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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean

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toxicgonzo

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Channel 9 News is now claiming the aircraft dropped to 5,000ft to avoid detection. Here's the tweet:

BREAKING: #MH370 dropped to an altitude of 5,000 feet and may have used 'terrain masking' to avoid detection. @LauraTurner_9 reports #9News

No other news agency has reported this, don't read too much into it yet

Edit: some Australian news outlet
 

Trouble

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It would be nuts if it turns out the pilot was using him sim to create and practice a route that would avoid radar detection. I don't want to believe that.
 
Been following on and off for the past few days - is there any consensus on likely scenario here? Pilot/Co-pilot gone rogue and crashed the plane? Pilot/co-pilot gone rogue and stolen the plane and landed it somewhere? Is it also the case that nobody other than the flight crew can get into the cockpit since 9/11 happened?
 
But then northern route = countries that monitor air space heavily due to history

I'm just saying the southern route doesn't make any sense given what we know, I just don't buy it.

Could it have been detected and shot down by one of those countries on the northern route who are now covering it up? Maybe. Could it have taken a route that evaded the military radar net which turned out to be more porous/poorly staffed than you might think? Maybe.
 

Falk

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Infographic made by Washington Post.
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This is really, REALLY good and just about sums everything up that's 100% confirmed, other than (5) and (6) which has yet to be commented on by Malaysian authorities.

If 5 and 6 are true the possible area of the southern arc can be significantly reduced due to min/max speed plot vs last verifiable location.
 
If just one other satellite picked up the final ping that has generated these two 'corridors' to search in, would those corridors immediately become a single point/small area?
 
If just one other satellite picked up the final ping that has generated these two 'corridors' to search in, would those corridors immediately become a single point/small area?

Depends. Two satellites would yield 2 points (circles overlapping), but depending on factors you could possibly dismiss one of the points.
 

Falk

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Technically yes, it would, but we don't have any idea what kind of ping was picked up at 8:11 - for example if it was related to a specific system on the plane, thus wouldn't have anything to do with other satellites.

The authorities who all scrubbed the data (again, quoted as FAA, NTSB and AAIB) would know, of course, and Lord knows that'd be their main priority right now to scrub more information as it becomes available (still hoping another country's radar/etc picked up something, e.g. 5 and 6) since the southern corridor is ludicrous.
 
Been following on and off for the past few days - is there any consensus on likely scenario here? Pilot/Co-pilot gone rogue and crashed the plane? Pilot/co-pilot gone rogue and stolen the plane and landed it somewhere? Is it also the case that nobody other than the flight crew can get into the cockpit since 9/11 happened?

Basically the only consensus is that deliberate human action took place. It's not known if the pilot/co-pilot did anything, if it was a hijacking, or what.
 

Falk

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They're *spheres* not circles of. Technically.

Well, the intersection of a single satellite's 'sphere' with the 'sphere' represented by the surface of the earth already creates a two-dimensional (or close-to) circle. So technically two satellites plus the earth's surface makes for three spheres resulting in two points.

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(please don't take this post seriously)
 
This is really, REALLY good and just about sums everything up that's 100% confirmed, other than (5) and (6) which has yet to be commented on by Malaysian authorities.

If 5 and 6 are true the possible area of the southern arc can be significantly reduced due to min/max speed plot vs last verifiable location.
WaPo, putting the world to shame.
 

Chittagong

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This is really, REALLY good and just about sums everything up that's 100% confirmed, other than (5) and (6) which has yet to be commented on by Malaysian authorities.

If 5 and 6 are true the possible area of the southern arc can be significantly reduced due to min/max speed plot vs last verifiable location.

Is the 45000 ft thing confirmed? Would be insane for it to have gone so high.
 

davepoobond

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Why would he leave evidence behind for investigators to stumble on, though?

because it doesn't matter. you hijack a plane, you're not going to have a normal life again.


I don't buy the southern route. Why go to the trouble of turning off the devices that can track the location of the plane and then keep flying it for 7 hours only to end up crashing into the ocean anyway?

Wouldn't all the air be super pressurized and therefor more dense so the plane could fly even better in an underwater airport if you think about it.

aircraft carrier with a landing pad that turns into a submarine and sinks under water.

they probably just incinerate the passengers they don't want by using them to power their submarine


A cave?

If they did hijack it, good luck finding it by now.

not literally, i was just implying they landed in the ocean. or oceaned, even.
 

Falk

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Is the 45000 ft thing confirmed? Would be insane for it to have gone so high.

There was a question during the press conference yesterday regarding the altitude of the plane after it changed direction, all the way back across peninsular malaysia. The answer didn't outright deny that info, said they had the information about the altitude and that they are talking to the service provider for the radar whether the height of the aircraft can differ because of the system calibration. They have outright denied a lot of other information, so the fact that this wasn't outright denied says something.

Giving them the benefit of the doubt they could have misunderstood the question.

edit: here https://soundcloud.com/falk-2/clip-2/s-804wP
 

crozier

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because it doesn't matter. you hijack a plane, you're not going to have a normal life again.
My only point is that so far all signs point towards a very deliberate and meticulously planned theft/hijacking. Whoever it was wanted that plane to disappear. And it would have too, except the engine manufacturer kept tabs on it despite Malaysian Airlines explicitly opting out of that program. Without that satellite data, we would truly be without a clue right now. Probably still searching the oceans near Malaysia.
 

hamchan

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USA TODAY has learned that the pilot of the missing Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 had close ties with a Malaysian opposition leader who recently was sentenced to prison on a sodomy charge. Just hours before the flight, the pilot, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, attended a court hearing in the case.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-flight-missing-pilots/6484249/?csp=fbfanpage

Sounds a bit crazy to me, since if you're an Anwar supporter you don't kill a plane full of Chinese people, who all mostly support Anwar since the current government discriminates against them with their policies.
 

BearPawB

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Sounds a bit crazy to me, since if you're an Anwar supporter you don't kill a plane full of Chinese people, who all mostly support Anwar since the current government discriminates against them with their policies.

I feel like a guy supporting the opposition is less likely to be a terrorist? but i know little about the situation.
 

Falk

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Anwar is something of a hero amongst a lot of the urban Malaysians just due to the political climate in Malaysia where a lot of governmental injustice and rigging is believed to have taken place across decades. He was candidate for Prime Minister had the opposition won in elections last year, and held many peaceful rallies across the country in the time immediately after that, reiterating the call for fair elections.

Regardless of the current (horribly unjustified, in my opinion) sodomy case coincidentally taking place right before this sequence of events, I have a hard time believing that he is in any way involved in this, nor would he condone it. He's been in Malaysian politics for a loo-o-ong time without any extremist tendencies.
 

Tzeentch

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The longer this goes on, the crazier and more elaborate the theories get:

Seems totally legit.

A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) states that Aerospace Defence Forces (VKO) experts remain “puzzled” as to why the United States Navy “captured and then diverted” a Malaysia Airlines civilian aircraft from its intended flight-path to their vast and highly-secretive Indian Ocean base located on the Diego Garcia atoll.

According to this report, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (also marketed as China Southern Airlines flight 748 through a codeshare) was a scheduled passenger flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing, China, when on 8 March this Boeing 777-200ER aircraft “disappeared” in flight with 227 passengers on board from 15 countries, most of whom were Chinese, and 12 crew members.

Interesting to note, this report says, was that Flight 370 was already under GRU “surveillance” after it received a “highly suspicious” cargo load that had been traced to the Indian Ocean nation Republic of Seychelles, and where it had previously been aboard the US-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama.

what first aroused GRU suspicions regarding the MV Maersk Alabama, this report continues, was that within 24-hours of off-loading this “highly suspicious” cargo load bound for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the two highly-trained US Navy Seals assigned to protect it, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under “suspicious circumstances.”
 
What's Channel 9 News? Your local television station?

Commercial channel. Akin to NBC and CBS.

Edit: Here is a Sydney Morning Herald report

Kuala Lumpur: Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 dropped to altitudes as low as 1524 metres (5000 feet) using a dangerous flying technique called “terrain masking” to avoid radar in at least three countries, investigators believe.

The plane with 239 people on board also kept to commercial airline routes as it flew for more than seven hours after turning back from its scheduled flight path over the South China Sea, they believe.

As the focus of police investigators has swung back to the pilots, authorities have revealed that whoever spoke to Kuala Lumpur air traffic control minutes after the plane’s main communication system was disabled gave no clue that anything was wrong.

“All right, good night,” some-one in the cockpit had said calmly, seemingly to mislead ground control that anything was wrong.

Investigators believe that by following commercial routes the plane did not raise the suspicion of people monitoring radar of the countries it overflew.

Terrain masking is used by military pilots for stealth flights. Based on the estimated time in the air, authorities believe MH370 would have passed over two additional countries besides Malaysia, although it's not clear which ones.

Experts say flying a Boeing 777 in such a way would be dangerous, putting pressure on the 250 tonnes air frame and possibly causing those on board to be air sick.

The New Straits Times newspaper in Kuala Lumpur is quoting investigators as saying the “person who had control over the aircraft has a solid knowledge of avionics and navigation and left a clean track.”

It quotes investigation sources as confirming the plane flew low over Kelantan in peninsular Malaysia

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing...vestigators-20140317-hvjlf.html#ixzz2wB7ZJNiC
 

Ether_Snake

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The longer this goes on, the crazier and more elaborate the theories get:

Seems totally legit.

Yes of course, the US would put a highly secretive cargo on some civilian plane.

The same sources are probably the ones that pretended early on that the two people on board with stolen passports were Ukrainians.
 

Tzeentch

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Yes of course, the US would put a highly secretive cargo on some civilian plane.
-- Given the baggage handling I've seen at some airports it would be more believable if they said the wrong cargo got loaded accidentally, forcing the Black Helicopters to get involved.
 
Ok, here's another question:

With half the world now looking for this plane, how difficult would it be to dismantle it and perhaps transport it to its next destination in sections, and then reassemble it?
 
Ok, here's another question:

With half the world now looking for this plane, how difficult would it be to dismantle it and perhaps transport it to its next destination in sections, and then reassemble it?

Extremely difficult, it's complicated aircraft that takes special tools and machines to dismantle and put together, I don't think a small group of people can do it
 

Trouble

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Ok, here's another question:

With half the world now looking for this plane, how difficult would it be to dismantle it and perhaps transport it to its next destination in sections, and then reassemble it?

Next to impossible. The airframe can't really be reassembled and still be capable of flying.
 

Ether_Snake

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-- Given the baggage handling I've seen at some airports it would be more believable if they said the wrong cargo got loaded accidentally, forcing the Black Helicopters to get involved.

Or let's turn that around and say Russia paid the pilot to steal the cargo.
 
Is there something special about the 777 that would make it more desirable than other planes?

If you're just going to load weapons on it you could probably accomplish that with most passenger planes.
 

Megasoum

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lol come on guys.

Just the idea that it landed somewhere and would then be able to take off again is borderline ridiculous and now people are talking about dissambling it and rebuilding it somewhere else? Hah...
 

Tzeentch

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Or let's turn that around and say Russia paid the pilot to steal the cargo.
-- Russia paid the pilot off but double-crossed him, and now he's wearing concrete shoes at the bottom of the harbor. In his place was a special forces agent with plastic surgery to look just like the original.
 

HoosTrax

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how difficult would it be to dismantle it and perhaps transport it to its next destination in sections, and then reassemble it?
Step 2) Hijack a plane full of Boeing engineers
Step 3a) Disassemble 777
Step 3b) Reassemble 777
Step 4) Process with genius plan

We're not talking about something trivial that anyone can do here lol
 

GodofWine

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if the theory that this plane landed with the intent to fly again is true, do we know if they can disable the engines data 'ping'?? assuming they watched any news they are now aware of it.

If not, RR will know immediatley that the engines are running...but i guess in the hollywood view they could swap engines...but then theyd need engines made for a 777 that are flight worthy...

wtf plane.
 
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