Thrillhouse
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Malaysia is a freakin Muslim country... So what? It is the most stable, least violent country in probably all of Asia... except you know Japan or something.
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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean
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I just don't understand how you haven't found a seat, a suitcase... a shred of aluminum... It's really nuts. If that plane hit the water, it broke. It didn't go down whole.
That many unexpected terrorist acts are tied to Muslim beliefs; it's not something I need to spell out, history does it for me. The post had said he didn't think there was any (bad blood) between the Malay and Chinese, and couldn't think of a justification. I gave a reasonable theory. I didn't say it was fact.
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Your theory is based on the assumption that all Muslims are homogenous (i.e. capable of terrorism) and that assumption is wrong.
I think you've spend too much time watching fox news
That's not true at all. The theory is based on the fact that there are wackos in every religion that misinterpret and act far beyond whatever the values of their religion is.
But it's classic GAF to do this, so keep on going guys. You're all highly cultured and have an incredible world-view. I'll continue the conversation with those of us who are trying to understand the situation and consider any and all perspectives/situations.
No...just no. They're tied to extreme wackos who represent a minority of the populous.
Thanks for disagreeing with me, yet saying exactly what I said.
That's not what you said in the slightest. Nice try.
That's not what I quoted... Read what I quoted.
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Yes there are wackos in every religion. The plane also had a group of artists from China and another group of people who belong to some Buddist society. Clearly it could also have been mad artists or crazy buddists who wanted to bomb the plane.
Your theory is based on nothing except for how you think that Muslims are more likely to be terrorists.
Which I elaborated on since GAF loves to assume the worst, and said exactly what you said.
It certainly could be. I could also talk about the Christian presence in that area. I suppose I should have just said "religious presence", then. If you guys read a few pages back, the "Muslim" theory was brought up and it wasn't an issue. It was "Oh, OK" and we moved on. I brought it up again in direct reply to that post. It wasn't "MUSLIMS DID IT!" It was "Here's a theory for why it may have been a completely unsolicited attack", and it was meant as Muslim wackos. Sorry.
I'm not disagreeing with any of you on your thoughts/positions/facts. I'm disagreeing with the way I was interpreted.
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Vietnam's Transport Minister has reported that the oil slicks are moving at about 80km SW every 24 hours, so the location of the oil slicks could be useless all together as to where any wreckage may be.
You should have made yourself clear in the original post...terrorist attacks are tied to wackos not the belief. Extremists don't follow "their" so called Islamic beliefs, which isn't even part of the religion. They're sick people. So what you originally stated was being quoted because you made it sound like it's because of the beliefs themselves and not the sick nature of those individuals who are corrupt. I don't want to derail it any further but that's why I quoted you.
Yes, I am certainly NOT saying what you guys interpreted it as. I meant the "wackos". A shortcoming of my (lack of proper) brevity. I'll be more careful.
All of this said, I don't even believe the terrorist angle... religious-wacko presence or not.
Then why don't we hear about the Muslim in Burma blowing thing up there or china?
Thrillhouse
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The muslims in Burma are too busy getting slaughtered by radical Buddhists...
Just because they don't act there, doesn't mean they aren't there. Look up "Abu Sayyaf" if you want an example.
Regardless, I really don't want to sit here and talk about religion, assumptions, stereotypes, etc. I'd really like to try and keep updating the facts (and the speculation, I suppose) to try and figure out what the hell is going on.
Interesting. Where do your updates come from? A news agency?
Atraveller
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Asia is a big place you know?
I got that update from Cnn.
Not speaking to anything other than his assertion about Chinese and Malaysian relationships but that much is certainly correct. You are aware of how Singapore came about aren't you?
Apparently Malaysia's airport security does not check the validity of passports on any international database, hence why those passports were able to skate by security. If they weren't reported as stolen in Malaysia, they wouldn't be marked as such (which both the Austrian and a Italian individuals said they had them stolen more than a year ago in Thailand).
The only news channels I watch are Bloomberg (at/for work, which most politically leans left) and Al-Jazeera US (at home, which I don't watch very often because I prefer to click on the articles I want to read via their, BBC's, or Reuters' pages). I receive no newspaper except for Barron's on Saturdays. I have been using WSJ for this because they're quick to update (which is, in all fairness, a News Corp company). No FOX News, though.
The only news channels I watch are Bloomberg (at/for work, which most politically leans left) and Al-Jazeera US (at home, which I don't watch very often because I prefer to click on the articles I want to read via their, BBC's, or Reuters' pages). I receive no newspaper except for Barron's on Saturdays. I have been using WSJ for this because they're quick to update (which is, in all fairness, a News Corp company). No FOX News, though.
Thrillhouse
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My point was that Malaysia is a country, that compared to other countries in the region, has few internal or external conflicts, and is a very multi-cultural country with little religious or political unrest compared to other asian countries. Therefore a terrorist-attack is quite unlikely.
I saw both reports coming from the Breaking News app with the original report coming from Reuters. I don't have links handy but two separates reports of there being investigation of 4 passengers on the flight and another of the possibility that they might have been turning back around at some point close to the time of lost communication.
Officials also say the pilot that claims to have had contact before the plane went missing is false.
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If they were Austrian and Italian passports, does that mean that those who used them were probably European-looking? And don't passports have pictures? If the pictures are faked, why not fake the names too?
Damn. There really are no answers to any of this. It just keeps evolving into more and more of an enigma.
First thing that comes to my mind, but it's also important to remember that if they've had the passports for a year or more, they've had time to manipulate them.
AFAIK there is no international database that is shared between countries for lost/stolen or revoked passports.
Just because a country seems friendly it doesn't automatically rule out a terrorism attack. It'd be idiotic to not look at every possible scenario in this type of situation.
Why would you fake a name when the stolen passport has no criminal history attached to it and will work perfectly fine to get through security?
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So how is it useful exactly? I'm guessing the goal is to not have their names on the passenger list because they might be known, but it seems a bit weird to steal a passport and keep the original names, especially so much longer after stealing them.
Thrillhouse
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Yes but it was written as a response to some idiotic remark about there being Muslims in the region. My point was, Malaysia is one of the most stable countries in Asia, and they are Muslims.
Not that it's a legitimate experiment, but a quick Google search and I couldn't find anything, you're more than likely right... which is kind of nuts. You would think that if a passport, used to travel internationally, gets flagged by any other nation, it would be noted to all other nations.
Well I'd think that you'd keep the name just in-case your real name is flagged as some sort of criminal or terrorist, and you'd need the passport to travel internationally, you'd just need to be able to manipulate the photo enough to pass security? I ended that with a question mark because I don't actually know
What the fuck is going on....
http://www.smh.com.au/world/what-happened-to-malaysia-airlines-jet-20140309-hvgq9.html
Live press conference occurring now.
This map did not say "possible" oil slicks when I reviewed it a few hours ago... it just said "oil slicks"
Source: WSJ
Reuters is reporting that "investigators" are now reviewing CCTV footage of the passport holders in-question's arrival to airport, check-in, security check, etc. Apparently all four bought their tickets through a travel broker in China? Has anyone else seen that?
Also, BBC (who is usually last to report anything because they spend so much time checking their sources) confirms the "four suspect passenger" theory.
Source: WSJ
Reuters is reporting that "investigators" are now reviewing CCTV footage of the passport holders in-question's arrival to airport, check-in, security check, etc. Apparently all four bought their tickets through a travel broker in China? Has anyone else seen that?
Also, BBC (who is usually last to report anything because they spend so much time checking their sources) confirms the "four suspect passenger" theory.
Yup. Which must be exactly why they don't trust that oil slick to be anything of use, I'd bet!
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link to press conference?
It's since finished, but you can watch it here when they do another press conference at 3pm Malaysian time, so 1 hour and 40 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymj16F4ZwL8
Yahoo Malaysia ended up reporting (maybe three hours ago now) that there were two other passports that didn't line up. We had a few GAF'ers (if you read back a page or two through the religious BS) confirm this, and now BBC is confirming it. There are four fake/stolen/improper passports that were used in flight check-ins.
Keep in mind that many are saying that this is not uncommon in Southeast Asia, though.
Pandemic, I didn't get to see the conference, but I'm reading now that they talked about a possible landing on a remote peninsula? Is that true?
Sidenote: Someone please tell me that you just saw the NK "elections" report on this YouTube channel. That NK hits the polls today to elect their new leader... and that there's only one candidate...
From what I recall, they didn't mention anything of that nature. Just mentioned who is involved in the search effort and the fact that the plane may have turned back
breakfuss
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lol, not sure if you were being sarcastic, but it's since been answered by others (cnn). so yeah. Really hope this business of stolen passports is just coincidence, though.
Ah, OK. Thanks.
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EDIT: What I wrote here was said by Malaysia to be false.
I try to write on GAF in a manner that isn't consistent with the rest of the internet's sarcasm, hate, and overall shitty-ness (though, as you can see with the previous "Muslim" debacle, it isn't very effective); I'm never sarcastic on here... and this is pretty much the only place I write anything on the internet.
I was all about the "coincidence" until they found the other two... now I'm leaning toward... well, the other way.
Malaysia and Vietnam have both review their sonar radar's records for the time period where the flight disappeared and have found no variances from normal (meaning they don't have anything that would suggest a plane slammed or sank into the gulf).
Looking at Visa requirements by nationality a passport from various countries in Europe don't have some of the restrictions that passports from various SE Asian countries have. To get into China you need a visa before they let you on the plane for Malaysian citizens (and neighboring countries) but an Italian passport will get you in visa-free at select Chinese airports (including Beijing) for 72 hours. The motivation do this would likely include illegal activity but that doesn't really prove or disprove an act of terrorism in this case.
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Just a random theory, not sure yet if that will confirmed, but among all the passengers there are four countries listed for which there was only one passenger, two of which are the Austrian and Italian passports. I wonder if the other two passports would be the Russian and Netherlands ones:
10. Russia - 1
11. Italy - 1
13. Netherlands - 1
14. Austria - 1
10. Russia - 1
11. Italy - 1
13. Netherlands - 1
14. Austria - 1
ostrichKing
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If this is something criminal I wonder if it has anything to do with that leaked warning that airlines should be on high alert for possible shoe bomb attempts....was on February 19th when that warning was issued...This whole thing is so weird...probably not terror related at all...but who knows?
Sure, and they've stated that drug trafficking is a huge use for the false passport thing. But good info. If you're flying to the US, you have to pass US security checks-- I would assume China would apply the same to their in-bound flights.
Good eye. Would make sense.
I dropped my girlfriend off at the airport (Seattle) earlier today and didn't notice any activity that was out of the ordinary. Maybe a few more cops, but that's it. She said there wasn't anything extraordinary about security.
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