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[Jerm411]

After watching the Dateline show...Ken Kratz remains on my Mt. Rushmore of people I'd love to just punch in the face. What an annoying cunt.

Avery's new lawyer is pretty confident about what they're doing...be interesting to see what they've dug up, esp. with new forensic testing methods they've come up that she's mentioned.

 

[poppabk]

We don't know if a meticulous clean up was even necessary. He could've hit her over the head with something, he could've strangled her and thrown her in the back of her RAV4 and stabbed her. The point is, we don't know exactly how/where he killed her. How/where doesn't really matter though. All that matters is what evidence is available. Unless all that evidence is proven to have been planted, including his blood in her RAV4, then Avery is fucked.

I don't think she ever set foot in Avery's trailer. I don't think he forgot to crush the RAV4, I think he's dumb enough to think he could hide it.

The bullet says that he had to have shot her in the garage. We know that she was shot in the head. No other bullet was found in the fire as far as I am aware, so the bullet found had to have passed through her head creating an exit wound and a decent amount of blood.

 

[Nappuccino]

The bullet says that he had to have shot her in the garage. We know that she was shot in the head. No other bullet was found in the fire as far as I am aware, so the bullet found had to have passed through her head creating an exit wound and a decent amount of blood.

Not to mention they tore up the concrete looking for extra blood and only found deer blood.

 

[Kaiterra]

Oh god, WAOW TV 9 here in Central Wisconsin looks like they're going to be running a feature about how biased the documentary is, called "Making a Mockery." I fully expect it to be nothing more than a surface level examination of Kratz's E-mail crap that has already been addressed. Taking them entirely at face value. For the nine millionth time. Sigh.

 

[Aarglefarg]

Oh god, WAOW TV 9 here in Central Wisconsin looks like they're going to be running a feature about how biased the documentary is, called "Making a Mockery." I fully expect it to be nothing more than a surface level examination of Kratz's E-mail crap that has already been addressed. Taking them entirely at face value. For the nine millionth time. Sigh.

10/10 for the title at least.

 

[hawk2025]

Oh god, WAOW TV 9 here in Central Wisconsin looks like they're going to be running a feature about how biased the documentary is, called "Making a Mockery." I fully expect it to be nothing more than a surface level examination of Kratz's E-mail crap that has already been addressed. Taking them entirely at face value. For the nine millionth time. Sigh.

Part of the media is repeating the exact same mistake from 30 and 10 years ago.

It's fucking absurd.

I'll wait to actually see this one, though, but the title doesn't inspire confidence.

 

[dose]

There really wasn't any doubt that Steven was the last person to see Teresa alive.

Says who? Please point to the evidence backing this up.

Spoiler

Oh wait, there isn't any.

 

[Audioboxer]

Will this eventually be available on blu-ray/dvd? I know house of cards and other Netflix shows are, so I'm hoping this is too.

Probably, but for now Netflix will want subs to watch it.

 

[Chopper]

Oh god, WAOW TV 9 here in Central Wisconsin looks like they're going to be running a feature about how biased the documentary is, called "Making a Mockery." I fully expect it to be nothing more than a surface level examination of Kratz's E-mail crap that has already been addressed. Taking them entirely at face value. For the nine millionth time. Sigh.

You got a link to this? I know nothing about it.

 

[Jerm411]

Oh god, WAOW TV 9 here in Central Wisconsin looks like they're going to be running a feature about how biased the documentary is, called "Making a Mockery." I fully expect it to be nothing more than a surface level examination of Kratz's E-mail crap that has already been addressed. Taking them entirely at face value. For the nine millionth time. Sigh.

Didn't the prosecution want nothing to do with Making A Murderer and completely abstained from being involved in it? I know on the Dateline special, they made special mention that Kratz did not participate in MAM.

Kinda hard to be anything but one sided if one side doesn't want to participate lol...

 

[Haines]

I remember steven saying she stayed inside the car, and his nephew or someone saying he watched her walk to the trailer from looking through a window

Am i making that up, or was he caught lying right there

 

[figadapaura]

I remember steven saying she stayed inside the car, and his nephew or someone saying he watched her walk to the trailer from looking through a window

Am i making that up, or was he caught lying right there

If you're talking about Bobby Dassey's statement, I wouldn't put any stock in it. Bobby's brother Blaine contradicted his statements as well as the fact that he was sketchy as fuck on the stand and his only alibi is Scott Tadych who changed his statement about 5 times and couldn't even remember if he went to work or visited his mother in hospital that day. Neither of them are trustworthy and not indicative of Steven lying.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

If you're talking about Bobby Dassey's statement, I wouldn't put any stock in it. Bobby's brother Blaine contradicted his statements as well as the fact that he was sketchy as fuck on the stand and his only alibi is Scott Tadych who changed his statement about 5 times and couldn't even remember if he went to work or visited his mother in hospital that day. Neither of them are trustworthy and not indicative of Steven lying.

They were the two suspects in the whole thing that were so shady. Plus how excited Scott was to see Steven get the blame. When he smiles as they read guilty..Dude gave me a bad feeling.

 

[Mackenzie 92]

Watched the investigation discovery special. Pretty much the same as dateline, no new info.

 

[TheStruggler]

They were the two suspects in the whole thing that were so shady. Plus how excited Scott was to see Steven get the blame. When he smiles as they read guilty..Dude gave me a bad feeling.

I would also say the ex boyfriend, personally 1. Being an ex boyfriend is already a red flag, 2. He completely out of the blue guessed her voicemail password (it involved her sisters bdays) seriously no fucking way. 3. If he had her voicemail password couldn't they somewhat conclude that he deleted the missing voice mails? 4. He specifically gave two volunteers a camera and a phone when they went to averys car lot, and they found the car in under 15 minutes. (They were one of the few if not ONLY group given a camera and cell phone by the ex boyfriend)

 

[MMaRsu]

They were the two suspects in the whole thing that were so shady. Plus how excited Scott was to see Steven get the blame. When he smiles as they read guilty..Dude gave me a bad feeling.

Not just him also Bobby Dassey has something to do with this for sure. Pretty weird for him to rat his younger brother and have an alibi the only other creep in this case can attest to being true according to him.

Not just him and scott, but also teresa's brother and her ex seemed like they knew a lot more than they let on.

My question is how is Colburn still walking with a job? Didnt he lie under oath? Or was that Lenk

 

[TheRagnCajun]

Oh god, WAOW TV 9 here in Central Wisconsin looks like they're going to be running a feature about how biased the documentary is, called "Making a Mockery." I fully expect it to be nothing more than a surface level examination of Kratz's E-mail crap that has already been addressed. Taking them entirely at face value. For the nine millionth time. Sigh.

I'm sure their take on things will have no bias at all...

 

[TheStruggler]

Not just him also Bobby Dassey has something to do with this for sure. Pretty weird for him to rat his younger brother and have an alibi the only other creep in this case can attest to being true according to him.

Not just him and scott, but also teresa's brother and her ex seemed like they knew a lot more than they let on.

My question is how is Colburn still walking with a job? Didnt he lie under oath? Or was that Lenk

Colburn, he lied and said the dispatch lady said the make and model of the vehicle, when they played the tape he said it without her even acknowledging it meaning he found it and was probably looking at it. Then when they question and ask him about it he says "thats how I remember it" or something of that nature.

 

[MMaRsu]

Colburn, he lied and said the dispatch lady said the make and model of the vehicle, when they played the tape he said it without her even acknowledging it meaning he found it and was probably looking at it. Then when they question and ask him about it he says "thats how I remember it" or something of that nature.

Yeah wasnt there also someone lying about when they arrived? Thought it might have been lenk

 

[TheStruggler]

Yeah wasnt there also someone lying about when they arrived? Thought it might have been lenk

Lenk didn't sign in (though he should have) when they started investigating, he lied about his time of entrance I believe. He did sign out!, but I am sure the lie was about when he arrived on scene to investigate.

 

[gogosox82]

We don't know if a meticulous clean up was even necessary. He could've hit her over the head with something, he could've strangled her and thrown her in the back of her RAV4 and stabbed her. The point is, we don't know exactly how/where he killed her. How/where doesn't really matter though. All that matters is what evidence is available. Unless all that evidence is proven to have been planted, including his blood in her RAV4, then Avery is fucked.

I don't think she ever set foot in Avery's trailer. I don't think he forgot to crush the RAV4, I think he's dumb enough to think he could hide it.

You are creating an imaginary scenario to justify your supposition that Avery killed her. There no evidence that says he's innocent but there is also no evidence that says he is guilty either.

 

[TheStruggler]

You are creating an imaginary scenario to justify your supposition that Avery killed her. There no evidence that says he's innocent but there is also no evidence that says he is guilty either.

I would say them not finding blood in his bedroom (from a sliced neck), or blood in the garage (apparently where he also shot her 10-12 times) could be sufficient evidence to prove he did not do it. Avery is not the smartest person around, but I doubt he would be capable to clean up his garage and or bedroom of blood spatter. Even in the cracks on the floor in the garage or all the clutter he had, I doubt he would do all that clean up and even think about it.

 

[RustyNails]

Bobby couldn't have killed or known anything about Teresa because the school bus dropped him at 3:30pm. Teresa most likely left by then.

His stepdad, Scott Tadych however could have been there. IIRC he went to the hospital in the morning...it's just a weird as fuck family. Why would they throw Avery under the bus by lying? Tadych might have something to do with it and Bobby is protecting him. Or it could be that they were both trying to protect Brendan by laying blame at Avery's feet. I'm siding with the second scenario.

I really side with the Defense's truthfact that most of the time the killer in such cases is someone you know. The ex was one shifty fucker. Mike and him looked like peas in a pod and covering each others' asses. He knew where to direct Pam Strum. Pam Strum is the only one that was given a camera out of hundreds of searchparty members.

 

[MMaRsu]

http://www.theladbible.com/articles...ble-theory-about-making-a-murderer-yet-200116

Do you guys think this is a credible theory?

 

[Doodis]

http://www.theladbible.com/articles...ble-theory-about-making-a-murderer-yet-200116

Do you guys think this is a credible theory?

Seems plausible, but good luck to the defense in finding evidence to back it up. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

My question: what motive do Bobby and Scott have for framing Steven? He's just the easiest scapegoat? Or do they have reason to want him out of the picture?

 

[Salamando]

I would say them not finding blood in his bedroom (from a sliced neck), or blood in the garage (apparently where he also shot her 10-12 times) could be sufficient evidence to prove he did not do it. Avery is not the smartest person around, but I doubt he would be capable to clean up his garage and or bedroom of blood spatter. Even in the cracks on the floor in the garage or all the clutter he had, I doubt he would do all that clean up and even think about it.

Definitely wouldn't go that far. It's proof that the prosecution doesn't necessarily know where Theresa was killed...or maybe that he used a tarp or something (you exsanguinate deer, you'll learn a thing or two about blood). It's a hole in the state's story, for sure.

http://www.theladbible.com/articles...ble-theory-about-making-a-murderer-yet-200116

Do you guys think this is a credible theory?

The issue with that theory is literally anyone could have been the real killer under it, except Steven (although you can come up with plenty of theories that would still place Steven as the killer)

Seems plausible, but good luck to the defense in finding evidence to back it up. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

My question: what motive do Bobby and Scott have for framing Steven? He's just the easiest scapegoat? Or do they have reason to want him out of the picture?

Jealousy over a potential multi-million dollar payday? Didn't like how much of his parents' business Steven stood to inherit?

 

[Arkeband]

Jealousy over a potential multi-million dollar payday? Didn't like how much of his parents' business Steven stood to inherit?

That's a pretty good point. You have essentially trailer park boys living a very simple life, one goes to prison to come back into their lives 18 years later, with a shoe in to becoming a multimillionaire. I can see where some real dark thoughts would begin to stir.

 

[LevelNth]

The absolute most baffling fact of Avery's case and subsequent conviction is the excused juror's statement that upon jury deliberations the initial roundtable had 7 not and 2 undecided to only 3 guilty.

Now it's obviously definitely within the realm of possibility that those 3 were more vocal than the others, but that is a shocking turnaround that is simply almost too convenient to be believed.

 

[figadapaura]

Would be shocked to hear that the 3 guilty jurors were the ones directly connected to MCSD. /s

Bobby couldn't have killed or known anything about Teresa because the school bus dropped him at 3:30pm. Teresa most likely left by then.

His stepdad, Scott Tadych however could have been there. IIRC he went to the hospital in the morning...it's just a weird as fuck family. Why would they throw Avery under the bus by lying? Tadych might have something to do with it and Bobby is protecting him. Or it could be that they were both trying to protect Brendan by laying blame at Avery's feet. I'm siding with the second scenario.

I really side with the Defense's truthfact that most of the time the killer in such cases is someone you know. The ex was one shifty fucker. Mike and him looked like peas in a pod and covering each others' asses. He knew where to direct Pam Strum. Pam Strum is the only one that was given a camera out of hundreds of searchparty members.

Bobby didn't go to school. He had a job that he worked nights. Blaine and Brendan were dropped off from school around 3:30/3:45, and Blaine testified during Steven's trial that Bobby was asleep when he got home.

It wouldn't surprise me if Bobby was covering for Scott. Would explain a lot.

 

[Beerman462]

http://www.theladbible.com/articles...ble-theory-about-making-a-murderer-yet-200116

Do you guys think this is a credible theory?

More believable than the prosecution's story. Not sure why Scott and Bobby are always co-conspirators in these theory though.

 

[RustyNails]

Would be shocked to hear that the 3 guilty jurors were the ones directly connected to MCSD. /s



Bobby didn't go to school. He had a job that he worked nights. Blaine and Brendan were dropped off from school around 3:30/3:45, and Blaine testified during Steven's trial that Bobby was asleep when he got home.

It wouldn't surprise me if Bobby was covering for Scott. Would explain a lot.

Oh really? I dont think we heard any of Blaine's testimony did we, or am I forgetting.

If that's the case then Bobby really creates Tadych's alibi for him.

 

[Jmanunknown]

Would be shocked to hear that the 3 guilty jurors were the ones directly connected to MCSD. /s



Bobby didn't go to school. He had a job that he worked nights. Blaine and Brendan were dropped off from school around 3:30/3:45, and Blaine testified during Steven's trial that Bobby was asleep when he got home.

It wouldn't surprise me if Bobby was covering for Scott. Would explain a lot.

Scott Tadych was interviewed three times in a 6 month span and with each interview it seemed like he remembered more and more details. That seems odd and with each interview it seemed like he was trying to point toward Brendan Dassey and by the end he pretty much tried to pin the murder on Steven Avery. Also one thing that stuck out to me is that during the initial round of interviews Bobby was the only person who remembered what Teresa was wearing Blaine, Brendan, nor Steven remembered what she was wearing.

 

[Jerm411]

The absolute most baffling fact of Avery's case and subsequent conviction is the excused juror's statement that upon jury deliberations the initial roundtable had 7 not and 2 undecided to only 3 guilty.

Now it's obviously definitely within the realm of possibility that those 3 were more vocal than the others, but that is a shocking turnaround that is simply almost too convenient to be believed.

I think they were bullied into switching their verdicts...

 

[Haines]

So why is this season 1 anyways. Is the next season a different story?

 

[LSauchelli]

So why is this season 1 anyways. Is the next season a different story?

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But in all seriousness, there could be a season 2, considering what's going on with the case. I guess Netflix might also see interest in this kind of real crime documentary series to order some sort spin-off.

 

[Shenmue]

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But in all seriousness, there could be a season 2, considering what's going on with the case. I guess Netflix might also see interest in this kind of real crime documentary series to order some sort spin-off.

I'd like a season 2 to go into Kratz's disgusting behavior toward abuse victims. The bits near the end of the series where he's on the hot seat are the best.

 

[Haines]

Does Steve make anything from the show?

 

[figadapaura]

Does Steve make anything from the show?

Of course not.

 

[Ayt]

So why is this season 1 anyways. Is the next season a different story?

All shows with multiple episodes appear as seasons on Netflix even if there is only one season.

 

[figadapaura]

New tweet:

One thing perps & planters have in common is leaving their signatures at the crime scene. Science always transcribes.

Everyone involved in this case can't be getting much sleep lately. I really hope she actually has something significant. Her tweets suggest she does and I can't wait for it come out.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

All shows with multiple episodes appear as seasons on Netflix even if there is only one season.

Yeah, I think it's a core part of their database structure. I've never seen multiple episodes of a thing not have a season number, even if it's a one-off.

 

[Nothus]

New tweet:



Everyone involved in this case can't be getting much sleep lately. I really hope she actually has something significant. Her tweets suggest she does and I can't wait for it come out.

Is it just me that finds that a little bit...unprofessional of a lawyer to be tweeting stuff like that?
I know she's probably just trying to keep the case at the forefront of the media attention, but still.

 

[gamz]

Is it just me that finds that a little bit...unprofessional of a lawyer to be tweeting stuff like that?
I know she's probably just trying to keep the case at the forefront of the media attention, but still.

No. Using social media is smart because you never know where you'll get info from and maybe someone will Crack and spill the beans.

 

[Jerm411]

Is it just me that finds that a little bit...unprofessional of a lawyer to be tweeting stuff like that?
I know she's probably just trying to keep the case at the forefront of the media attention, but still.

Seeing the tactics Kratz and co. used originally....all bets are off IMO.

 

[Audioboxer]

Is it just me that finds that a little bit...unprofessional of a lawyer to be tweeting stuff like that?
I know she's probably just trying to keep the case at the forefront of the media attention, but still.

As long as it doesn't prevent her defending her client then it's actually pretty effective at making everyone involved sweat it.

 

[gogosox82]

I would say them not finding blood in his bedroom (from a sliced neck), or blood in the garage (apparently where he also shot her 10-12 times) could be sufficient evidence to prove he did not do it. Avery is not the smartest person around, but I doubt he would be capable to clean up his garage and or bedroom of blood spatter. Even in the cracks on the floor in the garage or all the clutter he had, I doubt he would do all that clean up and even think about it.

All it proves is that they don't know where she was killed, which is a significant hole for the prosecution for sure, but it doesn't fully exonerate Avery.

http://www.theladbible.com/articles...ble-theory-about-making-a-murderer-yet-200116

Do you guys think this is a credible theory?

It seems plausible.

 

[Skellig Gra]

All it proves is that they don't know where she was killed, which is a significant hole for the prosecution for sure, but it doesn't fully exonerate Avery.

It also proves that the prosecution can't prove he did it because they don't even know what happened.

 

[gogosox82]

It also proves that the prosecution can't prove he did it because they don't even know what happened.

Agree but that alone won't fully exonerate him.

 

[LSauchelli]

All it proves is that they don't know where she was killed, which is a significant hole for the prosecution for sure, but it doesn't fully exonerate Avery.

Only, this isn't Ace Attorney and if the story of the prosecution doesn't make any sense, the defense doesn't have to come up with 'the real culprit' in order to exonerate the defendant.

Innocent until proven guilty, remember? I know, it's cliche at this point, but it's got to be repeated because we don't get to assume he did it without reasonable evidence, and all the evidence is either incredibly shady or has a pretty good explanation for existing. If the prosecution can't even get the story about HOW and WHERE he supposedly killed her, how can you say that he should still be found guilty?

 

[spekkeh]

I really side with the Defense's truthfact that most of the time the killer in such cases is someone you know. The ex was one shifty fucker. Mike and him looked like peas in a pod and covering each others' asses. He knew where to direct Pam Strum. Pam Strum is the only one that was given a camera out of hundreds of searchparty members.

Yeah this is my theory as well (though I've only watched episodes 1-5 so far, it so painful to watch I'm going super slow lol), either her ex Ryan or her brother Mike killed her. They probably have a relative in the police force who they contacted confessing it. This person knew about the predicament Colburn et al were in and said 'okay I can make this go away'. They then frame Avery for it so he can no longer sue the police department. Probably already burned her at that point, can't find the car keys, use the spare keys to drive her 4wd to Avery's lot, move the remains over, delete the incriminating evidence from her voicemail, etc. And then start the search squarely aimed at implicating Avery.

Of course proof for this is even more lacking than for the actual indictment of Avery. But there's simply too much wrong with the evidence and conduct to go for anything else than a mistrial.