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Old man with young girl is only one part of it. The family part of it, even if no blood relations (and this can be argued was hand-waved away simply to make it less problematic than it was always going to be for the two to be a couple), is the other issue.
I liked the work complete with ending too, because in fiction I have no issues with what was proposed, especially when it's written in a way to try and give it a romantic angle (I want to live with you and give you back the happiness you gave me) than a creep one. Still I understand those that were put off by it and I would have liked it more if Daikichi ended marrying the single mom when it was time for it to happen.
Hentai reading only enhances your taste though.
I do find some of part strangely realistic though.(kinda hurt my own heart here.)
On where Rin end up being hurt by Kouki once and their relation never able to progress anymore further as in RL, sometimes a single mistake is what it takes to ruin a long relation.
Also on the part on Daikichi and Kouki mom, Too Late is also one thing often happen in RL lol.
Even if u like one person and the other person also likes u, if u dont have to courage to bring the relation further, sometimes ur chance just past by and one of the person will move on.......i want to cry right now lol.
The part on them being not blood related is bad though i agree. I mean, if u are going to pair Rin with Daikichi, at least go all way. It is of course kinda a taboo relation but if the pair in the end love each other, whats wrong with that?
Hentai ruined me into NTR,MILF and Cheating fanboi lol.
The issue is not the age, but the fact that he was essentially her father.
It's ethically wrong due to power dynamics, Daikichi was in a position of power over Rin her entire life.
Which essentially makes the series a story grooming, except it doesn't present it as a negative thing.
Also the author never hinted at Daikichi having feelings for Rin, he just sort of goes along with it.
So not only is it unethical, it's badly written due to the complete lack of set up.
The issue with it, unlike most hentai, is that the author tell a realist story, and then tries to pass an abusive relationship as a valid and healthy decision. And that's not acceptable.
Anyone that like Usagi Drop's ending is a shit person and need to get counseling.
You're basically accepting a story about grooming a kid as an healty thing. Get the fuck out with that shit. At least porn NTR and all that shit are clear about the fact that those scenario are fantasies. This was basically a years long setup , a serious story, that turned into a porn scenario (and a particularly disturbing one as that) and tried its best to sell it to you as something acceptable. Rin was even just BARELY not a minor when the ending happened. Jesus christ was a fuming pile of shit.
You're basically accepting a story about grooming a kid as an healty thing. Get the fuck out with that shit. At least porn NTR and all that shit are clear about the fact that those scenario are fantasies. This was basically a years long setup , a serious story, that turned into a porn scenario (and a particularly disturbing one as that) and tried its best to sell it to you as something acceptable. Rin was even just BARELY not a minor when the ending happened. Jesus christ was a fuming pile of shit.
rockinreelin
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So what happened to world trigger? I remember it dropped the alien universe story-line and turned into a battle arena manga. Too bad as it had an interesting set up in the beginning but it appears the mangaka ran out of ideas.
It's on hiatus due to the mangaka having health issues.
What? No. It never dropped that part. The next arc would be about an invasion into Neighbour-worlds.
But it's on hiatus because of health issues.
Rin is eighteen in the ending though.O_O
Also, grooming a kid? I disagree totally that this whole story is about that though. Daikichi is not the same as Genji from Genji Monogatari.
Daikichi took her over Rin as her daughter as he cared for her due to him seeing her crying and he feel that Rin should found happiness after such bad experience. Never once we see Daikichi trying mold Rin into a woman of his fetish. He let her live her own life to her fullest. Hell, Daikichi also pushed her to Koichi which sadly does not work out.
Grooming children in negative context in my opinion is what Genji did to Murasaki where he literally adopt her to develop the girl into his perfect wife. He trained and teach her what he wanted he wanted to see from the girl. That is a bad thing.
On the pairing part of Daikichi and Rin, isn't that mostly come from Rin and not Daikichi too?Daikichi does indeed goes with the flow there as he seems to always wanted to make Rin happy and on the final part, Rin happiness is staying with Daikichi which is why Daikichi just kinda let himself goes there. Daikichi also give Rin another 2 years to find other Partner which she never wanted to. If you guys said the pairing is bad due to age, i can see that angle but on grooming children i disagree there as there is not a single point where we see Daikichi forced his position of power towards Rin in the whole series.
I really don't see how the relationship between Daikichi and Rin can be called as abusive. Unethical and wrong, sure (father figure and all), but why abusive?
This. Again. Not once had we seen Daikichi forced himself towards Rin. And calling their relation into porno is insane for me lol.
Unethical and feels wrong? Of course. He may not be his true dad, but his 10 years relation with her as her father should give that trigger warning. Hell, even Daikichi himself said that to Rin.
Stone Ocean
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Him not forcing himself onto her doesn't change the fact that he just went with the flow. I've seen better excuses for that shit in actual incest porn.
He want to see her be happy and at the moment, her happiness is staying with him?
Grooming doesn't necessarily imply conscious intent, simply the action of him being in a positioned of power during her entire childhood means that she, as a person, was shaped by him.
And needlessly to say, his actions also conditioned her to love him.
Now you could argue this was accidental, but by accepting entering in a relationship with Rin that becomes a moot point. He's dating a teenage girls that he raised to be who she is today.
In the end there's effectively no difference between the end result of his actions and that of other abusers, regardless of initial intent.
I consider any situation of grooming as abusive from a psychological angle.
Probably because u use the word abusers there that i feel there is wrong wording there. As there is no abuse in the whole story there.
Yes, he probably shape her personality due him taking care of her from her young age. But, isn't that the same thing as every family works? Son or daughter would often follow what their parents does. What the parents like or dislike often is close to what their children would like there.
I do disagree that Rin loving him is because Daikichi conditioned her into loving him though as she did had love interest toward Koichi early on.
I dunno here. Let me take a different example then.
If a young girl is taken care by his foster brother till her adult and the young girl end up falling in love with this foster brother, does that make the foster brother also being abuser if he accepted her love? Even if there is no abusive relation happening? Or does this abuser view come because Daikichi is more older than Rin?
Stone Ocean
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Families don't usually fuck
Tell that to Adam and Eve.
Usually does not mean it don't happen though.O_O
Don't forget All those nobles and Royalty lol.
Stone Ocean
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You're missing the point. Your argument that "yeah, he shaped her personality since thats how families work" makes no sense because again, that sort of relationship usually doesn't lead to romantic situations. Intentionally or not he groomed her and him accepting that is disgusting because as mentioned before this is supposed to be a proper story and not some hentai scenario where anything flies.
Are we really gonna hold a modern day story to medieval standards?
Principate
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If she was taken in by this foster "brother" then he wouldn't be her foster brother but her guardian. If they were in that close of an age gap then your talking about living together period of only a few years which means she'd likely be very close to an adult by the time they moved in.
The dynamics and period of stay together is entirely different to someone who raised you from a young age.
Nobility were doing that long past medieval times.
So it all depend on ages and how long she lived with the brother then? If she come in when she is still young and stays for around lets said.....9 years with him, then it will become an abusive relationship if she falls in love with him?
Also, i don't see the difference on foster brother and guardian there. As, in the end it is just a title there. Like the girl will still call her brother and the mass will also still see him as his brother there.
But romantic situations had show up between cousins, nephews or even closer relations. We just called those as taboo relationship as it disregard the norm of the masses. I always feel that as long as the relation is not hurting anyone, whats wrong with that?
You keep saying this is proper stories, but does proper stories mean that the whole stories must follow the rule of real life even when it is still a fiction? Again, there is not a single hentai thing happening there. There is no sex, little fanservice, nothing comparable with what hentai love to shows.
Stone Ocean
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There is no relation of power between cousins and etc. It's completely different from having a relation with your guardian. Those relations being a taboo are mostly due to the problems with inbreeding, not because its some form of abuse - and in many places those relationships are legal.
And yes, I will absolutely judge a grounded, slice of life story with real life scrutiny, specially when it randomly shifts into incest at the end.
So in your eye, relation between 2 individuals which is linked to relation of power is a no no at all cost?
Does your view also include that relation between teacher and student is a no no too as that is also a relation of power going too.
Stone Ocean
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I'm not particularly ok with them, but I don't view those the same as a father/daughter relationship, no, specially since they are temporary relationships and not every relation of power has minors involved. I don't mind the whole "wait till you graduate" trope manga loves so much, but anything beyond that gets creepy super fast.
So uh did you know about Macron...
It never dropped the alien universe storyline. It's pretty easy to tell you didn't actually read the series. Thanks for the hot take anyway.
While i may disagree on some part there, i understand where u are coming from.
I probably just try to see some of the relation being on more positive outlook and not all these kind of relation is abusive relation.
Who???
The new president of France. He dated his teacher back in high school and later married her.
Blue Flag 18
Futaba finally deciding to make moves on Taichi. Probably very slow moves because that's how these stories work but what can you do.
Also I'm expecting that one girl who is always buzzing around Touma to be the reason he comes out for whatever reason. She's always so pushy so I'm expecting it to some how slip out.
Futaba finally deciding to make moves on Taichi. Probably very slow moves because that's how these stories work but what can you do.
Also I'm expecting that one girl who is always buzzing around Touma to be the reason he comes out for whatever reason. She's always so pushy so I'm expecting it to some how slip out.
Ahh i remember watching that on news with my mother lol. She mention that if this marriage happen in the past like during her marriage era, it is going to triggered so many controversies.
From age to student teacher relation, not many parents in Asia here would allow their male son to continue with this relation.
I think she also mentioned that the age differnce can also cause friction as when the age differ too much, the women would suffer more as they will look not as pretty as last time and the husband can move to other girl. And the taste would differ too much as they are already on different generation era.
This i do agree. It is quite strange that the story end up moving away from slice of life like Shirogane no Nina or Yotsuba into this here. I wonder what makes the author thought of this ending there.
A Huge Battleship
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The Duke of Death and his Black Maid 1
This opening chapter was too brief for me to form much of an impression beyond 'hurrah for maids', but that's enough to keep me following it for now.
Yuri Natsu -Kagaya Inn- 7
Hm, maybe Hana's darker side only materialises when she's dealing with Kuki. If so then we have some pretty strong indicators of the eventual 2x2 sibling pairings. That's assuming the flowers will bloom between the sisters, but it's a reasonable bet in the Mochiverse.
There are numerous benefits of having a lewd maid, but if you're a cursed duke who kills things through skin contact, most of them are out of your reach (in every sense). So pity this poor MC, who has to live with the tittular teasing of his titular servant.
2/1 odds that she's the one who originally cursed him.
Yuri Natsu -Kagaya Inn- 7
Hm, maybe Hana's darker side only materialises when she's dealing with Kuki. If so then we have some pretty strong indicators of the eventual 2x2 sibling pairings. That's assuming the flowers will bloom between the sisters, but it's a reasonable bet in the Mochiverse.
So.... cock block the manga?
Cherubimon142
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Kuroshitsuji Ch. 132 Not sure how I feel about the revelation that
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Ciel has an identical twin brother, who also murders Agni Even if it works well for the plot later on, that kind of twist comes out right from a soap opera. "There's an very simple explanation for this officer. I must have an identical twin brother with the exact same sperm."
Incest is disturbing.
Yuri Natsu -Kagaya Inn- ch7
It's great to see sisters get along~
Kobayashi-san Chi no Maid Dragon ch57
This got pretty heavy. Tooru had a rather rough life.
Hatarakanai Futari ch190.1
Lotsa prejudiced thoughts against NEETs.
Spotted Flower ch21.5
Gotta say Yajima is in pretty good shape now.
Yuri Natsu -Kagaya Inn- ch7
It's great to see sisters get along~
Kobayashi-san Chi no Maid Dragon ch57
This got pretty heavy. Tooru had a rather rough life.
Hatarakanai Futari ch190.1
Lotsa prejudiced thoughts against NEETs.
Spotted Flower ch21.5
Gotta say Yajima is in pretty good shape now.
The thing about porn is the characters act and behave like caricatures without any humanizing elements and thus the audience vision it as something that exist solely in fiction.
Whereas in Usagi Drop of even NTR whatnot, so long as its grounded and projecting a side of reality, audience will no doubt uncomfortable with the ending.
The author is kinda a eccentric one, she probably likes to pursue a unconventional route with many of her manga themes.
Whereas in Usagi Drop of even NTR whatnot, so long as its grounded and projecting a side of reality, audience will no doubt uncomfortable with the ending.
The author is kinda a eccentric one, she probably likes to pursue a unconventional route with many of her manga themes.
rrvv
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Magi 369 [END]
Rushed and very simplified ending but it did answer most of the story question. over all is not bad but definitely could be better.
It was fun journey and certain i would recommended this manga to people. It had up and down, especially in pacing but overall good manga.
Now, Where is that duckroll theory
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Rushed and very simplified ending but it did answer most of the story question. over all is not bad but definitely could be better.
It was fun journey and certain i would recommended this manga to people. It had up and down, especially in pacing but overall good manga.
Now, Where is that duckroll theory
Shouta
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The core issue with Usagi Drop definitely comes more so with the fact that the ending and back half clashes with the content of the manga up until that point. It very much implies grooming the way that the entire thing plays out. If the manga had been about the relationship from the start and built the fact that she didn't see him as a parent then it could be a little more palatable but only a little bit.
For a manga that actually does that parenting storyline properly, My Girl by Sahara Mizu/Yumeka Sumomo is a great example of one.
For a manga that actually does that parenting storyline properly, My Girl by Sahara Mizu/Yumeka Sumomo is a great example of one.
My Girl was really, really good. I'm happy it ended where it did, but I still totally want another chapter or twelve.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Black Clover
If Asta had bottled up insane witch magic that heals broken limbs and crushed throats why didn't he get more for that Captain guy that's in a fucken coma
If Asta had bottled up insane witch magic that heals broken limbs and crushed throats why didn't he get more for that Captain guy that's in a fucken coma
8 X 11 Printer Paper
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Manga Sales October 2nd - 8th (Jump Series had 5 days of sales) Text Version later
8 X 11 Printer Paper
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Promised Neverland has been outselling BC since Vol 4 (was even with Vol 3 first week sales), it grew into a monster quick and is eyeing Souma as its next target to overtake (gained around 30K extra between vol 4 and vol 5, and at vol 5 its 50k below Souma). Robot X Laserbeam Vol 2 is the most interesting thing on the chart for me, it's sales growth from Vol 1 is completely flat. Same amount of days both had on the market, neither weeks were a holiday week to affect the sales. Yet both vols debuted at 59K, I guess Robot x Laserbeam's Volume sales seem to be from previous Kuroko fans and Fujos rather then growing its own base.
The Promised Neverland is very good so that is great for it. Not sure if that's great for Black Clover though. I wonder how much the anime will boost BC.
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