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Don't forget about the super kid.
My man. Educate the nonbelievers.
Anton Sugar
Member
Spacey is a great actor, I like him, but his Luthor was cringeworthy.
"You're not getting the big picture here"
Cringeworthy like I said.
evil solrac v3.0
Member
it's a cornerstone when he gets the Daily Planet job, not before it. what movie where you watching? this is to establish where he came from.
Jesus Christ ona stick, don't even mention that movie anymore....
well now you know how the fans feel when some gasbag comes in shitting on the movie...
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
I feel sick when I read people comparing Returns to MoS. Please stop. Returns was garbage.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I feel we didn't fully appreciate just how well done the creepy stalker aspect of Superdouche was.
A true marvel. Singer outdid himself there.
A true marvel. Singer outdid himself there.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Justice_dp
Member
Saw it today as the europen release was delayed and the tourists are currently all over the town and thus the original language versions of movies are nearly unbearable (bad weather + city with a repuation for zombie armies of tourists ... what to expect).
Firstly: Up until the moment Clark get's the Suit the movie is very good. Pacing, character moments, the isolation of Kal. The new twist on Krypton was nice and a good amalgam from Birthright and Earth One.
Secondly: Lois Lane was THE standout character of the movie. Same for the Kents and Jor-El. Those characters were more fleshed out than I thought they would be and provided a good background.
Thridly: Zod sucked. Both the script and the actor were doing their worst to make him a nuansance. I get that they tried to mix Earth One's villain and regular guy Zod, but 10 minutes less of fights and a better villain would have been good. And I don't get the love for Faora, she was a plain and boring as they come? An eye pleasing woman to societal standards non the less.
The plot would have needed a bit of a clean up, emotional storytelling is not the strongsuit of all the involved parties and it was too dark for me especially as I don't know why they pushed the theme of hope so much, when the movie is bleak and hopeless.
The final sequence between Kal and Zod with the following fallout was good. I get Snyder's idea behind it, but it seems not handled in any propriate way. You see how it hits Clark as he realized what he had to do, but such monumental acts need time and air to breath. 2 Minutes more fallout and less fighting would have done wonders again.
Otherwise it was not since Iron Man 1 that a comic book movie ended with such a great last sequence. Welcome to the planet indeed!
Firstly: Up until the moment Clark get's the Suit the movie is very good. Pacing, character moments, the isolation of Kal. The new twist on Krypton was nice and a good amalgam from Birthright and Earth One.
Secondly: Lois Lane was THE standout character of the movie. Same for the Kents and Jor-El. Those characters were more fleshed out than I thought they would be and provided a good background.
Thridly: Zod sucked. Both the script and the actor were doing their worst to make him a nuansance. I get that they tried to mix Earth One's villain and regular guy Zod, but 10 minutes less of fights and a better villain would have been good. And I don't get the love for Faora, she was a plain and boring as they come? An eye pleasing woman to societal standards non the less.
The plot would have needed a bit of a clean up, emotional storytelling is not the strongsuit of all the involved parties and it was too dark for me especially as I don't know why they pushed the theme of hope so much, when the movie is bleak and hopeless.
The final sequence between Kal and Zod with the following fallout was good. I get Snyder's idea behind it, but it seems not handled in any propriate way. You see how it hits Clark as he realized what he had to do, but such monumental acts need time and air to breath. 2 Minutes more fallout and less fighting would have done wonders again.
Otherwise it was not since Iron Man 1 that a comic book movie ended with such a great last sequence. Welcome to the planet indeed!
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Plus she's Amy Adams. This gives her extra points.
The only reason I love Amy Adams so much is because of the way she pulled off Giselle in Enchanted. At this point I'm fairly certain it isn't Amy Adams I have a crush on. I'm pretty sure it's Giselle.
DedalusJoyce
Member
Just saw it today.
2/10
This is the worst superhero movie I have EVER seen. Granted, I never saw many of them including the recent spat of marvel (thor, green latern, captain america) but still. I seriously think it was worse than Siper-Man 3 ffs.
Everything was wrong. characters, pacing, drama, action. Shitty motivation all around.
I saw Avengers on Sunday for the first time and I thought the destruction porn was overdone in that, but good gawd. In MoS it came to a point where it didn't even feel like a superhero movie at all. I know the existence of the entire human race was at stake here, but if Supes was so careless about the lives of so many people wouldn't it have made more sense to simply nuke the entire city along with their spaceship in outer space? Avengers at least had something right. Seemed like a bunch of asshole aliens out of a Michael Bay movie, and Superman instead of being a beacon for humanity and so on came through as a raging lunatic with little intelligence or empathy.
This is what happens when you let third rate directors who should stick to directing commercials helm a project like this.
Completely ruined Superman for me.
2/10
This is the worst superhero movie I have EVER seen. Granted, I never saw many of them including the recent spat of marvel (thor, green latern, captain america) but still. I seriously think it was worse than Siper-Man 3 ffs.
Everything was wrong. characters, pacing, drama, action. Shitty motivation all around.
I saw Avengers on Sunday for the first time and I thought the destruction porn was overdone in that, but good gawd. In MoS it came to a point where it didn't even feel like a superhero movie at all. I know the existence of the entire human race was at stake here, but if Supes was so careless about the lives of so many people wouldn't it have made more sense to simply nuke the entire city along with their spaceship in outer space? Avengers at least had something right. Seemed like a bunch of asshole aliens out of a Michael Bay movie, and Superman instead of being a beacon for humanity and so on came through as a raging lunatic with little intelligence or empathy.
This is what happens when you let third rate directors who should stick to directing commercials helm a project like this.
Completely ruined Superman for me.
Oh my...
Anton Sugar
Member
Well, he can't lead them into the light with all those dang buildings in the way, can he?
Liquidsnake
Banned
legacyzero
Banned
saw it.
Random thoughts.
-Script is incredible. Doesn't question itself, tells a straight story, keeps giving until the ending.-the action was worth of the best Japanese animation. Avengers was a better movie, Dark Knight was a better movie, but none of them delivered the un-physics of superpowers as spectacularly as this movie.I'd appreciated more comic banter during the last fight.
-Intro on Krypton was majestic. Costner must have wept salty tears when he realized the amount of screen-time and swag reserved for Crowe: he really is the Man of Steal.
-People didn't clap at the ending but everyone (EVERYONE) clapped and wooed and whistled when Cavill appeared shirt-less after the Oil Rig. I'll admit: I joined the party.
-I've officially graduated to perv-status because I couldn't stop thinking how hot Diane Lane was.
--I laughed at the 33 years old dialogue. People around looked at me WTF-style.-They nailed Lois Lane.I had another "Am I the only one who saw that?!" laugh when Supes and Lane kiss: the shot quickly shifted to Fishburne and I noticed he was wearing the EXACT SAME ear-ring as Lois. Freaky.-I wish the military would stop financing Hollywood movies. Videogames are already plagued beyond salvation with this 'Merica stuff: ENOUGH!The character was a worthless love interest with no depth, now she is an investigative journalist who's been around and gives shit to people. I approve.
-The pace of the narrative and the flashbacks placement was spotless.
-Wayans brothers are going to have a field day with this movie
-Slap to the face for the one who came up with the idea of goatee-Zod.
You said it, bruthah!
:lol, just some minor, simple issues...
He played a better Gene Hackman Lex than Hackman did.
That makes no sense lols.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
I don't see the point but even if I can understand what he says it still doesn't change the fact that Spacey did an horrible Luthor IMO.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
I have to disagree with that one. Spacey did a fine job with what he was given, in fact he was one of the best parts of the movie. However, he didn't have a lot to work with, the repeat of the whole real estate crap was a horrible idea.
Lois was really the only horrible member of the cast of Returns. And by horrible, I mean terrible to the point of pretty much ruining the movie single handidly.
AlphaDragoon
Member
To be fair, Giselle is awesomesauce. But yeah, Amy Adams in general = love.
He was trying too hard to have that Hackman charm and that is where I disagree with that post about he made a better Hackman than Hackman, Gene had this natural charm and ingenious to the character but Spacey didn't fully develop that at all, could be the script, could be whatever but seemed lost, Spacey I mean.
If Spacey instead of trying to be Hackman would have channeled Keyser Soze things would have been different, that would have been a badass Luthor.
Yeah, I completely agree here.
Spacey was a bit more haunting and properly motivated in why he'd hate Superman. Doherty & Harris should never have written the real estate angle again, but he did as much with it as he could. You got a feeling that Luthor was using humor to hide some genuinely hideous parts of himself during some conversations.
Hackman was awesome as Luthor - witty, genius who was in love with himself and came up with really evil schemes. His interactions with Reeve were awesome; they were greatly matched with one another. Many people whine about Hackman and wanted a scarier, more serious Luthor but Hackman was marvelous. I don't see the Spacey - Reeve interactions as great as the Hackman - Reeve intercations.. Donner films were classic, Lois, Superman, Luthor and Zod were played perfectly.
It was time for a change though
It was time for a change though
I liked it, too. Feels more in line with modern Superman.
Technosteve
Banned
I saw the movie over the weekend, I am conflicted with the film. On one hand i loved origin story but hated how it front loaded story which made the action seem like mindless CGI bullshit for the last thirty minutes.
In my mind they should of made this film in two parts, I love how they intercut adult Clark with child Clark through flashbacks. They could of built an entire film based on Clark growing up as a god in the midst of mortals. I wanted a transition from Clark holding back his power, to fit in with the earthlings to learning how to fight with all his power and learning how powerful he really is.
It would of made the action sequences more eventful, giving a more story driven reason for all the destruction.
In my mind they should of made this film in two parts, I love how they intercut adult Clark with child Clark through flashbacks. They could of built an entire film based on Clark growing up as a god in the midst of mortals. I wanted a transition from Clark holding back his power, to fit in with the earthlings to learning how to fight with all his power and learning how powerful he really is.
It would of made the action sequences more eventful, giving a more story driven reason for all the destruction.
Joel Was Right
Member
It'll be interesting to see whether some of the critics of Superman Returns will in time adopt a similar level of scrutiny towards Man of Steel.
Jables Swan
Member
Will be finally seeing it tomorrow night here in Aus. Look forward to seeing what all the fuss is about.
I don't see it either!
Hackman's Luthor was just a cartoon character; he would fit right in on the Adam West Batman series. Spacey's Luthor played that same role with fun without ever getting into full-on camp like Hackman's did.
That could be a result of the times more than anything else. But as is, I like Spacey's version more.
Spectral Glider
Member
I don't think I can even remember a line of Spacey's from Returns. He was like the rest of the film, completely forgettable. I think there was only one casting decision I liked about that movie, and it was Langella as Perry White.
Both Returns and MOS are bad, but for completely different reasons.
Both Returns and MOS are bad, but for completely different reasons.
SuperAndroid17
Member
This!
I'm ok with the movie but I thought it was a shame that Superman had nothing to do but punch and look congested.
I have a feeling both his dads were more real then the main protagonist.
It's tough to write Superman but I feel they just fled that pressure with throwing more and more other people at us instead of letting us see emotions and charm in adult Clark.
I have no clue why Louis would really like that guy. He is quiet, over critical and overall a bummer. Same issues Brandon Ruth had to fight with. Bummer man flying into buildings, killing pedestrians!
Discotheque
Banned
Yeah I think spacey reminded me a lot of animated lex
He was humorous and yet cold to the point where you believed he didn't give a shit about anybody
I thought Louis was in love with Ralph? That skank!
Still need to see it another time. Ended up seeing WWZ instead (which I'm not upset about).
I hear that movie is better in 2D, is that true?
Discotheque
Banned
If you see it a second time do you notice that aquaman saved Clark with the whales and you see Martian manhunter chilling on mars and shit?
Thunder Monkey
Banned
The movie is basically a self contained well written Smallville. Less about Superman, more about the man becoming Superman.
Freaking insane visuals going on there. I didn't mind the camera work, but it felt a little... shakey.
Too shakey.
I love Cavill as Clarkerman, and they took one of the best things from Smallville that improves the Lois/Clark dynamic tenfold in her knowing him before he's Superman. It makes the entire thing actually believable.
No seriously... she's supposed to look at the dude every single day and not make the connection?
It's infinitely better than Superman Returns. But no stalker Superman is present.
Also Adams was a great Lois. I can picture her in my Lois fantasies. In fact I'm doing that now.
I give it a 3/10 because that's the highest I scored in Chemistry.
Freaking insane visuals going on there. I didn't mind the camera work, but it felt a little... shakey.
Too shakey.
I love Cavill as Clarkerman, and they took one of the best things from Smallville that improves the Lois/Clark dynamic tenfold in her knowing him before he's Superman. It makes the entire thing actually believable.
No seriously... she's supposed to look at the dude every single day and not make the connection?
It's infinitely better than Superman Returns. But no stalker Superman is present.
Also Adams was a great Lois. I can picture her in my Lois fantasies. In fact I'm doing that now.
I give it a 3/10 because that's the highest I scored in Chemistry.
I still can't believe someone tried for that connection. Next you'll tell me there's some Batman connection in the film somewhere...
Better score than most Gaffas are giving it.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Anton Sugar
Member
Same, even though I've mostly been criticizing it and love-trolling Superman GAF
,,,which one?
Hey in the comics are Superman and Martian Manhunter best friends since they share the same fucking origin? "Last" survivors of doomed planets who escape to earth, can fly, super strength, pew pew vision. Though MM has telepathy, phasing, shape shifting to add to his repertoire because being overpowered is cool and interesting subject matter for stories.