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Cage of Eden
If 7 Seeds was a really shitty shonen instead of the best josei, it'd be Cage of Eden.
If 7 Seeds was a really shitty shonen instead of the best josei, it'd be Cage of Eden.
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FlutterPuffs
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Yep. Although to be fair Cage of Eden is much more like a very shitty remake of Drifting Classroom.
Oh and everyone should read it because it's from Kazuo Umezu, who also made Fourteen.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Not a fan due to the author's EVERYONE ALWAYS USE THE SAME SURPRISED EXPRESSION approach to his characters, hahaha.
I think everyone is being too hard on Cage of Eden here. I think it's passable and entertaining enough. Too bad it's cancelled early though; it's clear the author wanted to do much more stuff with it.
FlutterPuffs
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Cage of Eden's first few chapters were definitely promising, considering it seemed to kill characters like no tomorrow.
And then, like Heroes it seems like it likes its characters too much. You kinda can know which character won't die and those who would will have massive death flags above them.
Not to mention the fan service. It just destroys the tension and suspense that's needed in those kind of stories.
So does that mean cage of eden is shitty because it's not buttfuck insane?
I would take buttfuck insane than what was in Cage of Eden.
Not surprising that his two best works are Hotel and a story from that collection, It was all for the tuna.
Neoriceisgood
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I have awoken.
Neoriceisgood
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That's quite a accurate depiction of me waking up, Haly.
Haha, I read this volume yesterday and still don't know what the hell happened.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Man, cars in that picture is the perfect example of why I can't take early Jojo seriously. That anatomy makes no sense even in the JJBA sense.
At least Wham and ACDC is consistent in that picture.
Still think it's fabulous though.
Tizoc
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Heh decided to look that up on the JoJo wikia and this explains it:
Digestive Mist: Whitesnake can also produce an illusory mist that slowly digests objects like stomach acid. The mist can also enable it to impersonate other people for a limited amount of time with illusions. Its victims, while dissolved, are kept distracted in an delusional dream-state.
Neoriceisgood
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Serious question time: I know Jojo's ... weird, there's no way it isn't. But how is the plot/depth? On a shonen scale of depth where we put FT at 1 and HxH at 9, where would you guys put Jojo?
(add the big 3 on that scale while you're at it, so I know if I should take your opinion seriously <3)
(add the big 3 on that scale while you're at it, so I know if I should take your opinion seriously <3)
FlutterPuffs
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As much depth as Dragonball.
But as fantastic as watching a rainbow exploding into a thousand glittering stars as the manliest men you can find flexes their amazingly toned yet surprisingly limber muscles in the most flamboyant of ways.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
It has the same depth as fist of the north star.
Only replace manly tears with fabulous poses.
Only replace manly tears with fabulous poses.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Can't stand Jojo's artwork.
No matter how... fabulous... it is.
No matter how... fabulous... it is.
3 first volume scans of SO barely readable.
Its barely have any plot, and even that barely consistent. You read it for the fight and craziness.
I do think backstory for character are magnificent, the last two part have good story tho, especially the one that ongoing so far.
Neoriceisgood
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Well this explains why I've never heard a single person discuss Jojo's plot at all, ever.
Actually, I read the "real" volume, not scans and still, you can't tell what's going on half the time.
Do you mean just the drama aspect of it? I'd say it has less of that than OP and HxH, and its quality is really subjective. Some can't take it seriously because of the weirdness. But if you can, then it's pretty hardcore. My friend had teary eyes at a certain point.
Admittedly not a lot of people can take it seriously enough to get to that point, but it's definitely there. Maybe 5-7
You new to JoJo right? why jump straight to SO?
Stand use in JoJo keep getting complicated, especially at Stone Ocean.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
It's still a fun read though. You should at least read up to part 2.
Part 3 is where they really change it up.
Tizoc
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The previous posts explain it, don't go in for the plot go in for the fabulousness and bizzare stuff that happen. Araki's art evolves and gets better over time, but his highlights IMO are Part 3 and Part 7.
HnK has as much depth as FT IMO =P
Nah if compared to Dragonball...JoJo is +3
It's cuz you're too used to all that moe shit man.
Lily's route is so fluffy and nice and good and really good. And it has the best secondary characters.
Do Rin's route last!
Crash Station
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JoJo is probably somewhere between a 3 and a 4. Araki does have some interesting ideas, but more often than not... he forgets them, leading to plot holes and/or unexplained things.
The reason to read JoJo is the badass characters, super creative abilities, well-planned out strategic battles, and poses. The art may also count depending on who you ask.
Well, part of it because its divided by part though, there is nothing to talk again except the detail.
The part that currently ongoing right now are very plot-heavy, I do seen some of the discussion here.
The stands are not that complicated to understand imo, it's just that Araki's art is confusing as hell.
That also count, but still shit like Bohemian Rhapsody and Green Baby can make you having headache.
Tizoc
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? Did the author take a break? Last I read was Vol. 4, and IIRC the series is released one chapter every 1-2 months.
Antiwhippy
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Vol 4 was the last translated volume. In japan it's now up to vol. 5.
Neoriceisgood
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I might have to give it a look for the abilities and strategies then, maybe.
Is Jojo the series where some characters are flat out god-like? I don't quite remember.
I've seen people discuss part 2 v.s. part 3 and stuff like that I guess, I just figured it's kinda like the pre-post timeskip discussions for Naruto or OP.
Laughing Banana
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Slam Dunk/Vagabond is great. Blade of the Immortal is great. Jojo is just... I don't know... weird. The funny thing is, I think you're not that far off; I can tolerate moe "shit" more than I can tolerate Jojo's art.
Hell, I can stand it less than I can stand Shoujo style and that is saying something, hahaha.
Don't know how to explain it. It's just one of those things that feel... wrong.
Everyone and their grandmothers say this, now it makes me curious.
Antiwhippy
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To be fair, the art does change a lot through out the series. I mean, Part 1 Jojo's art was objectively shit, but by part 2 you can see some improvements.
Edit: see, that shit up there is pretty damn awesome.
Author was ill and took a break months ago but I don't remember when that was, it feels like a very long time though, like half a year or more. The last chapter published was 21.
Laughing Banana
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I should give it a chance one of these days I guess.
I mean, you're not going to survive that long unless you are doing some stuff correctly.
If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say Araki had just seen the Field Trip episode of The X-Files...
Tizoc
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I am aware of that, I was asking if the author had taken a break from writing the manga (sort of like what Miura keeps doing >_>)
Heh the only art I have issues with is Go Nagai's, dude's art has NOT aged well, yet Devilman remains his best work to date IMO.
Tezuka on the other hand I can handle just fine lol.
Ah its prob. cuz all the fabulousness and male characters make you feel all tingly in your naughty bits, it's OK man, take it in: ACCEPT IT!
I'm just messin' with ya bro ;P
Woah hope they get better.
Part 2 maybe, part 1 tho? Last fight between Dio and Jojo just around 2 meter between them, Araki still very unpolished.
Crash Station
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There are some damn powerful characters, but I think there's only one that can be considered "god-like". Fights are very much conditional-based rather than power level based, so you won't really see many super broken characters.
Edit: I should mention that most of what I described in this and the other post doesn't really start until Part 3 when the means of fighting completely changes. Parts 1 and 2 have their fair share of asspulls and power-based fights, but they're good all the same.
Neoriceisgood
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What's the difference between the 3 parts btw?
Is it mandatory to read them in order to make sense of Jojo?
Part 3 too.
Yup, especially first 3 part that shaped like trilogy.
Antiwhippy
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The asspulls are what make part 2 fun though.
Neoriceisgood
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Considering what I've seen of Jojo, I can't help but feel these are literal asspulls.
Dedication Through Light
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One should probably skip part one, as its just plain boring, kind of dull, and riddled too much with characters saying their each and every move and thought too much. Extremely limited focus on the things that make manga good like litrally no well designed characters as everyone is disgustingly bulky, too little bonds and friendship, and just a plot that is in no way all that interesting or worth caring about. The action and fights were pretty not good and skippable. I think its pretty overhyped.
New characters in part 2 fix this, and are way cool and friendly but are still bulky, but plot is still pretty weak and kind of too basic and maybe nonsensical
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