I knew I was forgetting something.
Silver Spoon:
You guys do know Silver Spoon is a "slice of life" manga about farming? There's nothing to "wait for" with this series vs Full Metal Alchemist where there was a "big bad" to defeat. There are continuing story lines/plot elements but you could pick up the manga in chapter 30 or chapter 2 and you wouldn't really be lost. And because of that there's no real indication as to when a series like this would actually end. This type of manga could go on for ever if the author wanted or end any time the author wants.
ReBirth The Lunatic Taker 24
Trainwreck status: Achieved
Also, as much as I usually hate the thought train that most people find themselves on regarding characters like this, someone needs to kill the fuck outta Reiji, he's exceptionally bitch. :lol
Hi guys, I don't know if this is the most recent manga thread but gunbo13 asked me to tell you guys that he will be back next thursday, he just has some IRL shit to sort out.
Lol, why are you so hurt?
There's a difference to leaving something deliberately vague and alluding to hidden depth, and just tacking on extra meaning to a throwaway Macguffin/statement.
Tell him Stat Flow said "Fuck you gunbo"Hi guys, I don't know if this is the most recent manga thread but gunbo13 asked me to tell you guys that he will be back next thursday, he just has some IRL shit to sort out.
There is a difference between introducing story elements and retcons.OK. So Oda mentioning a rival for Vegapunk now without ever mentioning him before or alluding to him is a retcon. That´s a great point.
Hi guys, I don't know if this is the most recent manga thread but gunbo13 asked me to tell you guys that he will be back next thursday, he just has some IRL shit to sort out.
Akira is straight up one of the best manga ever made. Though there are some crazies who prefer the movie, the manga is definitely a masterpiece of it's own.Speaking of old-school manga I've never read Akira before. Is it good?
While I agree with what you're saying, I'm not so sure Mayuri having had suspected that there were some Quincy survivors is a retcon. It is actually common sense. I never actually thought that Ishida was the very last quincy alive (not counting his dad). The way his dad was speaking all cryptically (beating around the bush) during their conversation and shit...was enough evidence for that.There is a difference between introducing story elements and retcons.
A retcon is when...
Mayuri knowing that Quincies were still alive
Introducing a story element is when...
Revealing who fought Soul Society back during the Quincy slaughter.
Notice how people are perfectly fine with the entire existence of Buckbeard, and not fine with everything else?
Hi guys, I don't know if this is the most recent manga thread but gunbo13 asked me to tell you guys that he will be back next thursday, he just has some IRL shit to sort out.
There is a difference between introducing story elements and retcons.
A retcon is when...
Mayuri knowing that Quincies were still alive
Introducing a story element is when...
Revealing who fought Soul Society back during the Quincy slaughter.
Notice how people are perfectly fine with the entire existence of Buckbeard, and not fine with everything else?
Mayuri did know the quincies are alive. Mayuri has a thousands of years info at his disposal he can research.
Introducing an rival to one of the most important character is nothing short of shoehorning a new plot element (retcon) without any elaboration or explanation or anything to allude about the existence and this very important rival to a a influential character in the manga. But the same happened with Sabo. And don´t even try to say that the Ace´s tattoo is a foreshadowing to anything.
That's not what retcon means
a retcon is if I wake up tomorrow and it turns out I got laid today
Yes it is when said character has been so influential that he has never been mentioned before. Vegapunk having a rival is a retcon by itself.
I guess that's why he was surprised that Ishida was a Quincy cause he thought they were all dead...derp.Mayuri did know the quincies are alive. Mayuri has a thousands of years info at his disposal he can research. Besides Ishida´s grandfather implied that there were other quincies left because of his fear of a new war.
Introducing an rival to one of the most important character is nothing short of shoehorning a new plot element without any elaboration or explanation or anything to allude about the existence and this very important rival to a a influential character in the manga. But the same happened with Sabo. And don´t even try to say that the Ace´s tattoo is a foreshadowing to anything.
First you don't know what foreshadowing is, now you don't know what a retcon is. Man, this is just ridiculous.
Edit: Darn you in-between posters, my post is obviously meant at the one guy who keeps trying and failing, a few posts up.
I'll give you that much. While I'm sure oda has the main structure of the story, he probably does throw in new stuff, maybe an extra island, or adding a planned plot point to a newly thought-up-of-island. But it's still alluding to Vegapunk, which is foreshadowing. Caesar's small-time anyway. With Bleach, we're talking about a huge chunk of this last arc. It's a bigger deal here.Yes it is when said character has been so influential that he has never been mentioned before. Vegapunk having a rival is a retcon by itself.
It's 6:50 AM here in the morning, usually at this time both Americans and EU people are asleep. To expect a post in between is ridiculous. Ri-di-cu-lous, I say!There is a quote feature you know...
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Show me where in the manga it was stated that Vegapunk does not have a rival and then it will become a retcon. Otherwise it's not one no matter how disappointed you are with Caesar Clown's reveal.
Oh look, a guy who does does not know what he´s talking about entering the thread.First you don't know what foreshadowing is, now you don't know what a retcon is. Man, this is just ridiculous.
Edit: Darn you in-between posters, my post is obviously meant at the one guy who keeps trying and failing, a few posts up.
Edit2: I just noticed how the hilarious attempt to change the subject (from Bleach bashing to One Piece bashing) has failed so hard it went back to Bleach bashing.
It was hinted at by Soken. How many times do i have to say the same thing. The quincy thing was at the beginning of Bleach.I'll give you that much. While I'm sure oda has the main structure of the story, he probably does throw in new stuff, maybe an extra island, or adding a planned plot point to a newly thought-up-of-island. But it's still alluding to Vegapunk, which is foreshadowing. Caesar's small-time anyway. With Bleach, we're talking about a huge chunk of this last arc. It's a bigger deal here.
I think the whole quincy thing was made up during the fullbring arc, especially Yamamoto's connection to Buckbeard. But what it is, is an add-on to the Royal Guard/SK plot, which has been clearly hinted at.
Or, I can be like you, and play a techinical and say: Vegapunk's a scientist, it isn't completely unheard of to have rival scientists, which is a tv trope anyway.
Actually, what he says is not that he thought they were all dead. He says "I haven't seen one of your kind in a long time" and that the Quincy are a "rare breed"...I guess that's why he was surprised that Ishida was a Quincy cause he thought they were all dead...derp.
This is based on an assumption from one sentence from Mayuri at the end of the latest chapter. We don't know what Mayuri "should" or "shouldn't" know based on what will be revealed about Buckbeard and Yamamoto in the upcoming chapters. There's plenty of ways this can be written that it makes sense and connects with what we were shown back in the Soul Society arc.Bleach has always made it clear that Ishida and his father were the last of the Quincy, and everything thought they were, including Mayuri. A secret rogue sect of Quincies would've made perfect sense, but these guys aren't so secret to characters that shouldn't have known about them.
Reading comprehension FTW. Mayuri thought all the quincies were dead until he saw Ishida and investigated the matter.I guess that's why he was surprised that Ishida was a Quincy cause he thought they were all dead...derp.
And no, introducing a new story element is never a retcon. No one has problem with new story elements, unless the story elements are so unbelievably uneventful and stupid as the shit you see in Naruto.
A retcon is when you take previously established material and change it to fit the current criteria of the storyline. Nothing's been established about Vegapunk outside of a few, ambiguous details that are open up to everything. Bleach has always made it clear that Ishida and his father were the last of the Quincy, and everything thought they were, including Mayuri. A secret rogue sect of Quincies would've made perfect sense, but these guys aren't so secret to characters that shouldn't have known about them. Next we're going to have Isshin and Ishida's dad be all, "We knew about these guys all along, they're the REAL THREAT."
Of course, the "REAL THREAT" has always been ambiguous in Bleach. There's no problem with making up that plotpoint later, but when it conflicts with established material...it's a retcon.
It was mentioned many times that Vegapunk is the most brilliant scientist, etc.... A rival would challenge that status, and there is nothing in the manga that has mentioned anyone that is on the same intellectual level of Vegapunk. If there was anyone on the same level of Vegapunk intellectually, it should have been hinted at or mentioned.
This line of thinking makes no senseThat´s my point. It was stated that Vegapunk is the most brilliant scientist, and as such he should not have a rival in the first place.
"Hey guys, I have the memory of a fish and I have nothing to say, because I know it's true that I have no clue what I'm talking about. Retcon, WTF is that LOL. Bleach is gud manga."Oh look, a guy who does does not know what he´s talking about entering the thread.
"Hey guys, I have the memory of a fish and I have nothing to say, because I know it's true that I have no clue what I'm talking about. Retcon, WTF is that LOL. Bleach is gud manga."
"Anything not foreshadowed is a retcon too! One Piece is full of retcons!!11!"
Oh yeah, I forgot, you also had no clue what foreshadowing is. Must be hard for you to argue about retcons and foreshadowing and normal plot reveals when you have no clue what 3 out of 3 are.
You're pretty entertaining... for someone who started this all with "hurr durr", yet ends up derping in every post.
I like you.You're pretty entertaining... for someone who started this all with "hurr durr", yet ends up derping in every post.
What are you, a parrot?How about you actually say something that has substance back it up in it instead of derping all the time. Instead you are a sheep,"OMG one piece is the best literature i have ever read". Well it actually shows.
Besties for life!I like you.
Will be interesting to see how he deals with thisAlso, I haven't even mentioned One Piece at all.
Onani Master Kurosawa :lol
That´s my point. It was stated that Vegapunk is the most brilliant scientist, and as such he should not have a rival in the first place.
But wikipedia is teh lies cause it doesn't say that Bleach is the best shonen of all time. OF ALL TIME!!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retcon#cite_note-telegraph-1
Retroactive continuity (retcon for short) is the alteration of previously established facts in a fictional work.
Bleach is the best shonen of all time
All of these posts are retconned.
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Fuck editing!
Maken-ki
Jesus christ, I thought the old dude would be invincible and the group would have to run away. Minori is packing some ridiculous strength.