Megalosaro
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Is it possible we'll never know what happened to this plane? This is starting to sound like another Emila Earhart. The search area is literally thousands of miles
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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean
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here's a really shitty (so please don't quote it) mspaint showing the distinction. Any myriad possibilities could have taken place that results in the position of the plane being along the circular red line at exactly 8:11AM. It literally could have doubled back and been at the top of the southern line, in Indonesia, for example. So saying it's a 'flight path' is misleading as that would imply it's at the endpoint furthest away.
OK, I totally read that map incorrectly.
Because my next question was gonna be "why do they only think it took two specific paths, either north or south?"
Well, the red lines are all an exact distance from the satellite that was corroborated to have received the last verifiable MH370 ping at 8:11. Based on the timing of that ping it is impossible for the plane to have been anywhere else except that exact distance away from the satellite, at exactly 8:11
Why would there be weapons (nuclear or otherwise) in abandoned bases?
possible? yes
probable? no
but really, without a time machine your question is impossible to answer
Thanks. This thing has been hard to follow.
chaosblade
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I don't think he means nuclear weapons at those bases. Get the nukes through alternative means (Pakistan, North Korea) and now they have a 777 they can use to transport it and blow up _____.
That said, it's incredibly unlikely because this plane will attract a ton of attention if it's ever seen in the air, anybody who has gone through this much effort to sneak a wanted plane to some abandoned airport in Asia is going to realize that. And it's not getting close to any major cities or anything withing being seen on military radars first.
who said that?
That was never said. What was originally reported was that the engine was subsequently sending automated pings for 4 hours (thus implying 4 hours more of flight). This was denied by Rolls Royce (confirmed) and the sites running the story then corrected it to say satellite pings for at least 4 hours after transponder was shut off (which may be related to the latest verified information, though this one goes up till 8:11AM or ~7 hours)
The airplane presumably had 8 hours of fuel, so it could have flown for 1 more hour beyond that point of last detection, at 8:11
TrueGrime
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Immediate pressure loss at high altitude? Maybe even at lower altitude? Something like that can cause the cabin to rip itself apart.
It was always around 7 hours. Thats one of the few things which didn't change.
How would anybody know that it's "this plane" up in the air, though? If they use the exact same transponder (without altering it) there's the Mode S Code, I guess...but does the FAA even look at that thing over the course of a normal day? Is it compared to a database of similar codes? Hell, they could even paint "United" over "Malaysian Airlines" easy enough if they wanted to pass visual muster.
The nukes themselves aren't hard to get for the initiated:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c4f4NJSB_4&feature=youtu.be&t=4m22s
The nukes themselves aren't hard to get for the initiated:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c4f4NJSB_4&feature=youtu.be&t=4m22s
Oh alright, I got that mixed up. I read about the plane flying for another 4 hours before it presumably crashed and people were saying it must have crashed after running out of fuel. Pretty confusing.
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Again why do people even assume the plane would have followed either corridor after being hijacked and having changed course more than once?
CurlySaysX
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Could the plane have flown out to space? could it be on thhe moon?
here's a really shitty (so please don't quote it) mspaint showing the distinction. Any myriad possibilities could have taken place that results in the position of the plane being along the circular red line at exactly 8:11AM. It literally could have doubled back and been at the top of the southern line, in Indonesia, for example. So saying it's a 'flight path' is misleading as that would imply it's at the endpoint furthest away.
Is based on the distance to the satellite:
Literally discussed and answered on this page. Geez. :|
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Its odd that from what we are told, that no other satellites picked up the planes presence. The northern last point covers a lot of land, and no countries air radars picked it up? And to the south, Austrailia's radars didn't register the aircraft? Yet a satellite thousands of miles away in the ocean did
Betta Lines
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The satellite was in constant communication with one of the engines, sending flight data to engineers for monitoring. It wasn't simply picked up.
Sectorseven
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Well, if they have the time and list of possible locations it could be at that time, couldn't they go back to the spy satellites and see if they've got photos of the plane?
Ah, ok fair enough
Yes, this is the opening salvo of the lunar rebellion.
I'm going to assume that the red line is actually pretty wide in real life.
EatChildren
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Yeah, remember, the satellite isn't saying "this is the flight path" or "it's anywhere in this space". The satellite just provides data of how far away the aircraft is from the satellite's location. At 08:11am MH370 was pinged at X distance, and so that map shows the possible spread of locations, not necessarily how it got there. Unless the data is busted at 08:11am MH370 was somewhere along those red lines.
TrueGrime
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Amazing isn't it? With all the technology that is available that when an entire jetliner vanishes there's still questions and doubt.
Sectorseven
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At the very least it would be worth checking for any airports that line up in case it had already landed.
The satellite doesn't even explicitly provide distance info, does it? Isn't it literally engineers going, "Ok, the ping between the satellite and engine took this long, so it's this far away..."
Yes, they calculated the distance (to the satellite) that way. Had they had two satellites, they could fine the exact location via trilateration.
DoktorEvil
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I think for the sake of everyone involved there has to be closure, not hanging doubts.
This is interesting too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_useful_consciousness
At 45,000 feet in an unpressurized cabin, passengers and crew would only be conscious for 9-15 seconds. They'd barely have time to get out of their seats, let alone fight back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_useful_consciousness
At 45,000 feet in an unpressurized cabin, passengers and crew would only be conscious for 9-15 seconds. They'd barely have time to get out of their seats, let alone fight back.
so let's eliminate China and India assuming they have radar capable of seeing a 777. it helps to eliminate a lot of possibles.From WNYC: 634 runways where the plane could have landed. No idea how many of them are unattended, however.
TrueGrime
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Not to get too much off topic but still relevant, this site.. http://www.airdisaster.com/ ..lends a very good perspective into the world of aviation mishaps and safety. There's pictures, reports, and most interestingly (sometimes eerily) audio released sometimes moments before a mishap occurs. Good info all around.
Guess there's a good reason why they tell people to "put on your own mask first and then help people/children around you.".
Jesus is it possible for any site to be more ad/popup-riddled
(No adblock on secondary machines go me)
Cow Mengde
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I'm reading it's a kidnapping or sorts. How reliable is this piece of news? If it is hijacked, then there's a chance the passengers are alive.
TrueGrime
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Hm. Sorry about that. I'm running adblock and get no popups. Wasn't aware it was doing that. Apologies.
Until there is confirmation of a crash anything is a possibility. However, we have no clue specifically what happened with this plane. Any article claiming to know exactly what happened is FUD.
As far as modern day disasters go, when was the last time it took this long to find even a single piece of the plane?
We don't have confirmation of such reports at the moment. If it's hijacked and didn't crash anywhere then yeah there might be chance that they're alive, but it's just conjecture at this point.
DoktorEvil
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From WNYC: 634 runways where the plane could have landed. No idea how many of them are unattended, however.
What are those points in the water? Military bases?
Sectorseven
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Kidnapping doesn't really make sense. There's far more practical ways to abduct people if one were so inclined. Besides, those are mostly poor Chinese people who couldn't even pool a decent ransom.
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