Lex is a villain who is built up in movie two. Brainiac as the main villain of the movie who turns the humans against Superman.
Then movie three has Lex as the main villain with Doomsday involved.
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Then movie three has Lex as the main villain with Doomsday involved.
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Just throwing stuff out there.
MisterHero
Super Member
The "Michael Bay and/or destruction porn" descriptions have been building up over several movies. The world
is in danger from a massive energy beam, or shooting something at its core, perpetrated by a villain that followed the hero to Earth.
On its own, Man of Steel would have earned the same criticism. However, isn't it concievable that people are even more tired of it because of very similar things that happened in other movies?
I'm not trying to defend it; nor do I feel the need to. I agree with most reviews, including yours.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
There probably is some truth to this. I know some of my criticism takes the form of "man they're still doing that 'we're going to pay lipservice to having themes while not actually being about anything' thing that bugged me about the Batman movies?"
Maninthemirror
Banned
That applies to the whole origin and existence of superman as a comic book hero.
The issue with MoS isn't "destruction porn", its "destruction porn" being almost the entirety of half the movie.
Maninthemirror
Banned
Which was awesome! He is Superman!
Liquidsnake
Banned
In 4 hours I will join u in the sun.
Messypandas
Member
Watching Superman vs the Elite really makes me want the film do go in that direction. Have the villain round up a bunch of suicide bombers or dictators in a street and ask whether he should kill them.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
When destruction porn is this good I'd wank to that shit all day long.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
Was it at least more tolerable than the second half of The Avengers? Which film's action scenes would you rewatch if given the choice of just one?
MisterHero
Super Member
Absolutely. On a very cynical level, I think better production values made it better than previous movies though.
Krypton, Zod and Faora mattered too, and that made the fights much more enjoyable.
No, and The Avengers, personally. MoS' action is shot better, but its just action. Avengers infuses some character moments and comedy into it rather than just being bad dudes smashing other bad dudes around.
At the end of The Avengers' big action setpiece, I was smiling. At the end of MoS', I was just glad it was over.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
The action is, IMO, better then the Avengers, but there's also quite a bit more of it. MoS's big action-heavy back half feels longer then the corrosponding section of The Avengers, but that's just a vague recollection, I don't know the numbers. So its more fun to watch at first but I can see how it gets tiresome towards the end.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
Hmm reminds me of how I felt at the end of STID. Well guess I'll find out soon enough on the 21st.
Maninthemirror
Banned
It would be hilariously bad to have humor in a fight whose origin story is more serious. It would also be hilarously awful to have humor as people are dying. The character moment of the whole fight was
the alien who was adopted by humans killing his own kind and stopping them from destroying earth. It was the fight to show humanity that he is their protector even tho he is not human
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
just came back from the theater. LOVED Man of Steel! Henry Cavill was pitch-perfect casting, this is by far the best Superman movie for me and my fave film of 2013 so far. I'm a Marvel fan but Iron Man 3 was extremely disappointing especially following my fave movie of 2012 The Avengers. And Star Trek was good but not as amazing as the first one. Django was ok, but MoS was the first time I've left the theater this year fully satisfied with no disappointment.
Man, SOOO thought they were gonna get all the way through without actually calling him Superman, really hoped they were just gonna leave it at Lois getting cut off but not a huge gripe.
Liked the little touches; the Smallville water tower and the Lexcorp gas tanker.
A bit dissapointed there was no "Kneel before Zod" scene but that can also be forgiven.
Is there a name for that camera mode where it's zoomed out and then they zoom in, kinda looks pseudo hand-cam? Like there'd be something happening in the sky and the shaky camera would zoom in on it? Was cool at first but the effect got a bit overused.
All in all though, really enjoyed this movie, definitely the Superman movie for me. There are no plans for a sequel right? This definitely works best as its own standalone for me.
Liked the little touches; the Smallville water tower and the Lexcorp gas tanker.
A bit dissapointed there was no "Kneel before Zod" scene but that can also be forgiven.
Is there a name for that camera mode where it's zoomed out and then they zoom in, kinda looks pseudo hand-cam? Like there'd be something happening in the sky and the shaky camera would zoom in on it? Was cool at first but the effect got a bit overused.
All in all though, really enjoyed this movie, definitely the Superman movie for me. There are no plans for a sequel right? This definitely works best as its own standalone for me.
MisterHero
Super Member
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Personally I'd like to see Superman throw a giant S and play a game of hide and seek in my fight scene with Zod and crew. I need me some comedy.
I'm not saying that MoS should have injected humor into its setpiece. It was there in Avengers and worked wonderfully, but the tone of that film was such that it allowed it. No, I'm saying that MoS should have injected something, anything with some sort of humanity or emotional resonance to balance out the minutes and minutes (and minutes) of watching CG characters punch eachother around. They tried this with
Fishburne and the two Daily Planet workers
greendomo's ghost
Member
You can have depth without having humor, there was room for some nuance. If everything is dialed up to 11 the whole time, after a while it just becomes white noise.
And I felt that it was just as 'hilariously awful' when
Supes and Lois kissed, amidst the destruction of Metropolis and after the death of many of it's citizens.
googleplex
Member
I just got back from seeing this. I'm so glad I didn't listen to the early Internet reviews. The Man of Steel was great. Outside of the comic "Secret Identity" this was my favorite depiction of Super Man.
The best Superman stories always concentrate more on the "Man" then the "Super" part of the character. Man of Steel did just that.
The best Superman stories always concentrate more on the "Man" then the "Super" part of the character. Man of Steel did just that.
I think the biggest difference between Avengers and Man of Steel is the level of confidence in executing the type of material each wanted. This has a larger impact on audience acceptance than some people realize.
Avengers is unashamed to be a pure popcorn flick. It doesn't take itself too seriously, and there's a charm in every moment. It's shallow, and there isn't really much meat to it in the end, but it's a fun ride and it knows it.
Man of Steel on the other hand is trying to hard to be taken seriously, and to be a serious work. You can see it in every moment that everyone including the camera is straining so hard to feel meaningful and to try and make the people watching it take a serious view of the material. But it lacks the actual confidence in pulling it off. So when it wavers in the action sequences, it feels odd and out of place. Like suddenly, it's trying to be a little less serious and a little bit more wild, but it hasn't earned it, and it never really enjoys being that. There's this serious tone holding it back and everything feels like it's stuck in no man's land.
It's certainly a very strange movie in tone. The only stranger blockbuster I've seen tonally in the last few years would be Transformers 3.
Avengers is unashamed to be a pure popcorn flick. It doesn't take itself too seriously, and there's a charm in every moment. It's shallow, and there isn't really much meat to it in the end, but it's a fun ride and it knows it.
Man of Steel on the other hand is trying to hard to be taken seriously, and to be a serious work. You can see it in every moment that everyone including the camera is straining so hard to feel meaningful and to try and make the people watching it take a serious view of the material. But it lacks the actual confidence in pulling it off. So when it wavers in the action sequences, it feels odd and out of place. Like suddenly, it's trying to be a little less serious and a little bit more wild, but it hasn't earned it, and it never really enjoys being that. There's this serious tone holding it back and everything feels like it's stuck in no man's land.
It's certainly a very strange movie in tone. The only stranger blockbuster I've seen tonally in the last few years would be Transformers 3.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Man of Tomorrow = Lex Luthor, main villain
Last Son of Krypton = Brainiac, main villain
I bet you this is how it plays out.
Last Son of Krypton = Brainiac, main villain
I bet you this is how it plays out.
Maninthemirror
Banned
i think it was pretty simple that movie focuses on kal el as an alien and he was fullfilling his adoptive fathers wish to do something greater for humanity and he was sent for a reason and that the world was only ready for superman when it really needed it. At least for me the whole fight scene struck an emotional cord with me as i was reminded of what his father told him about him.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Sounds good.
I really wish this film was MoS 2 and the first movie spent more time in the origin story. That way they could have done all the action fanwankery without cutting into crucial backstory and fleshing out Clark as a character. They could go balls deep into the action in the sequel without having to worry about setting up Clark as a human.
captainnapalm
Member
He'll protect Earth many times over in the future. First contact seems like it was a bumpy ride, but at least now Earth has Superman to protect them as they are introduced to the wider universe and other extraterrestrial threats.
I do think people have a point when they talk about all the destruction in Man of Steel, and particularly the idea that Superman doesn't do enough to protect innocents during his battles. Mark Waid, a comics writer I respect, has written a piece about this. I'm willing to give the film the benefit of the doubt, though, that this is a young Superman still learning the ropes and caught off guard and finding himself in the fight of his life, and that he'll become more of a protector as time goes on. The next film should probably take some time to seriously deal with the fallout of what happened.
Comments like this bug the hell out of me. Worst movie ever????
Give me a freaking break. See more movies.
Maninthemirror
Banned
I bet goyer is listening to the save humans criticism for sequel.
MisterHero
Super Member
I disagree that MoS was hurt for trying to be serious. IMO seriousness was the only way to present an entire world through science fiction. Avengers sci-fi breaks down when it tries to laugh it off.
One moment really did annoy me though
Clark's face sharing the screen with Jesus for ~2 minutes straight
The issue will be with Snyder and whether he just goes over the top again.
greendomo's ghost
Member
Oh gosh I forgot about that. That was so ridiculous.
Maninthemirror
Banned
Screenplay also deals with moments like that other than action scenes
kittenbreath
Member
Snyder is nothing if not subtle.
On an related cool note, it turns out the kid who played 8 year-old Supes is actually from my hometown and I happened to end up at the same screening as him. He had a big group of family and friends there to cheer everytime he appeared on screen. Somewhat mixed feelings on the film (though I enjoyed it) but it was cool to see him bask in the limelight a little bit.
Pop
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kaiju
Member
The snickering we had was during the part where
supes is underwater passed out or meditating or some shit, with whales passing over him lol.
But I still had a great time watching this movie. Maybe I have low standards or something but I really thought it was an awesome and well done effort by Snyder. I have really high hopes for the sequel, which I hear WB is fast-tracking like hell.
If Superman slams through ten buildings, someone died somewhere. Now Goyer might try to write in more bullshit mini-rescue sequences such as when Kal rescued that falling military guy on the helicopter but Snyder could easily undo any good will those sequences generate.
Dave_6
Member
I concur.
greendomo's ghost
Member
The most "Superman" moment to me was the oil rig sequence, not any of the fighting. Make of that what you will.
That's what it looked like to me as well. By the time Superman came to Metropolis the city seemed mostly deserted or at least the buildings were. The most casualties probably happened during the terraforming sequence.I thought the setpiece where Superman is going through buildings at the end was mostly destroyed and abandoned, at least that's what it looked like to me. The whole stuff there seemed like an excuse to allow Superman to have that kind of nerdwank fight.
The most Superman moment was when he first learns to fly. The expressions, the shots, the music, the feel.... perfection.
Dabookerman
Member
Yup. Gotta say, I fucking loved the action scenes. I was jizzing my pants.
I thought that film was awesome. There are some holes, my main one being Lois mode of travel.. And an awful line Superman says towards the end which reminded me of TDKR. But otherwise.. Awesome!
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
You know what? That's the one criticism I actually agree with. That was the only part of the movie I genuinely disliked. I actually really liked the chemistry between Lois and Clark and loved Amy Adams in this movie. But when
they kissed it just felt so forced. The Lois and Clark romantic aspect has always been one of the biggest drawbacks to Superman movies for me anyway. Fucking hated that lois and clark flying scene in the original film. So corny. Plus Kidder sucks. Kidder almost ruined those movies for me. Anyway I honestly don't feel like the Lois and Clark relationship would have been any worse off if they hadn't tacked on the kiss.