You think so? The final Bane/Batman "showdown" is so woefully undercooked its shameful, and then there is the awful "twist" which undoes the entire character of Bane, several examples of atrocious acting, etc. I love the final 5 minutes, but the third act is a whole? Uh......
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You think so? The final Bane/Batman "showdown" is so woefully undercooked its shameful, and then there is the awful "twist" which undoes the entire character of Bane, several examples of atrocious acting, etc. I love the final 5 minutes, but the third act is a whole? Uh......
We better stay in this bus a little while, maybe we can see what Clark will do.
You really, really don't.
Doctor Decimate
Member
not to keep derailing this, but i think TDKR's problem was actually there wasn't ENOUGH. the film all but throws up a title card that says "six months pass" or however long it was, and it is clumsy as hell. you don't even get a sense that anything happened in that time, either. everyone sat on their hands until it was time for the bomb to almost go off. there needed to be some serious rewrites or just a full second movie.
Don't go into it.
With gifs of virtually every scene of the movie being posted in here what's the difference?
Yes, because that's the same thing.
If they'd not even bothered with the League of Shadows crap (originally the idea tickled me as a BB lover, but in hindsight its extremely fan-fic-y and pandering) and jettisoned Talia, they could have had a much more solid movie with that same run-time. Added bonus: Bane would be spared the complete character assassination he went through.
I didn't love Catwoman or John Blake either, but both are necessary for various reasons. Selina to give Bruce something to live/a chance at a real life, and John to embody the "Batman is eternal" undercurrent. Talia and the LoS? Served no purpose aside from fanservice.
BadAss2961
Member
The Bane/Batman fight should've been a lot longer, but the scene is so well shot and beautiful to watch. It really is too bad the fight itself was undercooked, but the whole movie builds up to that moment and the stage still feels perfect to me every time I see it.
I'm fine with the reveal at the end. Bane was still a badass, and he'd never been given the spotlight the way Rises did for him.
Vicetrailia
Member
My first time hearing about this move honestly. After watching the trailers...fuck yeah this isn't all all like the past shitty sup movies. Will see.
Doctor Decimate
Member
honestly i would have been ok that Bane was the son of Ra's. it's just the Talia part that gets to me.
Not that I can recall in recent memory. It's a shame too, as they were soooo close to going three for three with the major villains in the series.
Been my most anticipated film since it was announced. Can't wait to see it.
Oh and...
Oh and...
Rock Chalk!Rock chalk, Jayhawk.
evil solrac v3.0
Member
stop talking about batman already! this is Superman's time to shine, leave the darkness behind and join us in the sun already!
How in the hell is Bane bitchmade? Going by the urban dictionary, he never whines or doesn't stand up for himself or anything. While he is faithful to Talia, he has enough initiative to disobey her when he sees fit (he tries to kill Batman).
If he's bitchmade just because he's devoted to following the person he raised on their insane scheme, then does that make Alfred bitchmade too?
Well, the way I see it is we either get spammed with spoilery MoS gifs, or we talk Batman.
Besides, GAF told me Christopher Nolan directed Man of Steel, so really we're just discussing the director's previous work...
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
They could have lost Talia and everything would have been perfect, asides from splitting the movie in two.
I still wanted Alfred to kill Bane. Maaaaaaaaan.
Right, so my previous request. Can anyone please do it?
Can someone freeze frame this at the end and add the text 'My Body is Ready'?
Gotta prep for E3.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Because he does it all for a girrrrlllll.
you can dress it up, but that's basically the core of it.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Bane's actually a total boss.
Talia's sorta lame. Some days I go hot and cold on it, but her twist as being Talia was like... just there for the sake of shouting TWIST! I didn't mind it, I guess. I guess they wanted to parallel the Bruce/Alfred relationship... but Alfred needed to be in it more.
They should have ended it with Alfred blowing him away with a shotgun a Cockney "You know Master Wayne, I never was too fond of that 'no guns' rule myself." Then had an awesome father/son Bro moment that would bring tears to our eyes before the sacrifice.
I dunno. I still love the movie.
LOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
I still remember getting banned over that foiler (for calling someone a cunt) and then getting unbanned like 40 minutes later :lol
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Hahahahaha.
Was that someone screaming in bold 'BANE KILLS ALFRED' and everyone losing their shit or something? I think I missed that but found out after.
I woulda had a heart attack.
But Alfred shoulda killed Bane. Straight up legit.
Someone came into the OT and posted
BANE KILLS ALFRED
BANE KILLS ALFRED
BANE KILLS ALFRED
BANE KILLS ALFRED
BANE KILLS ALFRED
BANE KILLS ALFRED
BANE KILLS ALFRED
BANE KILLS ALFRED
BANE KILLS ALFRED
Like 100 times over in a post, and then managed to make the same post like 4 times before he finally got banned. In retrospect, it was a hilarious account suicide.
Okay? So? Alfred was for Bruce what Bane was for Talia. If the only difference here is gender, then then this is walking into sexist territory.
You keep bringing this up, but it'd have made way less sense than Catwoman, especially since that moment is the specific moment is the most essential piece of her character arc. I love Alfred too, but it wouldn't have fit, no matter how much you want it to. Bruce needed to connect to other people outside his past, which is also why Catwoman is the necessary emotional bond for him, not Alfred. Alfred saving him at the end would have undermined that.
Anyway, Talia isn't lame, but good god, Marion Cotillard's portrayal was. Nolan is a good story writer, but I think he needs someone who cares more about presentation to do the directing. MoS will confirm whether this is true.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
exactly.
shira
Member
Solo alt confirmed. Who remembers that shit
ShabbadooJr
Member
Since I've asked the Sony faithful, I figured I'd ask here as well.
I have tickets to see this Monday night, do I wait and see it Friday and watch the Sony E3 conference live or go Monday night?
I have tickets to see this Monday night, do I wait and see it Friday and watch the Sony E3 conference live or go Monday night?
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
The Bruce/Talia parallel was fine... but Marion's portrayal wasn't fantastic. Wish there was more time to devote to that whole thing.
It would have fit. They would have found a way to make it fit! It just felt wrong for there not to be a final conversation between Bruce and Alfred, despite the sighting in Florence later. I dunno why.
"You still haven't given up on me?"
"Nevah. Unless you're trying to kill yourself, in which case go for it cause you ain't gonna listen to me you prat."
I'm just saying...
It would have been cool as fuck.
"Sorry Bane, Master Wayne is too busy for your shit."
Shit, have Bruce be rescued by Alfred and have him fly away after Talia only to witness Selina firing the Batpod gunpods at Talia's truck or something and engaging in a chase.
Well, then they should atleast keep it consistent. If Bane was in love with the child he raised, then Alfred must have gotten quite hot and bothered all those times he had to undress bruce to treat his wounds.
They should have not shown the flashback in the beginning. Maybe add a small dialogue between them at the end where they share mutual respect and affection. That would have been enough. The point of the film was bruce letting go of his past. Alfred was out, Selina was in. They could have done a better job with it, but in the end, Alfred's part has ended.
Simo
Member
See the movie. You can just rewatch the conference and catch up after.
Related note...I didn't even know when E3 was this year.
Like a realistic scientific explanation? No but X-Ray vision has never looked as cool as it does in MOS.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Doctor Decimate
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NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Explaining Superman's physiology realistically is an exercise in futility. Good thing they don't bother trying.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
I wasn't always here, in Gotham... I once had a great love... my boomstick.
nhlducks35
Member
But The Last of Us
Being on neogaf liking something is masochistic itself.
Simo
Member
...comes out after E3 and his screening...?
MisterHero
Super Member
Comic spoilers
there was a "fake" version of Zod that had kryptonian powers under a red sun. IIRC Superman made the sun come back and Zod killed himself by crashing into him
It's somewhat hilarious that MoS Zod has armor based on this fake version
It's somewhat hilarious that MoS Zod has armor based on this fake version
look at the helmet
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
It's completely understandable, Kal. Completely understandable.