I didn't realize Vudu got in bed with Ultraviolet. That makes it somewhat useful now.
Why would anyone come at you? Everyone by now has noticed your obsession with Donner's world /Singer. It's not shocking you would type that up. It's pointless to come at you.
Defending others regardless of the personal cost.
There's the ideal you claim doesn't exist.
He does it as a kid, against his father's wishes. He does it as an adult. And once he finds inspiration and necessity, he decides he can do it publicly.
It obviously made a lot of money but not when compared with something like the avengers. That's not to say that every movie should target the same audience.
If that were true he wouldn't have let his father die right in front of him.
Well it's mostly perceived personal cost and a bit of bullying. Nothing terrible consequential. I am not sure Kal finds much inspiration for "coming out" .... mostly he is forced into it by an outside threat.
If that were true he wouldn't have let his father die right in front of him.
That's one of the downfalls of taking the direction they have with batman and now superman. You basically lose out on the younger market which can hurt you at the box office.
I remember around the launch of TDKR on the radio they even had a specific segment asking if you would take your kids to see it. Most said they wouldn't but they all would for the avengers.
Again, these don't boil down to a catch phrase, but they're the bedrock of the movie. It's disappointing to me that people don't get this since it isn't spelled out and spoken through a mouthpiece character so the audience doesn't have to think at all. The themes in this movie are more complex than 95% of superhero movies, but that equates to "mess" by people who checked their brain at the door. And then they complain that the film is "all action."
It doesn't seem to be stopping these movies at Box Office though. I've seen plenty of kids going to see MoS. Marvel's only big movies are The Avengers and Ironman 3. I think IM3 is bigger than Rises but smaller than TDK and Avengers towers over everyone. Man of Steel is bigger than Ironman, Ironman 2, Thor, Captain America and the Incredible Hulk. And it still isn't finished its run.
Well said. This is a good explanation of the film's shitty RT %, while it's actually quite good.
Again, these don't boil down to a catch phrase, but they're the bedrock of the movie. It's disappointing to me that people don't get this since it isn't spelled out and spoken through a mouthpiece character so the audience doesn't have to think at all. The themes in this movie are more complex than 95% of superhero movies, but that equates to "mess" by people who checked their brain at the door. And then they complain that the film is "all action."
So now the complaint isn't that it doesn't have heroism or an ideal is instead that it isn't complex enough? Ok, proceed!
Actually forgot to add it's bigger than Batman Begins too. So yeah total bomba.Bomba!
I took my son to see Man of Steel. He's 8. I wouldn't have, btu he saw Avengers (at day camp last year) without my prior knowledge, and he was OK with that, so I didn't see any reason for him not to see this.
He enjoyed it a lot.
There's nothing contradictory about the criticism. Now you are just not arguing in good faith. You can have all these things. You can have a character the embodies a clear sense of morality, displays heroism, AND explore how this character's existence impacts the world around him. You know, kind of like a movie called The Dark Knight.
I would get beat up if I wore those leather jackets.
The only issue I had with Returns suit was the small chest S-shield. Loved the colors.
MoS's suit was cool too. Very elegant. I loved the long cape
You had an issue with the small shield, but not with the Returns cape? Routh has a fruit roll up on his back.
I prefer MoS's longer cape, but I didnt have a problem with the shorter Returns one.
Didnt even think about it back then.
You guys are still talking about this movie?
I'd say 90% of it is the haters. Most people, including myself who love or liked it have stopped posting.
I'd say 90% of it is the haters. Most people, including myself who love or liked it have stopped posting.
You guys are still talking about this movie?
It's impressive how Returns took the colorful, dynamic cover of Action Comics #1 and sucked all of the life out of it.
In the comic itself, Superman was swinging the shit out of the car to shake out the occupants. what a dickIt's impressive how Returns took the colorful, dynamic cover of Action Comics #1 and sucked all of the life out of it.
Calling SR drab in a MoS thread is quite ballsy
Again, these don't boil down to a catch phrase, but they're the bedrock of the movie. It's disappointing to me that people don't get this since it isn't spelled out and spoken through a mouthpiece character so the audience doesn't have to think at all. The themes in this movie are more complex than 95% of superhero movies, but that equates to "mess" by people who checked their brain at the door. And then they complain that the film is "all action."
Is that kind of like how Zack Snyder thought it was a good idea that Superman had to kill someone to learn that he doesn't want to kill anyone? I'm pretty sure I don't need to kill someone to know that I don't ever want to kill anyone. That was IDIOTIC. Should have listened to Nolan and sent Zod back to the Phantom Zone. In fact, I wish Nolan directed this movie.
Obviously it's no shit that you don't kill people in real lifeIs that kind of like how Zack Snyder thought it was a good idea that Superman had to kill someone to learn that he doesn't want to kill anyone? I'm pretty sure I don't need to kill someone to know that I don't ever want to kill anyone. That was IDIOTIC. Should have listened to Nolan and sent Zod back to the Phantom Zone. In fact, I wish Nolan directed this movie.
I think the most badass shot of the cape in MoSYou had an issue with the small shield, but not with the Returns cape? Routh has a fruit roll up on his back.
Why aren't you?
I'd say 90% of it is the haters. Most people, including myself who love or liked it have stopped posting.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that the destruction during the Metropolis fight - and the continued presence of civilians, who had to be CGIed in to sequences so they’re certainly not there accidentally - comes from Christopher Nolan, who wrote the story with David Goyer. The huge scale of devastation and the sense that the hero is just as much of a menace to the city as the villain are hallmarks of Nolan’s Batman films. But where that sort of cynical mistrust of the hero fit in The Dark Knight, it’s stunningly out of place in a Superman movie. It also demands that the script rob Superman of his best qualities, as well as take away one of his greatest vulnerabilities.
In superhero comics the heroes often do not go as hard as the villains. They can’t, because they don’t want to hurt innocents. Villains have historically understood this, and so they use innocents as shields or distractions. This is an old trope, but an effective one. It starkly illustrates the difference between the good and the bad guy and it allows the good guy’s idealism to be expressed through action. Many comic book battles end with the hero allowing the baddie to go free so he can rescue a civilian in grave danger.
In fact it’s the dilemma - rescuing innocents versus stopping the baddie - that is the final moral choice Superman makes in Man of Steel. It’s a great moment, a truly hard decision that clearly impacts him immensely. Unfortunately it’s a hollow decision because Superman just saved four people after letting hundreds of thousands die.
It would have been as easy as having Superman save ONE baby in a stroller to show his concern. That’s all that was needed. Hell, instead of having Perry White standing around the rubble have him aiding in the evacuation of the city so that we can understand the city has been evacuated. The movie instead goes out of its way to have Superman speed at Zod alongside a (likely populated) building and punch him so hard the sonic wave collapses that building. It’s an awesome moment, a stupendous illustration of the power of these two, but it’s also so absolutely tone-deaf in terms of how Superman should be handling this fight.
Some people online have been wondering why the ending of The Avengers didn’t result in the same complaints. There are a couple of reasons, the biggest one being that the destruction in The Avengers is tiny compared to that in Man of Steel. The entire battle in The Avengers is kept in a few city blocks. In Man of Steel Superman punches Zod away from the destroyed section of the city to go fight him in populated areas.
What’s more, the best parts of the final fight in The Avengers deal with saving civilians. Captain America creates a battle plan intended to contain the chaos, and then he has a great, wonderful moment where he convinces jaded New York City cops to help evacuate people. Then he rescues civilians from the Chitauri. And then Iron Man, not as much of a protector hero as Superman, sacrifices (he thinks) his life to save New York City from being nuked. Finally, the film has a sequence where the aftermath of the battle - including a wall of pictures of the missing civilians - is revealed.
The two fights aren’t comparable because The Avengers did it right.