international order without anyone to replace the police role. I don't think a scenario of a limited war between US and China will happen at all. That require a miscalculation from both sides, and that doesn't happen in the informational age. There are plenty of things China can do and need to do before a confrontation with the US, cozy up Thailand to build a canal to diversity her energy transportation routes for starter.

I wasn't talking about a China vs Japan/US scenario as if it were an inevitability. I'm merely making a case for why I'm absolutely certain that the US would come to Japan's aid IF China were to ever attack them.

 

[Nuklear]

US has to come to Japan's aid if they are attacked by China. It would lessen our credibility even more with the rest of our allies.

 

[whatever77]

This is a non-sequitur. Context makes it abundantly clear that I was referring to a different sort of credibility. That is, the credibility that we would come to an allied nation's aid if they were attacked by an external party. For better or worse, this is the sort of credibility that our whole foreign policy and global military presence is based on. Countries host US military bases on their soil because they're certain we'll defend them from external aggression. Seeing as how several East Asian and Pacific countries (Japan, the Philippines, Vietnam, Australia, etc) are taking the initiative to build closer ties with us and clamoring for increased American presence in the region, I would say the sort of credibility I was talking about is still alive and well.

First of all, US doesn't have a consistent Foreign policy. Kissinger even wrote a book just talk about it. Second, almost every one of the foreign country that let US build military base because US give them something in return, usually in form of billions and billions of aid, low interest loan, etc. Even country like Philippine who is basically US's closest brother in the developing world doesn't want US base (until China is breathing down on their neck).

I wasn't talking about a China vs Japan/US scenario as if it were an inevitability. I'm merely making a case for why I'm absolutely certain that the US would come to Japan's aid IF China were to ever attack them.

There are various level of hot wars and cold wars. Sophisticated East Asian countries can manifest their conflict in form of economic war.

 

[MIMIC]

The poll, which was released right before the second anniversary of Japan's purchase of the Senkaku islands, showed that a record 93 percent of the Japanese have an "unfavorable impression" of the Chinese; 86.8 percent of Chinese feel the same way about the Japanese.

Holy shit! I had no idea that there was such an overwhelming resentment for one another.

Saw the movie a few nights ago xD

 

[shem935]

Yes, definitely. The majority. About 2,352 Chinese citizens who voted in a poll represent what the 1.4 billion living in China think.

Sensationalist post at its best.

http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-09/10/content_18571095.htm

Kinda the point of statistics and polls are that you don't have to poll everyone. Everytime polls are brought up I swear...

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

over resentment...

Dear god North Korea, please do something really stupid really soon, this is why you exist!

This...made me laugh way more than I should have.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

LOL no, not going to happen, there's far too much for China to lose for basically zero gain.

 

[Madness]

LOL no, not going to happen, there's far too much for China to lose for basically zero gain.

Not to mention, China is actually quite a paper tiger. Encircled by countries not exactly friendly to them. No real global satellite system, no forward operating bases, and they still haven't been able to produce top notch military equipment like their own fighter jet engines, etc. They rely on Russia too much still.

Japan on the other hand has modern and top notch military hardware. It's much smaller, but has the advantage of a smaller population and more distributed around the island. Conventionally, the Japanese Navy with defensive posture would lay waste to any offensive Chinese ships and subs.

China has only one real advantage, it's nuclear weapons. But Japan is the world's foremost nuclear producer of uranium and as much as they hate nuclear weapons, they have the material, ability and knowhow to weaponize 1000 warheads within a year if China threatens them this way.

China is significantly overpaying their hand. They are an authoritarian and increasingly corrupt state barely able to hold onto Hong Kong and farther regions where anti-CPC sentiment is high. An attack on Japan would literally destroy their hard earned economy. Think about the world's top automakers, electronics companies, etc. Honda, Toyota, Sony, Nikon, Canon, Mazda, Mitsubishi, all the manufacturing that gets done in China because of Japan.

Who are the major Chinese allies? Pakistan, North Korea, Iran, Sudan, and countries in Africa like Zimbabwe. Who has China been antagonizing recently? Japan, Philippines, Vietnam, and even India.

This nationalism is only the creation of a declining Communist party that tries to shift it's own failings onto external sources. Just read Chinese news one day. It sounds like a belligerent elementary kid wrote it. Japan has done this, India has done this, USA has done this, Australia has done this, UK has done this etc.

 

[ponpo]

I'm surprised China still only has a single aircraft carrier and it's an old Ukrainian one.

I mean the US has half of the worlds 23 carriers or whatever so it's not like anyone has that much but still.

Then again China doesn't seem that interested in military operations far from home so it makes sense.

 

[Madness]

I'm surprised China still only has a single aircraft carrier and it's an old Ukrainian one.

I mean the US has half of the worlds 23 carriers or whatever so it's not like anyone has that much but still.

Then again China doesn't seem that interested in military operations far from home so it makes sense.

They don't have the knowledge, capability, or money to fund one. They are trying their darndest to make one, but it's increasingly difficult. In fact, India has made an indigenous aircraft carrier before China has. And they actually have a newer and stronger aircraft carrier bought from Russia. The Chinese carrier is just an old dilapidated Soviet carrier used for training purposes.

It's because, China is encircled near it's mainland. Where will they operate from? Especially in times of war. South Korea, Japan, all have credible navies near them, Taiwan as well. American naval ability is unmatched because they can sail freely to and fro in the Pacific and Atlantic. They have one of the world's largest naval bases in Hawaii and have several fleets based around the world at all times of the year.

For the US, supercarriers and naval presence is a necessity, for China it's just a pissing contest to say we have our own. Otherwise, to get anywhere in the world, it would have to pass several unfriendly countries. Though they've been trying like crazy to build a major blue water port in Pakistan and other areas in the Indian Ocean where they can store their ships and readily respond to any threats to its oil shipping from Africa and the Middle East.

 

[titiklabingapat]

Not to mention, China is actually quite a paper tiger. Encircled by countries not exactly friendly to them. No real global satellite system, no forward operating bases, and they still haven't been able to produce top notch military equipment like their own fighter jet engines, etc. They rely on Russia too much still.

Japan on the other hand has modern and top notch military hardware. It's much smaller, but has the advantage of a smaller population and more distributed around the island. Conventionally, the Japanese Navy with defensive posture would lay waste to any offensive Chinese ships and subs.

China has only one real advantage, it's nuclear weapons. But Japan is the world's foremost nuclear producer of uranium and as much as they hate nuclear weapons, they have the material, ability and knowhow to weaponize 1000 warheads within a year if China threatens them this way.

China is significantly overpaying their hand. They are an authoritarian and increasingly corrupt state barely able to hold onto Hong Kong and farther regions where anti-CPC sentiment is high. An attack on Japan would literally destroy their hard earned economy. Think about the world's top automakers, electronics companies, etc. Honda, Toyota, Sony, Nikon, Canon, Mazda, Mitsubishi, all the manufacturing that gets done in China because of Japan.

Who are the major Chinese allies? Pakistan, North Korea, Iran, Sudan, and countries in Africa like Zimbabwe. Who has China been antagonizing recently? Japan, Philippines, Vietnam, and even India.

This nationalism is only the creation of a declining Communist party that tries to shift it's own failings onto external sources. Just read Chinese news one day. It sounds like a belligerent elementary kid wrote it. Japan has done this, India has done this, USA has done this, Australia has done this, UK has done this etc.

China actually has a pretty good diaspora, called the Bamboo Network in various locales. Almost every single major Asian country has a sizeable Chinese community in business, not to mention the western Chinatowns but these families tend to be integrated well into their various communities and have localized.

But China is not really taking advantage of this well to foster goodwill, and you could argue that many of these families left mainland China to escape the Communist Party and their heavy handedness in HK isn't making it any easier.

 

[sphagnum]

Holy shit! I had no idea that there was such an overwhelming resentment for one another.

Never read much about the eastern half of WWII I take it?

 

[GreekWolf]

I think it's more likely the US will reluctantly get dragged into a war with China, over the Philippines. That's going to be terrible, catastrophic day, and the Filipinos will suffer the most.

 

[Kipe]

Not to mention, China is actually quite a paper tiger. Encircled by countries not exactly friendly to them. No real global satellite system, no forward operating bases, and they still haven't been able to produce top notch military equipment like their own fighter jet engines, etc. They rely on Russia too much still.

Japan on the other hand has modern and top notch military hardware. It's much smaller, but has the advantage of a smaller population and more distributed around the island. Conventionally, the Japanese Navy with defensive posture would lay waste to any offensive Chinese ships and subs.

China has only one real advantage, it's nuclear weapons. But Japan is the world's foremost nuclear producer of uranium and as much as they hate nuclear weapons, they have the material, ability and knowhow to weaponize 1000 warheads within a year if China threatens them this way.

China is significantly overpaying their hand. They are an authoritarian and increasingly corrupt state barely able to hold onto Hong Kong and farther regions where anti-CPC sentiment is high. An attack on Japan would literally destroy their hard earned economy. Think about the world's top automakers, electronics companies, etc. Honda, Toyota, Sony, Nikon, Canon, Mazda, Mitsubishi, all the manufacturing that gets done in China because of Japan.

Who are the major Chinese allies? Pakistan, North Korea, Iran, Sudan, and countries in Africa like Zimbabwe. Who has China been antagonizing recently? Japan, Philippines, Vietnam, and even India.

This nationalism is only the creation of a declining Communist party that tries to shift it's own failings onto external sources. Just read Chinese news one day. It sounds like a belligerent elementary kid wrote it. Japan has done this, India has done this, USA has done this, Australia has done this, UK has done this etc.

China doesn't need Japan. It's the opposite Japan needs China. Japan economy is stagnant and needs China to manufacture their goods at lower cost and they need the Chinese market in order to grow their economy.

China has already started launching rockets successfully. Anything tech related China will be caught up in thirty to forty years. They stole nuclear weapons technology fairly quickly I don't see why they can't do that in other tech fields.

 

[StayDead]

Kinda the point of statistics and polls are that you don't have to poll everyone. Everytime polls are brought up I swear...

That's true, but using such a small sample size of people they could've picked from a Chinese right wing forum or something is not a good way of polling things. There's no way China will go to war with Japan, just simply no way in hell.

 

[Qvoth]

didn't china made a new missile technology thing that was going to make the US carriers obsolete? i remember reading such an article not too long ago it seems

japan has more to lose with a war against china, but it's safe to say that if there is a war, china will be the one to make the 1st aggressive move, and it won't be long before they get hit with sanctions and shit like russia now

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

didn't china made a new missile technology thing that was going to make the US carriers obsolete? i remember reading such an article not too long ago it seems

No. They developed an anti ship ballistic missile, which is interesting, but does not render Carriers obsolete for the same reason that the existence of Surface to Air Missiles does not render aircraft obsolete, or rifles do not render infantry obsolete. Chinese media love to exaggerate their own military capabilities and western media love a good scare story.

 

[Abounder]

Yea and shooting at an aircraft carrier is basically a sidestep away from launching a tactical nuke. The only aggressors I see using such anti-ship missiles would be proxies, rogue leaders, etc. instead of a nation state.

 

[Lautaro]

Good thing these issues are not resolved by the majority then.

 

[One4U]

As a Chinese, from this tread, it is sad to see many gaffers misunderstood China. I think I should blame to western medias.

By any chance, please pay a visit to China and you will love my homeland.

About the OP, no. There will be no war against Japan. But I do admit that we don't like Japanese, same as they don't like us.

 

[neoanarch]

Luckily there is nowhere the US(via japan) and China can engage in a proxy war. Unless its in N Korea but even China is losing patience with them lately. So it would probably just be an escalation of tensions and a cold war. Also expecting and actually wanting a war are two different things.

 

[Kenshin001]

China doesn't need Japan. It's the opposite Japan needs China. Japan economy is stagnant and needs China to manufacture their goods at lower cost and they need the Chinese market in order to grow their economy.

China has already started launching rockets successfully. Anything tech related China will be caught up in thirty to forty years. They stole nuclear weapons technology fairly quickly I don't see why they can't do that in other tech fields.

I agree about growing their economy but Japan doesn't need China to manufacture their goods at lower cost. In fact China is becoming too expensive and recent Japanese investment in SE Asia is 3 times that of China. Less risk and cheaper. They also just announced a $34 billion deal with India with plans to double the number of Japanese firms. Japanese investment in China has plummeted the past couple of years.

 

[Kabouter]

I agree about growing their economy but Japan doesn't need China to manufacture their goods at lower cost. In fact China is becoming too expensive and recent Japanese investment in SE Asia is 3 times that of China. Less risk and cheaper. They also just announced a $34 billion deal with India with plans to double the number of Japanese firms. Japanese investment in China has plummeted the past couple of years.

Yeah, problem of course is that all those things depend on shipping through areas that conflict would render unsafe. That's the whole thing about a potential armed conflict involving China and its neighbours in East or South-East Asia. Because any potential conflict is inevitably going to one primarily fought via naval means, it renders shipping wholly unsafe for a vast proportion of the global economy. Of course all countries involved know this and for that reason amongst others I don't expect anything will go badly wrong. That said, I am happy that there is the added safety of a strong US presence in the Far East that will seek to protect global trade, just as the Royal Navy once did.

 

[DrunkandDrunker]

Who has hegemony in the Pacific right now?
And historically, which country would be deemed problematic if 'militarized.'

My opinion is that all China needs to do to disrupt the hegemony of the US in the Pacific is to force Japan to 'militarize.'
Given the naval capability of the JMSDF, China is no match for Japan in a conventional war without US assistance.
But Japan has already started to 'militarize.'
http://online.wsj.com/articles/aust...arines-410166854?mod=WSJ_hp_Asia_EditorsPicks

Australia is close to buying up to 10 submarines from Japan for as much as 20 billion Australian dollars (US$18.7 billion) in a move that would turn the north Asian country into a weapons exporter for the first time since World War II

What were the reason China holds animosity toward Japan again? I'd say this is exactly what China wanted, in order to get US out of the Pacific.

 

[whatever77]

I'm surprised China still only has a single aircraft carrier and it's an old Ukrainian one.

I mean the US has half of the worlds 23 carriers or whatever so it's not like anyone has that much but still.

Then again China doesn't seem that interested in military operations far from home so it makes sense.

There is a rumor of a home grown nuclear powered carrier with catapult getting green light soon. I think that's would be a major milestone bigger than China's any space mission. That basically tear down any pretends that China is a developing country and go for straight up 2nd place world naval power. I am not sure if China is getting away from Deng's "bide our time...never claim leadership" 24-character final words too soon.

As a Chinese, from this tread, it is sad to see many gaffers misunderstood China. I think I should blame to western medias.

By any chance, please pay a visit to China and you will love my homeland.

About the OP, no. There will be no war against Japan. But I do admit that we don't like Japanese, same as they don't like us.

It's normal. Gaffer on average don't pay attention to world geopolitics. Amercians on average don't know much about world affairs either, thats why it was easy to hijack US opinion to have a war in Iraq.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Who has hegemony in the Pacific right now?
And historically, which country would be deemed problematic if 'militarized.'

My opinion is that all China needs to do to disrupt the hegemony of the US in the Pacific is to force Japan to 'militarize.'
Given the naval capability of the JMSDF, China is no match for Japan in a conventional war without US assistance.
But Japan has already started to 'militarize.'
http://online.wsj.com/articles/aust...arines-410166854?mod=WSJ_hp_Asia_EditorsPicks



What were the reason China holds animosity toward Japan again? I'd say this is exactly what China wanted, in order to get US out of the Pacific.

The JSDF is not going to want to sever its military ties to the United States. The US forces in the pacific are extremely potent and they collaborate very closely with the Japanese and South Koreans. You're going to need to explain why you believe an increased JSDF budget is going to drive America out of the pacific.

 

[baterism]

As a Chinese, from this tread, it is sad to see many gaffers misunderstood China. I think I should blame to western medias.

By any chance, please pay a visit to China and you will love my homeland.

About the OP, no. There will be no war against Japan. But I do admit that we don't like Japanese, same as they don't like us.

Aye, some people seemed strangely excited. I'm pretty sure everyone in Asia doesn't want war. Why would they waste all advancements that has been gained in past decades over some rocks. There might be some oil, but not millions lives worth oil.
But of course everyone wary of war. It is si vis pacem, para bellum after all.

 

[Valkerionseven]

Aye, some people seemed strangely excited. I'm pretty sure everyone in Asia doesn't want war. Why would they waste all advancements that has been gained in past decades over some rocks. There might be some oil, but not millions lives worth oil.
But of course everyone wary of war. It is si vis pacem, para bellum after all.

Because China is gaining power again and seems to have a weird superiority complex about proving themselves against their "enemy" Japan for some shit that happened 90 years ago. The grudge is seriously stupid at this point and their harping on it has gotten old, hence the lack of sympathy the world has for the story anymore. Teach the young about it, don't teach them to want to get revenge for grudges of another generation imo. Between all the political scapegoating of Japan by China and Korea about completely unrelated stuff, anti-Japanese sentiments in dramas, and more... its really just pathetic, love China to bits but I dunno, their rhetoric just annoys me.

All three have bigger problems to deal with and general I agree none want an actual war, but we all know politicians are morons who think like 5 year olds. All sides need actual adults to just squash the beef and move on.

 

[Kabouter]

Because China is gaining power again and seems to have a weird superiority complex about proving themselves against their "enemy" Japan for some shit that happened 90 years ago. The grudge is seriously stupid at this point and their harping on it has gotten old, hence the lack of sympathy the world has for the story anymore. Teach the young about it, don't teach them to want to get revenge for grudges of another generation imo. Between all the political scapegoating of Japan by China and Korea about completely unrelated stuff, anti-Japanese sentiments in dramas, and more... its really just pathetic, love China to bits but I dunno, their rhetoric just annoys me.

All three have bigger problems to deal with and general I agree none want an actual war, but we all know politicians are morons who think like 5 year olds. All sides need actual adults to just squash the beef and move on.

I feel like a post like this is undermined by being way off in terms of years and by using 'some shit' to refer to a war that killed over twenty million Chinese people and subjected them to many of the worst crimes against humanity committed in the twentieth century. Not to mention, shouldn't reconciliation first come from the past aggressors? Maybe by removing the names of war criminals from the Yasukuni Shrine? I'm all for the mutual hatred coming to an end, but your seemingly putting the blame on China and Korea to me is bizarre.

 

[baterism]

Because China is gaining power again and seems to have a weird superiority complex about proving themselves against their "enemy" Japan for some shit that happened 90 years ago. The grudge is seriously stupid at this point and their harping on it has gotten old, hence the lack of sympathy the world has for the story anymore. Teach the young about it, don't teach them to want to get revenge for grudges of another generation imo. Between all the political scapegoating of Japan by China and Korea about completely unrelated stuff, anti-Japanese sentiments in dramas, and more... its really just pathetic, love China to bits but I dunno, their rhetoric just annoys me.

All three have bigger problems to deal with and general I agree none want an actual war, but we all know politicians are morons who think like 5 year olds. All sides need actual adults to just squash the beef and move on.

Agree, it all boils down to politics. Common enemy is just a convenient tool to stir up support for both CCP and Japanese right-wing.

 

[Mumei]

Kabbles, change your tag. You aren't dumb.

 

[DrunkandDrunker]

The JSDF is not going to want to sever its military ties to the United States. The US forces in the pacific are extremely potent and they collaborate very closely with the Japanese and South Koreans. You're going to need to explain why you believe an increased JSDF budget is going to drive America out of the pacific.

I am in agreement with your statement.
However, currently the arrangement of the safety treaty between the two countries are abnormal. Case in point is the limitation of Japan's right of collective self-defense in relation to an foreign attack on US forces based in Japan.
It is my opinion that this restraint as well as article 9 of Jpn constitution, acts as a reassurance in the eyes of South Korea, which is a crucial part of the US presence in the Pacific.

Having Japan without the restraint of the right of collective self-defense in relation to the US forces, and article 9 will be a cause of destabilization of the relationship between South Korea and Japan. Thus affecting US presence in the Pacific.

I'd say it's not the rise of Jpn's defense budget but the removing of the restraints of a 'self-defense' force that will have a long term effect in relation to South Korea.

It doesn't help that the right wing LDP is the party which wishes the continued presence of the US forces in Japan while the leftwing are on the opposite side on this issue.

 

[Marky Mark]

I know this is completely anecdotal but my brother went to China last year or so for study and he said one of the bars he went to had a Japanese flag on the urinal so that you could piss on it. A number of Chinese people he spoke to also couldn't believe that he liked Japanese anime and culture since "they're evil."

 

[TarNaru33]

didn't china made a new missile technology thing that was going to make the US carriers obsolete? i remember reading such an article not too long ago it seems

You are referring to the anti-ship ballistic missile. See below

No. They developed an anti ship ballistic missile, which is interesting, but does not render Carriers obsolete for the same reason that the existence of Surface to Air Missiles does not render aircraft obsolete, or rifles do not render infantry obsolete. Chinese media love to exaggerate their own military capabilities and western media love a good scare story.

To be honest, while technical concerns are one reason, the anti-ship ballistic missile is a taboo weapon they can't use even if there was a war with U.S. To use it, would mean risking nuclear war, as U.S would not be able to distinguish it in any meaningful amount of time from a nuclear first strike that would come from ICBMs


There are reasons U.S and Russia have/had (they cancelled some agreements) limits to the speed and range of cruise missiles. It is so it would not be confused for such nuclear strikes.

A like how a lot of people (not referring to anyone here) bring that up in hypothetical conflicts between China and U.S, since it isn't well thought out.

 

[bbjvc]

I used to work with a lot of chinese people (chinese car importing) and they all think this(even if its not historically accurated, they all have the same mentality) :

-Japan used to belong to China
-Korea used to belong to China
-They hate japanese A LOT (they all remember the dates of the japanese invasion)
-China is getting a lot of weapons to invade china and korea soon, the same for taiwan
-They consider Taiwan a part of china
-They want to destroy the US

They also are nice people

The fact is:

-99.9% of us don't think japan at any stage being part of China
-Quite the oppsite, it is Korea think majority part of China use to belong to Korea empire.
-Not as how much the Japanese hates the Koreans.
-Taiwan still called 'Republic of China' and they consider mainland a rebel state. so technically, it works both ways.
-We don't want to destroy the US, but most of the people convinced that the US never want us to have a better life.