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Man Arrested After Leaving Small Tip
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TekunoRobby
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WELL the ruleset you've mentioned is the one I abide by as well. If you're actually curious (and not making a joke on someone's behalf), from my experience political party affiliation has nothing to do with tipping and neither does financial situation. My friend's and acquaintances run the gamut from staunch liberals to republicans, poor to rich, and tipping has always been dependant on attitude and their education regarding the actual payment situations waiters are in.Drinky Crow said:
RaymondCarver
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I tip only if service was decent. If it's a manditory % tip, I pay no more than that for large parties unless something is comped from my ticket. If service is bad, and I've had plenty of bad service, I don't tip but maybe a few cents as in insult to horrible service.
And at coffee shops, book stores, and anywhere there's a tip jar..... I don't tip to a service that I wait on. Unless someone serves me while I'm sitting down, I don't tip.
Being bereft of funds and in college doesn't matter. If people call me cheap for not tipping when I've had displeasing service, then I don't pay any extra. I expect quality.
And at coffee shops, book stores, and anywhere there's a tip jar..... I don't tip to a service that I wait on. Unless someone serves me while I'm sitting down, I don't tip.
Being bereft of funds and in college doesn't matter. If people call me cheap for not tipping when I've had displeasing service, then I don't pay any extra. I expect quality.
Cauliflower of Love
Banned
I think tipping should be outlawed. A waitress can easy handle 6/7 tables an hour. A dollar minimun tip per table, plus the 3 dollar average per hour and they're already making 10 bucks and hour. That's crazy for writing something down and carrying plates!
Nerevar said:
Did anybody else just hear something?
I agree somewhat, but I feel that on the customer side, that standard of behavior just has to be something that is habituated from a young age; as our society in general has become increasingly uncivilized (interpersonally), it just naturally manifests itself in various scenarios, such as while eating out or at department stores. I just don't see how it could possibly be enforced in any way via penalties (no matter how small). Nobody would ever go for it.
But I certainly would not be averse to a law stating that if a customer gets loud with you for no particular reason, after you have made every effort to accommodate them, you have every right to physically toss them out on their keister-- or at least tell them to go cook their own food.
BigGreenMat
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-jinx- said:
RevenantKioku
PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS oh god i am drowning in them
Like many others, I only tip when I deem it necessary.
The system is simply wrong. Its a terrible shame that waiters/waitresses get lower wages, but if that bothers you, get another job, or live with it. Shit fucking happens.
You want my pity for having a shitty job? Believe me, you can have it, I've had my share as well. But while I'm running register, helping guests pick out gifts, watching for theft, stocking shelves and keeping my place clean, I don't get any fucking tips.
The tipping system is too far ingrained to have it eradicated, but that doesn't change my views.
The system is simply wrong. Its a terrible shame that waiters/waitresses get lower wages, but if that bothers you, get another job, or live with it. Shit fucking happens.
You want my pity for having a shitty job? Believe me, you can have it, I've had my share as well. But while I'm running register, helping guests pick out gifts, watching for theft, stocking shelves and keeping my place clean, I don't get any fucking tips.
The tipping system is too far ingrained to have it eradicated, but that doesn't change my views.
Oh yeah, and places that have appetizer that are only big enough for one person suck. They're meant to be shared as far as I'm concerned, especially at the prices a lot of places sell them for.
Places with free unlimited breadsticks and/or salad/soup with every meal also own, and are probably more likely to get my tip.
Places with free unlimited breadsticks and/or salad/soup with every meal also own, and are probably more likely to get my tip.
levious said:
From Webster:
From Dictionary.com:
In my personal, print version of Webster's it says: "a substandard or humorous redundancy for 'regardless'".
I was always taught growing up that it was, in fact, not a word in light of the very redundancy spoken of. It appears, however, that it is acceptable is casual use, but still not in formal writing-- I was under the impression that it was not acceptable in either, or else I wouldn't have brought it up.
This is far from formal writing, however, so I suppose it's fine. Very illogical, though, considering that two negative affixes would generally be thought to "cancel each other out", so to speak.Loki = semi-owned
Saint Cornelius
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I would like to further this conversation by sending two steaming hot bowls of "chowder" to levious and Loki.
levious said:
Geez, no need to get pissy.
My original post about "irregardless" was only made in jest anyway (even though I believed it to not be a word), since BigGreenMat was telling -jinx- that he was arguing semantics; I figured I'd take a "semantic" jab at him, in jest (hence the smiley). I didn't mean to demean him in any way.And I'll pass on the their/his/her stuff-- I'm not formally trained as a writer, and frequently mess up things like that.
Loki said:Geez, no need to get pissy.
And I'll pass on the their/his/her stuff-- I'm not formally trained as a writer, and frequently mess up things like that.
I wasn't getting pissy... my comment was poking fun at both of us, and just as harmless as yours, and I knew you meant nothing either. I think this is the third or fourth time "irregardless" has come up as a point of discussion here.
p.s. I like Jordan!
EarthStormFire
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I will only tip 1 penny if the service is bad. One resturant I went to, I had to wait 1 hour before my order was taken, the problem I had was many parties that went in after me had their order taken before my party. Aparently the waiter forgot about us. After getting our food, the waiter never came back to ask us if we needed anything. The next time we saw him was for our check. We paid the bill with cash, and left a penny on the table with a note that said tip. To make sure he got the message.
EarthStormFire said:
LOL One hour? That's nuts. That also doesn't sound like ANY restaurant (or even diner) I've ever been in. Where I worked, if the customer was seated for more than literally a couple of minutes before you gave them menus and greeted them, you were in deep doo-doo.
<hugs levious>
It's all good brother...it's all good.
(the Jordan comment saved you
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Cauliflower of Love
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levious said:
Oh yeah, forgot the insert to raise the minimum wage dealie.
Mister Zimbu
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I'd like to remind everyone to please tip your local gambling associate (blackjack dealer/slot attendant/track betting clerk) if you win big. Yes, tips are expected there. Not much, just something to show some degree of respect and the fact that you're not a cheapass douchebag.
Mister Zimbu said:
I'd also like to give a big "fuck off" to that. The odds are against you in the casino anyway, I'm not about to give money away with no chance of getting it back.
And, in case anybody is taking a tally, I'm extremely liberal and have had my fair share of shitty jobs.
The proper etiquette -- and I can't wait for Wasabi to come in with the REAL answer -- is that you're not really expected to tip if you're losing, but should tip a SMALL amount if you're winning. I like to make a bet for the dealer every so often, and if a dealer who has been entertaining or lucky goes off-shift, I may tip them directly. Even if I'm losing, I will make a small bet for the dealer just out of respect. I ALWAYS tip the waitresses who bring drinks -- that's a no-brainer.Archaix said:
Okay then, the increasing amount of people that feel they are empowered in some way to enforce political correctness is the worst thing to happen in the 21st century.
Walkman to Walkperson?
Actress to, I dunno what do they want to be called these days, actors isnt it?
Not being able to call Japanese people Japs even though us Poms and Aussies dont give a crap when our name is globally bastardised.
No sir, I dont like it!
Walkman to Walkperson?
Actress to, I dunno what do they want to be called these days, actors isnt it?
Not being able to call Japanese people Japs even though us Poms and Aussies dont give a crap when our name is globally bastardised.
No sir, I dont like it!
videogamer
Banned
Fusebox said:
From what I understand, "Poms" and "Aussies" have not been derogatory terms. However, "Japs" is a highly negative term that's akin to the "N word".
Do you have any links about the "walkperson" thing?
Yeah, the only reason "his/her" exists is to have a singular personal subject (in other words, not "it") and NOT use the previous standard, which was "him" alone. I am personally hoping that "their" becomes accepted use as a singular subject soon, since I think that it's being used that way colloquially virtually 100% of the time.xsarien said:
Tritroid said:
That comment is just ignorant and wrong on so many levels its not even funny. Its like saying "usually, people on disability, use the this label to get perks since they are guaranteed first dips on parking spaces, elevators, etc and don't give a shit about who was in front or who has to wait." That is a malicious comment that has no back up of any kind towards the servers. Off course there is an exception, but really what was the motive here in pointing out the worse a server can do and putting "usually" right before it?
The servers know what goes on. You literally have to see it from the other side. As far as this situation, none of you were there. The guy did say he went through with it because the man was horrible. I dont say much because I wasnt there, and I know so many other things go into it.
And heres a wake up call for all of you. Try working as a server. This it not meant as Fine, before you talk try it yourself and see if you can hack it. My motive behind this is that having a job as a server really teaches you about people. It teaches you to see through bullshit. You see what people do to just score a free meal or just because they dont like your face. You see people who love playing a victim over something as simple as forgetting their sour cream.
One lesson I truly learned is that customers are people. I dont care who you are or whos dog you saved. But when someone treats you horribly because they are the customer, you will start seeing that being a customer doesnt make you any different. Its the person thats the customer and its the person thats the horrible person. None of this, Well I was the customer and they need to take what ever shit I fling at them". Nope thats you, and who you really are. There is a reason many people go during the first few dates to a restaurant. The way someone is with a server really is a good window into how they really are. No matter what label customer or not, it's just a label, really its not the customer its the person being the customer.
Which is why its not too surprising that the guy said he did it because of how bad the guy was to them based on what he was quoted on. Granted, you'd have to be there, as no one was really to really say what the guys behavior was.
On average, when most of the people complained about the 15% for the party of X or more at the places I worked, the managers usually discount the difference or say hey, heres something for you next time if they feel strongly that it wasnt deserved or food quality was low or what not. Especially places like Fridays, Applebees, Ruby Tuesday etc..
The managers do pay attention and they do take notice of the bad servers. There is a reason the restaurant business has such a high turn over rate.
Tritroid said:
You obviously have no idea how wrong you are here. Its easy to wear the white cap and point the finger from the outside. Any server will tell you, they have little rights.
Heres a tidbit.
If two friends are sitting at your table, and bet each other a beer for what not; if you allow him to buy the friend a beer because of the bet, you area liable for gambling and subject to prosecution.
Think I'm kidding?
A cop or anyone sees someone at your table giving their prescription drug to their friend, cousin, sister, etc... Because their head, ass, breast, arm pit etc. hurts, they can report it and what ever happens the server will be liable and subject to prosecution.
A women pregnant (visibly or not) orders an alcoholic beverage. If her child comes out with an extra toe, ear, etc. she can come back and you guessed it, sue the pants of the server.
If a grandfather orders a beer, gives his song a taste; a cop can come, fine the man, take the establishments liquor license, and prosecute the server in addition to a hefty 5 year sanction from working in ANY establishment..
It goes on and on...
They have meetings and meetings just to tell you how they can come after you. You wouldn't believe some of the crap they show you in cases filed against establishments. Places usually have these meetings every 3 to 4 months. This is in Florida, but most of the cases they gave us the articles on were from different states.
Haha, it's extremely entertaining to read people's views on this topic who have never waited tables and/or worked in the service industry. You have no idea...
I hope the guy gets fucked, but it doesn't really matter, nothing changes in the end. At the steakhouse I work at, we can add automatic gratuity of 15% for parties of 8 or more. It's great to see how the table turns out as the eat their meal, trying to figure them if they're decent people. But 9 times out of 10, you have to auto-grat people. It simply saves your ass, from uhhh, stories like the original post.
I hope the guy gets fucked, but it doesn't really matter, nothing changes in the end. At the steakhouse I work at, we can add automatic gratuity of 15% for parties of 8 or more. It's great to see how the table turns out as the eat their meal, trying to figure them if they're decent people. But 9 times out of 10, you have to auto-grat people. It simply saves your ass, from uhhh, stories like the original post.
Cyan said:
Read what I quoted from him. I disagreed with what he said about servers having it "easier these days".
rareside said:
Funny thing. I've learned servers really watch out for each other when the server is a guest. And an act of kindness from a customer goes a long way.
"Hey, I had them last time, they're nice people, be good to them or if they order desert let me take care of it.."
"I know food is coming out late, but can you see if you can help them out. They're nice people." (Server to a manager).
Its that rare.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
"Okay then, the increasing amount of people that feel they are empowered in some way to enforce political correctness is the worst thing to happen in the 21st century."
all the blackboards in our school in the north of England were removed because, apparently, they are racist or prompt racist thoughts. Weird, though, that the white boards that replaced them had no racial connetations....
Black pen was banned , and all notes had to be taken in an alternative colour.
That was retarded....
"Not being able to call Japanese people Japs even though us Poms and Aussies dont give a crap when our name is globally bastardised."
... but this is a close second.
all the blackboards in our school in the north of England were removed because, apparently, they are racist or prompt racist thoughts. Weird, though, that the white boards that replaced them had no racial connetations....
Black pen was banned , and all notes had to be taken in an alternative colour.
That was retarded....
"Not being able to call Japanese people Japs even though us Poms and Aussies dont give a crap when our name is globally bastardised."
... but this is a close second.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
just a note that in a lot of jobs in UK (at least when i was young... erm... all those years ago) , the management demands that the tips get put into a tip jar, with the total being shared out.
This becomes unfair when the rest of the employees are muppets.
This becomes unfair when the rest of the employees are muppets.
Son of Godzilla
Banned
As a person who's worked bussing, disher, cook, and waiter; fuck waiters, fuck tips, fuck women, fuck everything. I'm so glad I'm out of food service. When I'm with a party of 8+ I make damn sure the busser and cook are cut in on the tip, even if they aren't supposed to accept em.
videogamer
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Son of Godzilla said:
I'm curious, why would a party of 8 be that more difficult to handle than, say, 2 groups of 4?
eggplant said:
Because the two groups of 4 aren't sat at the same time. A party of 8 means you have to deal with 8 people at one time. It makes a world of a difference. The hostess or host's job is to rotate the floor not just to greet you. He/She makes sure every server gets a table evenly. Plus 8 people on a table mean 8 plates at once for a single order making it difficult for the kitchen and you.
Imagine all of them ordering drinks and then one dum faq saying "and water for everyone". Meaning 16 cups. And god help you if they all want small pre-dinner salads. You make those yourselves. This on top of all your other tables.
Its really more involved then you think. This is just a quick example. Don't forget, it kills your pace.
Shit man... don't turn Australia into America. Restaurant/cafe/bar staff are paid well enough here in Australia to not rely on tips. Tipping is so prevalent in America because restaurant/cafe/bar waiting staff are paid sweet-fuck-all and need tips to get by.Fusebox said:
edit: and just to clarify, if I was in America I would tip, simply because I know circumstances are different for staff there.
actually I have. read my entire post. employees shouldn't have to rely on the goodwill of customers for a decent pay.Mustang said:
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