I'll wait in the Bus too, i'll have to wait until june 27...Damn you imax for delaying the MOS release in Portugal.
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I'll wait in the Bus too, i'll have to wait until june 27...Damn you imax for delaying the MOS release in Portugal.
Tizoc
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Thanks mate!
EDIT: I'd ask to add in 'Only on Neo Geo', but that'd be kinda silly now that I think about it XP.
I'm very happy to hear how awesome Lois is in this. Lois is one of the best of the supporting characters when it comes to Comic books.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hBLKKyGXho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hBLKKyGXho
evil solrac v3.0
Member
and this is why I bought an Optoma HD33 1080P 3D home theater projector. when that blu-ray comes out every version is getting bought.
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Simo, a word for the negative Nancy's? I've not read many negative opinions but the ones I have read pretty much hated the film, I am jaunt worried we have another TDKR on our hands
if we have TDKR on our hands that will be great. it was a good film.
I think it will be better though...
evil solrac v3.0
Member
Simo do they go into great detail about Superman's powers?
I refuse to every watch a second of that series again after the troll job Welling did in the final season lol.
Liquidsnake
Banned
and this is why I bought an Optoma HD33 1080P 3D home theater projector. when that blu-ray comes out every version is getting bought.
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if we have TDKR on our hands that will be great. it was a good film.
I think it will be better though...
The most re watchable of the three.
SlowRevolution
Member
at least rewatch the one where fatsuit Amy Adams eats people
evil solrac v3.0
Member
I like Dark Knight more but the hyperbole and hatred in this echo chamber gets ridiculous. people enjoyed it.
I know, I am one of them. But that doesn't change it from being the worst and least rewatchable film in the series.
BB > TDK > TDKR, in quality, rewatchability, you name it.
darkistheway
Member
Just when I though hype levels were at max... along comes the Nokia trailer. OMG, that music. I can't wait!
evil solrac v3.0
Member
ok.... but I would just not use so many negative adjetives to decribe it. a better third act than begins, not as good second act as dark knight but there you go.
legacyzero
Banned
House of MER, YISS.
Doctor Decimate
Member
i believe that's the trendy opinion to have, yes.
It would be more agreeable if you defined what exactly entails quality, rewatchability, etc. Not everyone adheres to the same narrative theory. Because all 3 contain massive errors in logic, comic book goofiness, etc, but also include excellent character development and effective villains that makes them enjoyable to watch they are, essentially, similar kinds of movies, with the same flaws as well as the same strengths. I personally never saw what made TDKR the weaker of the 3 when most of the complaints people cite can be equally applied to BB and TDK.
As for rewatchability, I definitely rewatched TDKR the least amount of times (4) compared to BB (6 or 7) and TDK (13), but I would very much prefer to see TDKR again over TDK at this point, so, like above, it depends on how you define rewatachability.
Begins first half is incredible.
BB is only rewatchable in the first half, in the 2nd half I just either change the channel or turn off the movie player. TDK is also really watchable except for the end with the night vision/ship scene although I can listen to Gordon deliver that epilogue forever.
TDKR I haven't seen more than 3 times. At times I like it and other times I get pulled down by some of its fault. Its hard for me to say how rewatchable it is but I would say I have difficulty watching the full thing without fast forwarding. Movie has some great scenes but also some boring segments with off scale pacing.
I am in the BB = TDK > TDKR but not by a lot. Each of the 3 have faults but are still among the top in superhero movies. I will say that the first half of BB is the best arc in the entire trilogy standalone. None of the films have a good 3rd arc.
TDKR I haven't seen more than 3 times. At times I like it and other times I get pulled down by some of its fault. Its hard for me to say how rewatchable it is but I would say I have difficulty watching the full thing without fast forwarding. Movie has some great scenes but also some boring segments with off scale pacing.
I am in the BB = TDK > TDKR but not by a lot. Each of the 3 have faults but are still among the top in superhero movies. I will say that the first half of BB is the best arc in the entire trilogy standalone. None of the films have a good 3rd arc.
legacyzero
Banned
Quality: the movie's writing, acting, direction, pacing, achieving what it sets out to do
Rewatchability: how well the movie does the things listed above determines how many times I would be willing to watch it again
BB > TDK > TDKR across the board in all of those for me.
You dare threaten my mother.
As far as rewatchability goes a big factor why TDK was godlike the first time but then trails off with subsequent views is that there are quite a few "shocking" moments in the movie which take you by storm the first time you see it. The impact of these shockers go down on repeated views and then you realize that's where a good portion of the movie appeal came from. BB doesn't really on as many of these plot elements so it generally remains the same on repeated views.
TDK has the advantage of the Joker performance which is extremely rewatchable. Any scene he isn't in though takes a bit to get through.
TDK has the advantage of the Joker performance which is extremely rewatchable. Any scene he isn't in though takes a bit to get through.
You didn't define quality, you just bulleted what aspects movies are made up of except for the last part. Because Green Lantern has writing, acting, direction, and pacing, and, at the very least, it was intended to be a story about Hal Jordan becoming a Green Lantern, which it accomplished. But I doubt you'd call GL a good movie. If you meant good writing, acting, etc, then you have to proceed to define what makes all those things good. Otherwise, it's like defining shiny as 'Having a quality that shines', which doesn't really tell you what shiny really is.
As for achieving what it set out to do, that is, at best, an educated guess and at worst an crippling handicap of irrelevancy. If a movie intended to do something well, failed at it, but inadvertently accomplished something else entirely well, then I would say that it is good movie. That it is accidental in this regard is irrelevent.
Imo, people very much overlook the fantastic character development that Bruce went through as he struggles to become the Batman that he needs to be. After so many rewatches, Joker's portrayal, while still very good, doesn't hold neither the horror nor humor that it did on first watch. But I grew to appreciate Bruce's scenes much more.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Ha, Supes is baller.
Are you being serious here? Of course I mean good writing, good performances, good direction, etc. BB has a great central character arc and development for the Bruce Wayne character and it mines its thematic territory with great success, hence the writing is "good". Similar breakdowns can be made for every facet of the film, which I not about to do.
As to the second point, I think you're misunderstanding me, and perhaps I shouldn't have said those exact words. "Achieving what it set out to do" really falls under writing. BB succeeds for the reason I just listed. Something like TDKR has a reach that greatly exceeds its grasp. Its ambitious, but the film suffers for it for a variety of reasons.
what is he saying there exactly? i can only get "my mother" but that's about it
You dare threaten my mother or you think you can threaten my mother.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
The Dark Knight is a better made movie than Batman Begins.
I've always liked the idea that Batman Begins works better if you watch it AFTER you've seen The Dark Knight. Which is probably how such a story would have worked in the comics - you don't get the origin until after you've gotten a taste of what the full-powered hero is like.
I do think Batman Begins is the most fantastical of the 3 movies, what with the feargas hallucinations, and Ninja High School on top of a mountain, so on and so forth. And I like that.I think all three of the Dark Knight films are good films, although Rises is overstuffed and flat for large chunks.
But The Dark Knight tells the story it's trying to tell better than Begins does. And the impact of Dark Knight is pretty clearly greater than Begins, as well. I know there can be (and are) arguments as to WHY that is, but it's pretty hard to question how evocative, impressive, and lasting Dark Knight is on audiences, especially in comparison to Batman Begins, which was satisfying and fun, but it didn't linger in the imagination the way Dark Knight did.
And that's my huge sidetrack into half-ass reviewing movies that aren't Superman for the day
I've always liked the idea that Batman Begins works better if you watch it AFTER you've seen The Dark Knight. Which is probably how such a story would have worked in the comics - you don't get the origin until after you've gotten a taste of what the full-powered hero is like.
I do think Batman Begins is the most fantastical of the 3 movies, what with the feargas hallucinations, and Ninja High School on top of a mountain, so on and so forth. And I like that.I think all three of the Dark Knight films are good films, although Rises is overstuffed and flat for large chunks.
But The Dark Knight tells the story it's trying to tell better than Begins does. And the impact of Dark Knight is pretty clearly greater than Begins, as well. I know there can be (and are) arguments as to WHY that is, but it's pretty hard to question how evocative, impressive, and lasting Dark Knight is on audiences, especially in comparison to Batman Begins, which was satisfying and fun, but it didn't linger in the imagination the way Dark Knight did.
And that's my huge sidetrack into half-ass reviewing movies that aren't Superman for the day
I for one like a non orphan super hero
TOM f'N CRUISE
Member
Well let's get some gifs up in here....hopefully not making the wait that much worse...
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I acccidentaly stepped into a Batman thread?
Lols.
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TDKR will benefit of what Solo is talking about when he mentions running time, there is a lot of scenes that doesn't make sense, or that serves no purpose only to extend the story somehow.
After the stadium collapsed there was a lot of downtime that wasn't necessary IMO.
Lols.
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TDKR will benefit of what Solo is talking about when he mentions running time, there is a lot of scenes that doesn't make sense, or that serves no purpose only to extend the story somehow.
After the stadium collapsed there was a lot of downtime that wasn't necessary IMO.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Not to sidetrack, but BB second half is pretty tough to watch now. TDK gets boring on re-watches. TDKR was the culmination of everything Nolan had learned. Just my opinion.
I know I am not right on everything.
I know I am not right on everything.
TDKR could (should?) have culled one or two characters/sideplots entirely, been 30 minutes shorter, and been a much better film.
BadAss2961
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The first half of Begins really stands out in the trilogy. I couldn't believe how good it was especially the first time watching it in the theatre. But it really does fall off after that, to the point that the movie as a whole stands behind both sequels imo. The monorail action piece is pretty bland.
For all the hate Rises gets here, its 3rd act is better than Begins and TDK's.
For all the hate Rises gets here, its 3rd act is better than Begins and TDK's.
My point isn't that you're wrong, my point is that you haven't defined what makes a movie 'good' up until now. Saying a movie has to be made up of qualities that are good in order to be good is just tautological and doesn't explain anything. And even now, rather than explaining what quality is in your own words, you're just pointing to BB and saying "that".
Which, yeah, is fair game and a good way to make your point. However, I can apply that to TDKR just as easily. Bruce's character arc comes to a satisfying logical conclusion where he finally gets over all his issues and goes into the theme of fear further. Therefore, there is no reason to consider it lesser.
Now, to continue the conversation, you'd have to cite the differences in the two movies, where and why you consider TDKR to fail where BB succeeds, and I'd have to reply to that. It's just somewhat tedious and it would be easier if you could define what a 'good' movie is in your own words rather.