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[thetechkid]

so we are talking about chidori right

Man i wish there was another fumoffu

I thought they were animating sigma or something, isn't that what the news was about?

 

[Angry Grimace]

so we are talking about chidori right

Man i wish there was another fumoffu

Man, Chidori is drawn really weird. I liked FMP, but I dropped it after Fumoffu (which was hilarious) due to the fact I heard they never bothered to finish it.

:|

The last few volumes of the "will they or won't they?!" was pretty awful to be honest. Even the harem arcs after weren't quite as bad (though they certainly went off the deep end).

I'm not sure that had anything to do with it - I think it was just the way he writes. But that last arc where Keitaro tried to nail Naru was cringe worthy. It was so awkward he didn't even finish the arc and just skipped to lolwedding

 

[Dresden]

tessa >

 

[Angry Grimace]

Is DTL just doing random yaoi reviews now? I never really noticed his posts since everyone has somehow come to the conclusion they need to post large full pages of whatever panels they thought were funny in every single post.

 

["God's Beard!"]

im Kishimoto

:C

 

[grandjedi6]

Is DTL just doing random yaoi reviews now? I never really noticed his posts since everyone has somehow come to the conclusion they need to post large full pages of whatever panels they thought were funny in every single post.

Which is funny since not posting pictures of new chapters is one of the grand 2 guidelines of this thread

 

[neoanarch]

Which is funny since not posting pictures of new chapters is one of the grand 2 guidelines of this thread

Is it? All spoilers are fair game. Unless you mean duckroll's decree about linking or providing info about scan sites. Which isn't the same as posting panels. (unless duckroll wants to clarify).

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Probably a bad idea, but I'll bite. First, your point about Ichigo driving the plot doesn't work, he's as much a pawn of others as Luffy or Naruto. Wasn't the entire soul society arc set up by Aizen? Sure, Ichigo went to save Rukia, but Aizen was the one who put Rukia in danger in the first place, and later Aizen used Ichigo's entrance into Soul Society as a distraction to further his own purposes. And isn't One Piece basically entirely driven by Luffy's decision to become Pirate King? Isn't that the starting point of the whole series?

But backing up a bit, I'm getting drawn in to your definition of a character driven story, which is frankly pretty weird. It's not whether the character's drive the plot--that's basically every story ever. What makes it "character driven" is that the characters are the most interesting part of the story. I don't really see the characters in Bleach as more complex, or realistic, or interesting than any other shonen battle series. Ichigo is the generic male lead who wants power in order to protect his friends, just like Luffy and Naruto. I barely remember that, at one point, he was guilty over his mother's death, because it's honestly not very important to the story. How do I know that? Because Kubo has spent virtually no time on it, or anything related to Ichigo's personal life, since he first left for Soul Society.

Don't think of this as Bleach bashing. I don't think any mainstream shonen battle series would really qualify as character-driven, and they don't need to. These kind of series are supposed to be about cool superpowers and interesting adventures, not deep psychological portraits. I would say that ATLA makes an attempt (and not an always successful one) to make their characters realistic, relatable, and develop over time, but that's a very different kind of series than Bleach.

Since you are being condescending with I'll bite shit, so listen, when everything revolves around one character, it's a character driven manga.
If Ichigo was not the catalyst for everything, then why Aizen watched him all of his life? Why did he sent Rukia, when he knew that Ichigo and Kaien looked alike and it will have an influence on Rukia? Instead of sending Byakuya to reclaim Rukia, Aizen could have sent Soi Fong and killed Ichigo. Except the fact that Ichigo's role was much bigger. Why the vizards fought besides Soul Society? Who lured Ginjou out. Etc.....
The characters unique personalies are the most interesting part of Bleach. Everything revolve around these characters. Everything.
You say characters in Avatar develop as if Bleach characters did not show any development.

Ichigo is not a generic character because he does not want to be pirate king or hokage. He just want to live his life like any normal person at least until he realized that he can't protect the ones who he loves without having powers. Show any other main battle Shonen manga with the same traits, that the main character does not want to be the biggest baddest find someone etc....

Do I really need to bring out character quotes AGAIN to show the difference between those 3 manga, and the depth of these of these quotes?
The quotes alone in Bleach have much more depth compared to the other 2 and bordering on philosophical, like Aizen's god quote, or Mayuri's perfection quote.

Anywho

Phhh. Beam over analyzes Bleach. You can do the same thing to a ton of other manga/material and still make it seem deep. Keep sugar-coating, Beam. You forget that Kubo's primary goal is to design characters and make them look cool before anything else.

Don't forget that the members of the OP crew have goals of their own.

Also, shout-outs to Orohime and Chad because who the hell are they again?



Except Ichigo was a puzzle in Aizen's plot.



You also seem to forget Luffy's influence in the war of the best. But I bet you tuned that out. Way to be selective.

But it's okay you know, keep doing what you're doing; it's so blatantly obvious that you're mad Bleach gets a ton of shit as opposed to OP.

Lol. Again you have no idea what you are talking about. The fact that you and other can't see that speak volumes about your lack of analytical skills.

1- Luffy did not influence shit in the war. Not outcome not anything.
2- Aizen watched Ichigo all of his life. And played him for his own interest. If Ichigo did not drive the plot, then Aizen would not and everyone else would not be interested in Ichigo.
3- it's because that the vizards fought beside the shinigami, and now some of them joined back. It's because of Ichigo that Aizen completed the Hougyoko. It's because of Ichigo that Aizen was defeated. It's because of Ichigo that they lured Ginjou. It's because of Ichigo that Orihime and Chad have their power. Every single event in the manga directly or indirectly have been influenced or driven by Ichigo.

I am not over analyzing anything. And no you can't do that with every manga. When you say these kind of things, it just proves that you have 0 analytical skills. That's probably why you like one piece so much. You need everything explained to you or else you would be lost and would not know what to say about the manga. It's cool though now that it's confirmed to me that you don't know what you are talking about, I should probably let your ignorance unanswered.

 

[Mr. Fix]

On the Bleach side you have Ichigo who thinks that he murdered his mother, and lived years blaming himself and feeling guilty. He realized that he did not do it. Then when he obtained his hollow he was afraid of it. He did not want the despair to take over him. He was even to go bankai. his hollow made despair a lot throught the manga. That was very evident after the Ulquiorra fight. Then in the Fullbring arc he was shown loneliness and despair. Ichigo has always wanted to live a normal life, but he realized that he needed power those who are close to him. He accepted that he can never be normal. That's a huge development.

Not sugar-coating? Read this. You just made Bleach sound like Naruto, which defeats the purpose of trying to make it seem cooler than it is.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Not sugar-coating? Read this. You just made Bleach sound like Naruto, which defeats the purpose of trying to make it seem cooler than it is.

Lol. In case of doubt and don't have anything to counter just mud sling. And the fact that you compared what I said to Naruto shows your lack of analytical skills. And maybe even reading skills.

 

[mysticwhip]

how is curlyfriski being condescending beam? and lol @ you saying " so listen junior" like it means shit, cmon man. ive been reading these bleach vs op arguments and you are the one being condescending most of the time. hell, i dont even read bleach or op anymore.

 

[grandjedi6]

Viking, you're getting rather insulting and condescending with your posts. And that usually doesn't lead to good things. There's no need to get so defensive. Who cares if people disagree with your opinion on Bleach?

 

[Mr. Fix]

how is curlyfriski being condescending beam? and lol @ you saying " so listen junior" like it means shit, cmon man. ive been reading these bleach vs op arguments and you are the one being condescending most of the time. hell, i dont even read bleach or op anymore.

I caught that. Mudslinging indeed.

 

[grandjedi6]

Is it? All spoilers are fair game. Unless you mean duckroll's decree about linking or providing info about scan sites. Which isn't the same as posting panels. (unless duckroll wants to clarify).

When Fullmetal Alchemist was ending there was this whole spoiler rucus where it was decided that people should A) Post the title of the manga in bold before spoiler discussion and B) refrain from posting pictures (mostly of new chapters). A is done by almost every poster and B is done by many until lately. But no one really posts spoiler pics of series people care about so its not a big problem currently (at least until Duckroll starts getting spoiled on Magi ). I just found commentary on image posts humorous all considering.

 

[Big One]

Bleach will become character driven once actual character development happens.

No Orihime being scared because she was kidnapped is NOT character development, that's called character interaction. That's all Bleach has, we never see them progress, we're only told, which is a very very huge difference in what makes good storytelling, and what makes bad storytelling. Till this day, it has never been explained and showed how Ichigo started out as a funloving teenager into a stern and stoic warrior, as Ichigo has never once really went through the character development process to get there. Instead all that's happened is that Ichigo fights alot, and in between those battles off panel he changes based off his past experience, which yes, is terrible storytelling and makes the entire manga barely worth reading. Even Naruto with it's terrible writing has character development. Bleach does not, or at least the last time it did (Fullbringers) it left a LOT to be desired.

It doesn't even matter if it'll all happen in the final arc, making a reader go through this so long is ridiculous, lazy, and incompetent writing.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Who really cares about this super trivial distinction?

 

[Crash Station]

Which is funny since not posting pictures of new chapters is one of the grand 2 guidelines of this thread

Was never in the OP even in the old threads, so I doubt many current posters know about it.

 

[neoanarch]

When Fullmetal Alchemist was ending there was this whole spoiler rucus where it was decided that people should A) Post the title of the manga in bold before spoiler discussion and B) refrain from posting pictures (mostly of new chapters). A is done by almost every poster and B is done by many until lately. But no one really posts spoiler pics of series people care about so its not a big problem currently (at least until Duckroll starts getting spoiled on Magi ). I just found commentary on image posts humorous all considering.

I remember the huge ruckus but I remember the sane portion of mangagaf winning the argument. ;p

 

[Angry Grimace]

Was never in the OP even in the old threads, so I doubt many current posters know about it.

No, the actual rule was, to my recollection, not to post pictures of unreleased chapters. In any case, its just becoming kind of tedious to just see big jpegs of panel after panel of random series that someone just picked up or finished and instead of explaining its merits, they just show a giant out of context panel (that looks funnier without any set up).

Speaking of Magi, I suppose I'll pick it up after I graduate in a couple of months.

 

[mysticwhip]

there was a rule like that?

i remember 1 or two guys getting mad when i didn't spoiler fma spoilers and chapters that were just released.

 

[neoanarch]

No, the actual rule was, to my recollection, not to post pictures of unreleased chapters. In any case, its just becoming kind of tedious to just see big jpegs of panel after panel of random series that someone just picked up or finished and instead of explaining its merits, they just show a giant out of context panel (that looks funnier without any set up).

Speaking of Magi, I suppose I'll pick it up after I graduate in a couple of months.

The image spamming is definitely annoying. I'd also like to point out the super huge quote responses are also annoying. Especially when the response is a series of one line nonsequiturs.



On the Bleach front. I can't even muster the energy to argue with pheonician. I can agree with him that Bleach is a character driven story. Its just not a very good one. What passes for character growth is power levels. Maybe the fact that Ichigo has gone from easy going delinquent with a sense of humor to a piece of cardboard emotionally is intentional. That is a sort of character development.

 

[upandaway]

Upandaway, Wiseblade: Read Itokoi Chidori together, or Sleeping Planet, or Ubel Blatt.

EDIT: Or Lying Mii-kun and Broken Maa-chan

Joke's on you, I already read Itokoi Chidori and Lying Mii-verse when they were all the rage here. I just chose to exercise my right to silence.

I was gonna marathon Ubel Blatt in August anyway but if Wise-town wills it, it is my command. But dunno if it will work as a daily read.

 

[grandjedi6]

I remember the huge ruckus but I remember the sane portion of mangagaf winning the argument. ;p

They/we did! The counter suggestions ranged from banning spoiler talk to breaking up the manga thread.

Was never in the OP even in the old threads, so I doubt many current posters know about it.

True. Not that it matters much since there isn't much to spoil. It would be nice if people added more text to their posts rather than just .jpg dumps. Everyone wants to be DTL but no one puts in the effort!

 

[Crash Station]

Black Butler

Kadar should be the main character. So much better than that buzz kill, Ciel.

 

[Kurita]

Just curious, how localized are the translations for Saint Young Men? There was this post from a Vertical editor where he talked about why they can't bring over Saint Young Men and one reason was too many references.
Source

Well some references are changed but they still make sense.
They changed the title to "Les vacances de Jésus & Bouddha" (Jesus & Buddha's holidays), you still have Saint Young Men on the cover though but the french title is more explicit.
Overall it's not a "note heavy" translation, it would be bad for the flow of the manga if they had to explain every references. It's still funny as hell.

 

[Crash Station]

Apocalyse no Toride

Na na, na na na na na na na, na Zombiemari Damacy!

 

[upandaway]

Karate Minoru

Oh man, that was a good start.

This fight will be awesome. Minoru's losing no matter what, but yeah.

 

[Wiseblade]

Is DTL just doing random yaoi reviews now? I never really noticed his posts since everyone has somehow come to the conclusion they need to post large full pages of whatever panels they thought were funny in every single post.

Hey man, I crop to panels!

 

[Crash Station]

Wake Up Deadman

This continues to be the only good online Manwha.

 

[mysticwhip]

Wake Up Deadman

This continues to be the only good online Manwha.

nowhere boy is enjoyable.

 

[A Huge Battleship]

Apocalyse no Toride 4

Don't think that he'll go down without a fight don't think that he'll go down without a fight don't think that-

nowhere boy is enjoyable.

Yep. Tower of God is the other standout.

 

[curlyfriski]

Since you are being condescending with I'll bite shit, so listen, when everything revolves around one character, it's a character driven manga.
If Ichigo was not the catalyst for everything, then why Aizen watched him all of his life? Why did he sent Rukia, when he knew that Ichigo and Kaien looked alike and it will have an influence on Rukia? Instead of sending Byakuya to reclaim Rukia, Aizen could have sent Soi Fong and killed Ichigo. Except the fact that Ichigo's role was much bigger. Why the vizards fought besides Soul Society? Who lured Ginjou out. Etc.....
The characters unique personalies are the most interesting part of Bleach. Everything revolve around these characters. Everything.
You say characters in Avatar develop as if Bleach characters did not show any development.

Ichigo is not a generic character because he does not want to be pirate king or hokage. He just want to live his life like any normal person at least until he realized that he can't protect the ones who he loves without having powers. Show any other main battle Shonen manga with the same traits, that the main character does not want to be the biggest baddest find someone etc....

Do I really need to bring out character quotes AGAIN to show the difference between those 3 manga, and the depth of these of these quotes?
The quotes alone in Bleach have much more depth compared to the other 2 and bordering on philosophical, like Aizen's god quote, or Mayuri's perfection quote.

Anywho

Lol. Again you have no idea what you are talking about. The fact that you and other can't see that speak volumes about your lack of analytical skills.

1- Luffy did not influence shit in the war. Not outcome not anything.
2- Aizen watched Ichigo all of his life. And played him for his own interest. If Ichigo did not drive the plot, then Aizen would not and everyone else would not be interested in Ichigo.
3- it's because that the vizards fought beside the shinigami, and now some of them joined back. It's because of Ichigo that Aizen completed the Hougyoko. It's because of Ichigo that Aizen was defeated. It's because of Ichigo that they lured Ginjou. It's because of Ichigo that Orihime and Chad have their power. Every single event in the manga directly or indirectly have been influenced or driven by Ichigo.

I am not over analyzing anything. And no you can't do that with every manga. When you say these kind of things, it just proves that you have 0 analytical skills. That's probably why you like one piece so much. You need everything explained to you or else you would be lost and would not know what to say about the manga. It's cool though now that it's confirmed to me that you don't know what you are talking about, I should probably let your ignorance unanswered.

Yeah, definitely a mistake.

 

[Grzi]

Good story too.

Which makes me even angrier that the franchise is being abandoned by Capcom V_V

<---- At least it ended on the highest note possible

 

[Thud]

Dragon Zakura 52

Very intelligent people are like aliens, cool.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Hey man, I crop to panels!

I'm sure everyone has an excuse. (But hey man, it was a really funny panel! This character said something that was weird!)

 

[thetechkid]

When does Pandora Hearts get good? The first two chapters were terrible and if it stays like how it is I don't want to read anymore.

 

[Johnlenham]

I need something intresting to read does anyone have any suggestions?
Im caught up on OP,Berserk and Ippo. Naruto and Bleach arnt worth reading anymore for me. I do need to go back and catch up with Soul Eater ,Hunter X Hunter and Beelzbub

Something that is complete would be good like Lost boys (I think that was the name? set in the past-present and future)

 

[Thud]

I need something intresting to read does anyone have any suggestions?
Im caught up on OP,Berserk and Ippo. Naruto and Bleach arnt worth reading anymore for me. I do need to go back and catch up with Soul Eater ,Hunter X Hunter and Beelzbub

Something that is complete would be good like Lost boys (I think that was the name? set in the past-present and future)

Catching up with HxH and Beel is easy. I don't recommend catching up with SE, those arcs are too goddamn long.

 

[Dedication Through Light]

Is DTL just doing random yaoi reviews now?

Not most, like Neon Dimension Ascension and Dokusai Grimoire.

 

[upandaway]

I need something intresting to read does anyone have any suggestions?
Im caught up on OP,Berserk and Ippo. Naruto and Bleach arnt worth reading anymore for me. I do need to go back and catch up with Soul Eater ,Hunter X Hunter and Beelzbub

When you namedrop all these, it's kinda hard not to recommend Jojo.

 

[Akito]

I need something intresting to read does anyone have any suggestions?
Im caught up on OP,Berserk and Ippo. Naruto and Bleach arnt worth reading anymore for me. I do need to go back and catch up with Soul Eater ,Hunter X Hunter and Beelzbub

Something that is complete would be good like Lost boys (I think that was the name? set in the past-present and future)

Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer
Onani Master Kurosawa
Angel Densetsu
Mudazumo Naki Kaikaku
Pluto

To name some completed and awesome series, if you are willing to follow a monthly ongoing one, Shingeki no Kyojin.

 

[Dedication Through Light]

I need something intresting to read does anyone have any suggestions?
Im caught up on OP,Berserk and Ippo. Naruto and Bleach arnt worth reading anymore for me. I do need to go back and catch up with Soul Eater ,Hunter X Hunter and Beelzbub

Something that is complete would be good like Lost boys (I think that was the name? set in the past-present and future)

Air Gear.

 

[Johnlenham]

When you namedrop all these, it's kinda hard not to recommend Jojo.

I tried to read the first one but it was abit out there for me. It changes from each arc type thing right? Like new main characters or am I thinking of something else. If so maybe thats wasnt the best place to start.

Pluto! that was the other one! that was damn good. Stuff like that I guess?

Alot of the stuff I end up trying is just awful like Hitman Reborn. After about 25 chapters I was willing myself to the end of each one.
Whats the one with Natsu the dragon kid? I read loads of that but again after awhile I just thought jesus they just repeat everything everytime a new villan shows up.
Think I dropped that when they went to some test island.

I will check out some of the stuff but pretty sure I looked at Lucifer and said Hell no.

 

[Dedication Through Light]

Whats the one with Natsu the dragon kid? I read loads of that but again after awhile I just thought jesus they just repeat everything everytime a new villan shows up.
Think I dropped that when they went to some test island..

Fairy Tail, but it sounds like your dropped before the big things started happening

 

[upandaway]

I tried to read the first one but it was abit out there for me. It changes from each arc type thing right? Like new main characters or am I thinking of something else. If so maybe thats wasnt the best place to start.

The first part is really old so it could put you off, but it does get more modernized as it goes on, and yeah the parts are their own stories/characters. It's still better to read them in order, but if you really dislike the first part, just read a synopsis and then read Part 3. If you like that, go on (and backtrack to Part 2), otherwise just drop it then.

Also, Vinland Saga.

 

[Akito]

Pluto! that was the other one! that was damn good. Stuff like that I guess?

Monster and 20th Century Boys are safe bets then if you didn't read them yet, they're from the same author.

Fairy Tail is the one with Natsu as protagonist and it is not really woth picking up again if you didn't like what you have read.

 

[Johnlenham]

Monster and 20th CenturyBoys are safe bets then if you didn't read them yet, they're from the same author.

Fairy Tail is the one with Natsu as protagonist and it is not really woth picking up again if you didn't like what you have read.

Yeah they are ones ive read! "lost boys" haha I couldnt think of the name to save my life.

Well Jojos steel ball run is a stand alone one arc right? Is that worth a look?


Yeah Fairy Tale.
I like the whole going on jobs thing and the ranking stuff and I did really like it for a long time but I think it must have been around cat island I started losing patience.
Maybe I was just burnt out on it.
If you have anyidea what chapter im on about (test island, think they found some kid that "kills" people somehow) I could give it another shot.

Cheers for the recs so far

Ooh this Vinland Saga looks like Berserk. Good start!

 

[upandaway]

Well Jojos steel ball run is a stand alone one arc right? Is that worth a look?

Yeah, you could just read that. It doesn't have anything to do with the previous 6 parts.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Beelzebub

Meh.

Toriko

A set up chapter.

Medaka Box 80-93

I am so disappointed in the battle between Medaka and Komagawa. So damn underwhelming.

 

[Lain]

Aw yeah! The best josei manga in the fuckin world is being translated again!

Satanister

I never trusted those milkmen! Was only a matter of time before one poisoned it.

This tournament is going to be so damn awesome. So many crazy murders each with their own theme. It's like Suda51 mixed with a grindhouse film. Can't wait.

I'm glad it's getting translated again. It's a pretty interesting, over the top and gruesome story which I liked all the way through the end.