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[kurtrussell]

Reputable news sites are quoting him as saying:

"We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you. The only reason we have done this is because Muslims are dying every day. This British soldier is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."

"We must fight them... You people will never be safe. Remove your government, they don't care about you."

Sounds a bit like a terrorist?

What about it? Explain how those things definitively prove terrorism.

Could be a mentally unstable lunatic imitating Islamic jihadis. Is there evidence otherwise?

Military base/soldier? Unfortunate happenstance. Murders happen everywhere, why can't they happen outside a military base or to a soldier? Is every murder outside of a military base or to a soldier considered terrorism?

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[Locke_211]

lock up your underage white girls. they grooming errone outhere

I don't know what you're trying to say!

 

[Jburton]

You could bang up the irish for years in prison, even if they were innocent.
Happy days.

I would hope your being sarcastic ..... anyway this is no place to start this conversation.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

Have you not heard about the Rochdale rape gang? Or the Oxford cases, 10 year old girls being sold as slaves by Pakistani gangs?

As an outsider, do you have any good articles on these issues? I'd like to read something in depth.

 

[Hindle]

Why?

Dismissing the issue as far right scaremongering is how the problem has got this bad, considering you come from a place where grooming is rampant, I expected better.

 

[SmokyDave]

lock up your underage white girls. they grooming errone outhere

I guess that's one way of showing open disrespect to the victims in question, which is what he was getting at.

I wonder why the girls didn't come forward sooner.

 

[Kubisa]

Every killing conducted to inspire terror and sway political thinking is a terrorist attack. Or at least that's how I interpret the term 'terrorist'.

 

[kurtrussell]

Reputable news sites are quoting him as saying:

Remove your government, they don't care about you."

Boy oh boy - these socialists sure are taking the bedroom tax badly :-\

 

[kobashi100]

But paedophilia isn't exclusive to Islamic groups, nor is it disproportionately prevalent in that culture. I don't understand why they need to be targeted more than any other perpetrator?

very true

It’s time to face up to the problem of sexual abuse in the white community

http://http//www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/06/sexual-abuse-in-white-community?CMP=twt_gu

From Stuart Hall to north Wales, the issue won’t go away. If you think I’m being ridiculous, read to the end of my argument

Every day across Britain, it seems, there’s a new and horrific revelation of sexual abuse: last week we had the guilty plea of veteran TV presenter Stuart Hall, who confessed to 14 cases of indecent assault against 13 girls, the youngest only nine years old.

Days earlier the possible scale of child abuse in north Wales children’s homes was revealed. We now know there were 140 allegations of historical abuse between 1963 and 1992. A total of 84 suspected offenders have been named, and it’s claimed the abuse took place across 18 children’s homes.

But after the shock has subsided and we have time to reflect on these revolting crimes, the main question in most reasonable people’s minds must surely be: what is it about white people that makes them do this?

Jimmy Savile is alleged to have abused 300 young people, and in his case and in north Wales, the abuse could not have happened without a wide range of co-conspirators either grooming children or ensuring the truth never got out. Hardly a week goes by without another white man being arrested in connection with sexual abuse.

I’m beginning to feel sorry for whites. I have many white friends and I know most of them are wholly opposed to sexual abuse. But they must be worried that their whole community is getting a bad name. I can imagine that, every day, with each unfolding case, they must be hiding their face behind their hands, pleading: “Please, God, don’t let it be a white person this time.”

And with so many senior community figures implicated, many of us are starting to wonder what will happen to the next generation of whites. How will today’s young whites learn that abuse is wrong when their role models are so tarnished?

First, though, we need to find out what’s causing the problem. Is it something to do with white people’s culture? Is it something to do with their loss of empire, and their new role in the world, as a diminished state desperately clinging to its glorious past? Do they seek to impose their last vestiges of power on the most vulnerable in society?

Or is it that, having spent so much of their history waging wars against each other, they cannot cope with the relative peace of the last half-century, and their frustration at not fighting is taken out on the weakest? I may have no evidence for this, but that’s not going to stop me putting it out there as a cause.

Or maybe it’s their religion? Child abuse in the priesthood has, of course, also been tolerated for decades, allowed to continue unpunished through a conspiracy of silence among the church hierarchy.

And despite the recent falls in attendance, Christianity still dominates European culture. And the Bible, which many whites still look to, has such verses as: “Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die. If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol [hell].” (Proverbs 23:13-14) It hardly fits with white society’s claims to care for children. And even those who don’t believe, such as Richard Dawkins, a senior cleric in the atheist community, have sought to downplay the gravity of child abuse, believing it’s no worse than religion itself. As he wrote: “Horrible as sexual abuse no doubt was, the damage was arguably less than the long-term psychological damage inflicted by bringing the child up Catholic in the first place.” Of course, what we really need now is for brave white community leaders to come out and distance themselves from the abusers.

Maybe, say, the new head of the Equality and Human Rights Commission should come out and admit the issue is “racial and cultural” and that she fears that “in those communities there were people who knew what was going on and didn’t say anything, either because they’re frightened or they’re so separated from the rest of the communities”. Or a white cabinet member could say: “There is a small minority of white men who believe that young children are fair game. And we have to be prepared to say that. You can only start solving a problem if you acknowledge it first.” Or the head of a leading children’s charity could say: “There is very troubling evidence that whites are overwhelmingly represented in the prosecutions for such offences.” Yet none of this has happened. And this saddens me. Because until we hear those brave voices speaking out against abuse, what are we meant to think?

I urge white people to break this conspiracy of silence. Call on your leaders to show leadership. To show us all that you’re not like the people who dominate the news headlines. That you really do care about protecting children.

You may think all the above is ridiculous; that I’m stirring ethnic tensions on an issue that is clearly about individuals and small groups of people and has nothing to do with race or religion. And that by making this spurious case I’m ignoring the core issue, which is that children, many of them in vulnerable situations, were terrorised and physically harmed by opportunistic men who were able to get away with their crimes for years. You’d be right.

But all of the above arguments were made within various parts of our print and broadcast media when similarly small numbers of Muslim men were revealed to be grooming young girls for sex. If you think the claims about white people are wrong, then so is the stereotyping of Britain’s Muslims, and the widespread questioning of their culture and their religion, because of the perverted actions of a few.

Since the “black crime shock” tabloid stories of the 1980s, editors have known that stoking fears about misunderstood minorities is good for sales. If you object to this article, then you should understand how it feels to be a Muslim reading similar pieces pandering to Islamophobia day after day – and you should object to those too.

Joseph Harker

 

[CHEEZMO™]

You stole my post you bastard.

 

[hym]

Well he might be a terrorist, but he must just be a regular nutter.

If he is a terrorist he's a pretty bad one.

In 2004, United Nations Security Council Resolution 1566 condemned terrorist acts as:

"criminal acts, including against civilians, committed with the intent to cause death or serious bodily injury, or taking of hostages, with the purpose to provoke a state of terror in the general public or in a group of persons or particular persons, intimidate a population or compel a government or an international organization to do or to abstain from doing any act, which constitute offences within the scope of and as defined in the international conventions and protocols relating to terrorism, are under no circumstances justifiable by considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or other similar nature,"

I bolded what matches, you got it the other way around, he might be nutter, he's definitely a terrorist.

 

[Juicy Bob]

I can't see how that can be avoided. To a degree, we ought to be 'after them'. Them being hardline conservative Muslims and the extremists that they support / create.

I understand what you mean, but do we know for sure that the people responsible for this today were in any way 'supported' or allowed to fall into extremism by their local or wider Muslim community as opposed to this being a case of some fanatical young(er) people letting their own hatred consume them and drive them to violence on their own?

 

[dripdripsplash]

Has it been confirmed if he was a soldier/veteran ?

 

[Bo-Locks]

It's well known that most child abuse happens within the family, but the specific occurrence of organised gang-related child abuse does seem to be heavily skewed towards Muslim communities. The CPS, the Police and some MP's have all said as much. There is nothing controversial in that statement.

EDIT: And I agree with that Guardian article btw. Paedophilia and child abuse do seem to attract mainly old white men.

As an outsider, do you have any good articles on these issues? I'd like to read something in depth.

The Rochdale case

The Oxford case and others are very similar.

 

[Hindle]

As an outsider, do you have any good articles on these issues? I'd like to read something in depth.

I'm about to head out, but I will do so later. If you wish to have a look yourself, The Telegraph and The Guardian have the cases.

 

[SmokyDave]

It's well known that most child abuse happens within the family, but the specific occurrence of organised gang-related child abuse does seem to be heavily skewed towards Muslim communities. The CPS, the Police and some MP's have all said as much. There is nothing controversial in that statement.



The Rochdale case

The Oxford case and others are very similar.

No, there ought not to be anything controversial in the statement, yet idealists are doing their finest to obfuscate the situation.

I understand what you mean, but do we know for sure that the people responsible for this today were in any way 'supported' or allowed to fall into extremism by their local or wider Muslim community as opposed to this being a case of some fanatical young(er) people letting their own hatred consume them and drive them to violence on their own?

We know barely anything about the wider situation yet. We know these aren't the first and we know they won't be the last though.

 

[Kuroyume]

I'm not in shock because I've seen so much terrible stuff over the years but footage of the guy with his hands stained red and those butcher knives is disturbing because you see that and a body a few feet away and your mind tries to piece together what happened. Some innocent dude woke up today thinking of a normal day and there is on the street slaughtered like an animal.

A 20 year old beheaded for a wearing a shirt. That's practically a kid. Fucked up.

 

[Zaph]

As an outsider, do you have any good articles on these issues? I'd like to read something in depth.

Here's a documentary the BBC did on Pakistani grooming: Exposed - Groomed For Sex

 

[Maninthemirror]

Has it been confirmed if he was a soldier/veteran ?

It doesnt matter, he got killed . Dude who killed him confessed on video

 

[kurtrussell]

The Oxford case and others are very similar.

Another one

 

[Joel Was Right]

Whilst clearly only some hateful individual could understand why anyone would want to mutilate another, the thing about Muslims committing acts of terrorism that puzzles me the most is this: what is it exactly they hope to gain? They are considered to be the aggressors, killing not for political causes but mere religious reasons. Ultimately, they portray all Muslims as a problem. It encourages more conflict.

Usually, I associate terrorists with those who have a concise plan and message to deliver, but more often than not these terrorists seem more intent on killing out of anger and hate than making any kind of political statement.

You would think they were vulnerable young men, slow in the head, just brainwashed into doing things like this but apparently some of them in the past have been well educated. This is why the notion of a false flag, or 9/11 being a conspiracy, is so popular in the Muslim world; they don't believe anyone would be as stupid to initiate conflict.

 

[Wrestlemania]

Islamic extremists who use violence to get their way have no place in British society.

Anyone who uses violence to get their way has no place in any society.

 

[PJV3]

I would hope your being sarcastic ..... anyway this is no place to start this conversation.

Yes I am.

I'm not sure why people are getting hung up over labelling this crime.

Murder, terrorism, whatever.

Some poor man has died at the hands of sick cunts.

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

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Right, and at the time of my statement, people weren't talking about quotes from a video.

There is a distinction between drawing conclusions both before and after the available evidence has been collected.

 

[Mastadon]

It's well known that most child abuse happens within the family, but the specific occurrence of organised gang-related child abuse does seem to be heavily skewed towards Muslim communities. The CPS, the Police and some MP's have all said as much. There is nothing controversial in that statement.



The Rochdale case

The Oxford case and others are very similar.

Where? Please show me this statistical evidence that shows the gang-related child abuse is more prevalent in the Muslim community than others. The overwhelming statistical evidence is that the vast majority a child sex offences are committed by white men.

Like I said, the recent media attention of the British Pakistani grooming gangs are well justified and necessary, but it should take away from the fact that child abuse isn't a phenomenon exclusive to Muslims. The key is vulnerability, not race or religion.

No, there ought not to be anything controversial in the statement, yet idealists are doing their finest to obfuscate the situation.

I don't understand how? Working within social care, it's apparent to me that the focus on these gangs to the exclusion of other perpetrators is taking the debate and focus around child sex abuse away from where it should be which is a dangerous thing.

 

[slider]

I understand what you mean, but do we know for sure that the people responsible for this today were in any way 'supported' or allowed to fall into extremism by their local or wider Muslim community as opposed to this being a case of some fanatical young(er) people letting their own hatred consume them and drive them to violence on their own?

Then we're veering into discussions about holistic approaches. I mean Islamic idealogues are, by and large, all about:

a) A Caliphate state
b) Palestine

Neither of those have an easy solution. Although I think the former shouldn't be for "the West" to decide. The problem it presents is that every Muslim (from the Uyghurs to Morocco and further South) has to pledge allegiance to the Caliph. Geopolitically it's untenable for "the West".

Edit: I'm sure the US has had this debate before but in battling Islamic terrorists I'd be really keen that we don't lose any values we hold dear in a democracy. A version of be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.

 

[Musha_Soturi]

Sad news. Condolences to the family of the victim. So glad I don't have to drive through Woolwich to go to my mate's anymore. Horrible area.

 

[Juicy Bob]

Whilst clearly only some hateful individual could understand why anyone would want to mutilate another, the thing about Muslims committing acts of terrorism that puzzles me the most is this: what is it exactly they hope to gain? They are considered to be the aggressors, killing not for political causes but mere religious reasons. Ultimately, they portray all Muslims as a problem. It encourages more conflict.

Usually, I associate terrorists with those who have a concise plan and message to deliver, but more often than not these terrorists seem more intent on killing out of anger and hate than making any kind of political statement.

You would think they were vulnerable young men, slow in the head, just brainwashed into doing things like this but apparently some of them in the past have been well educated.

Since there are no examples I can think of of what you could call 'successful' terrorism, it most likely boils down to a sense of 'eye for an eye' - we think 'your' soldiers kill 'our' innocent civilians, so we're going to do the same to you.

 

[Polari]

This photo... wtf? I can't believe how close people were getting to these animals. I hope they fucking die in hospital. People might say it would be better if they lived so we can find out more about why this happened, but that's bullshit. There's no reason to this.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

Here's a documentary the BBC did on Pakistani grooming: Exposed - Groomed For Sex

Thanks, will watch. It's funny, in America we think our racial and immigration issues are complicated but we never see shit like this.

 

[Sheeshor]

Wow, when you just read the first and the last page this thread is very confusing?! What's happening.

 

[kobashi100]

So I guess we are gonna see more Islamophobic attacks in the UK..

Also governments and media need to start discussing the impact of western foreign policy.

This issue always gets ignored when they search for reasons of why these things happen.

 

[SniperHunter]

Here's a documentary the BBC did on Pakistani grooming: Exposed - Groomed For Sex

damn

 

[shadyspace]

The Rochdale case

The Oxford case and others are very similar.

Here's a documentary the BBC did on Pakistani grooming: Exposed - Groomed For Sex

Another one

What in the fuck? I don't understand why Europe and the US's muslim populations are so different.

 

[SmokyDave]

What in the fuck? I don't understand why Europe and the US's muslim populations are so different.

Immigration and assimilation policies.

 

[liger05]

I'm in charlton/woolwich. Going by the Crap on Facebook I would say brothers and sisters watch your back.

 

[moggio]

What in the fuck? I don't understand why Europe and the US's muslim populations are so different.

Oh dear, do you think this is representative of the Muslim population in the UK?

 

[Arcteryx]

Whilst clearly only some hateful individual could understand why anyone would want to mutilate another, the thing about Muslims committing acts of terrorism that puzzles me the most is this: what is it exactly they hope to gain? They are considered to be the aggressors, killing not for political causes but mere religious reasons. Ultimately, they portray all Muslims as a problem. It encourages more conflict.

Usually, I associate terrorists with those who have a concise plan and message to deliver, but more often than not these terrorists seem more intent on killing out of anger and hate than making any kind of political statement.

You would think they were vulnerable young men, slow in the head, just brainwashed into doing things like this but apparently some of them in the past have been well educated. This is why the notion of a false flag, or 9/11 being a conspiracy, is so popular in the Muslim world; they don't believe anyone would be as stupid to initiate conflict.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism

A fuckton of reasons.

The 9/11 truther shit is "popular" simply because they hate Western practices(war inside their land namely), and so they say "look how your government is lying to you, they did 9/11, why do you trust their lies and bomb us?".

It's easier to blame your enemy, than to blame your own misguided followers.

 

[Head of Vengarl]

Jesus Christ.

Definitely top three

Dude has seen some shit.

 

[justjohn]

Where? Please show me this statistical evidence that shows the gang-related child abuse is more prevalent in the Muslim community than others. The overwhelming statistical evidence is that the vast majority a child sex offences are committed by white men.

Like I said, the recent media attention of the British Pakistani grooming gangs are well justified and necessary, but it should take away from the fact that child abuse isn't a phenomenon exclusive to Muslims. The key is vulnerability, not race or religion.

Yes but white men dont do it in gangs or sell them so that makes it ok. i think

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

Oh dear, do you think this is representative of the Muslim population in the UK?

No, but the fact is that we've never seen a single case like that in the United States let alone multiple.

 

[Zaph]

So I guess we are gonna see more Islamophobic attacks in the UK..

Also governments and media need to start discussing the impact of western foreign policy.

This issue always gets ignored when they search for reasons of why these things happen.

That's a two way street.

 

[PJV3]

That's a two way street.

They needed a slap.

 

[moggio]

No, but the fact is that we've never seen a single case like that in the United States let alone multiple.

If it makes you feel any better, I'd imagine there's a few knocking about. Law of averages and all that.

 

[ChanHuk]

Why don't the British arm their cops?

 

[zomgbbqftw]

What in the fuck? I don't understand why Europe and the US's muslim populations are so different.

Integration policies in the US are much better than ours.

 

[Juicy Bob]

Why don't the British arm their cops?

They do.

 

[Lakitu]

This photo... wtf? I can't believe how close people were getting to these animals. I hope they fucking die in hospital. People might say it would be better if they lived so we can find out more about why this happened, but that's bullshit. There's no reason to this.

Do we know what's with the car crashed in the back?

Horrible all around. Poor guy RIP

 

[kobashi100]

I'm in charlton/woolwich. Going by the Crap on Facebook I would say brothers and sisters watch your back.

its gonna get worse for the sisters.

we have been seeing Increased attacks on Muslim Women for a while now. EDF and there mug supporters will stir it all up.

 

[Mastadon]

Yes but white men dont do it in gangs or sell them so that makes it ok. i think

Apart from Jimmy Savile and all his mates like. And those one's in Derby