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[PeteBull]

I expect a delay incoming

Delay announcemnt will be sweet, additional tens of milions if not even 100m+ usd thrown into game's budget depending on how much delayed its gonna get, and modern day bungie(aka woke leftists cuckholds) wont make any decent game no matter what anyways, but with bigger budget/more dev time game gonna need to be even bigger hit to turn out profit(which by now is not very likely).

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Delay announcemnt will be sweet, additional tens of milions if not even 100m+ usd thrown into game's budget depending on how much delayed its gonna get, and modern day bungie(aka woke leftists cuckholds) wont make any decent game no matter what anyways, but with bigger budget/more dev time game gonna need to be even bigger hit to turn out profit(which by now is not very likely).

Yeah, just like Concord that flopped during the most profitable FY Playstation has ever seen...

 

[Felessan]

Funny how people complain all the time that games are copy-paste only to blame new game that it's not copy-paste enough

 

[Negotiator101]

Both are extraction shooters coming out this year.

That's it? Because to me both look very different.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

That's it? Because to me both look very different.

It has basically been turned into Sony's 'Concord 2.0' vs non-Sony gaas.

 

[R6Rider]

That's it? Because to me both look very different.

Extraction shooter is pretty niche, and overall play the same.

Granted one is first person and the other third is probably the biggest difference outside the art style.

 

[KyoZz]

Funny how people complain all the time that games are copy-paste only to blame new game that it's not copy-paste enough

Sorry but that's a stupid statement, it's not because something is not a 1:1 copy of another game that we should say amen.

I'm going to make a game where you play as a turd, literally, and your goal is to jump into the toilet. It's a new concept, so I guess that makes it a game that should be praised?

I'd rather have a new (and good) Splinter Cell or PoP rather that any games Ubi has pull out in the lat 10 years for example. 100%.

 

[diffusionx]

That's it? Because to me both look very different.

this isn't like, Sonic and Mario, they're two games designed to be played for hundreds of hours, in the same genre.

99% of people who are interested in this genre (let's put aside the question of how many are interested in this genre) are not going to be playing both of these games. They're going to pick one and invest the time in it long-term. And they're often goingto decide on what game they think other people are going to play.

I'm going to make a game where you play as a turd, literally, and your goal is to jump into the toilet. It's a new concept, so I guess that makes it a game that should be praised?

well...

 

[KyoZz]

well...

 

[Felessan]

I'm going to make a game where you play as a turd, literally, and your goal is to jump into the toilet. It's a new concept, so I guess that makes it a game that should be praised?

Flappy bird is basically this and it had some success.

I'd rather have a new (and good) Splinter Cell or PoP rather that any games Ubi has pull out in the lat 10 years for example. 100%.

The problem is that people who play extraction shooters now are all hardcore as it's currently niche and very hardcore genre
And what I learned over long years in online games is that hardcore crowd do not know and do not care about wishes of casuals and behave as they are only strata in the game.
And it's always some rage and big dissatisfaction in this particular crowd when companies shift focus from them and start implementing pro-casual and anti-hardcore mechanics

 

[mayham2199]

I want to play the beta (if they have another one) before making the choice to buy or not. Right now, I'm more interested in how it feels and leaning towards a buy, but want to play the beta to see for sure

Yep I need to play the beta as well before I decide. I like arc raiders when I played it but I prefer FPS over TPS for PVP. If Marathon doesn't do it for me though then yea I'll probably be buying Arc Raiders.

 

[KyoZz]

Flappy bird is basically this and it had some success.

Dude what are we doing here? You really gonna act like you don't see my point?

The problem is that people who play extraction shooters now are all hardcore as it's currently niche and very hardcore genre
And what I learned over long years in online games is that hardcore crowd do not know and do not care about wishes of casuals and behave as they are only strata in the game.
And it's always some rage and big dissatisfaction in this particular crowd when companies shift focus from them and start implementing pro-casual and anti-hardcore mechanics

But... I don't believe anyone think Marathon will fail because it's appealing to a more casual audience. Like, Arc is absolutely not hardcore and has a way better player retention than Marathon. The problem is not there.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Yep I need to play the beta as well before I decide. I like arc raiders when I played it but I prefer FPS over TPS for PVP. If Marathon doesn't do it for me though then yea I'll probably be buying Arc Raiders.

Why not both?

I think both will offer something different. I'll have to play Marathon first as well obviously, but these are the kind of games you can put in your rotation.

That's one of the benefits of live service games.

 

[Felessan]

Dude what are we doing here? You really gonna act like you don't see my point?

My point is that you can't measure game succes by your own standards. It doesn't work this way

But... I don't believe anyone think Marathon will fail because it's appealing to a more casual audience. Like, Arc is absolutely not hardcore and has a way better player retention than Marathon. The problem is not there.

You really measure player retention by closed alpha numbers?
In all this "feedback" threads all I see is that people who are million miles away from actual testing rumbling over internet gossips and some random numbers when conditions - who tested, what was tested, the scope and limitation etc. are not exactly clear. Without full information it's pointless to talk about retention and especially compare different alphas.

Like I participated in FF14 ARR alpha and there was a small batch of land with one entry-level dungeon. I run this dungeon like 5 times in 3 hours and then stopped playing. Retention for sure wasn't that long in alpha. Does that meant that ARR had problems with "player retention" on release? No, because alpha was only a tiny part of final version content.

 

[mayham2199]

Why not both?

I think both will offer something different. I'll have to play Marathon first as well obviously, but these are the kind of games you can put in your rotation.

That's one of the benefits of live service games.

I just wont have the time. I plan to play one of these games on top of whatever SP game I'll also be playing.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Tomorrow is going to be an interesting datapoint for the industry.

I don't care about this game at all, but this is fascinating.

Bungie has a reputation to hold up and what they currently have doesn't seem anywhere close to living up to that. I don't think there's anything they can do that would be considered too extreme here, even canceling the game altogether, but if they say tomorrow that they're keeping the original release date it'll reflect how tone deaf Bungie has become and how much in denial they are.

Still surprised that they had an event showing what they had when they had it, thinking, "This is good, right?"

Again, tomorrow is going to be fascinating.

 

[KyoZz]

My point is that you can't measure game succes by your own standards. It doesn't work this way

But that has nothing to do with your first statement that I quoted, you are (again) changing the subject. Remember you said this:

Funny how people complain all the time that games are copy-paste only to blame new game that it's not copy-paste enough

That was stupid and you know it. Please try to stay focus and on topic.

You really measure player retention by closed alpha numbers?

This is an indication for sure, if the game was THAT GOOD, the numbers wouldn't have dropped dramatically after 2 days. If the gunplay was SO FUN, people would have played more because. They didn't, I wonder why...

In all this "feedback" threads all I see is that people who are million miles away from actual testing rumbling over internet gossips and some random numbers when conditions - who tested, what was tested, the scope and limitation etc. are not exactly clear. Without full information it's pointless to talk about retention and especially compare different alphas.

Like I participated in FF14 ARR alpha and there was a small batch of land with one entry-level dungeon. I run this dungeon like 5 times in 3 hours and then stopped playing. Retention for sure wasn't that long in alpha. Does that meant that ARR had problems with "player retention" on release? No, because alpha was only a tiny part of final version content.

We do with what we have, and also the communication of Bungie that has been in damage control is another indication that this test was not successful.
It's tiring talking to you. I was reacting to your stupid statement, and now you've shifted the conversation to that. You, Killjoy all have the same tactics: say something stupid and then move the goalpost when proved wrong. Tiresome.

Now I'm sure Marathon can push quite big numbers on release, because it's Bungie, but I'm also sure it's gonna crumble after a month, if not earlier. You can quote me on that on release.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

You, Killjoy all have the same tactics: say something stupid and then move the goalpost when proved wrong. Tiresome.

You didn't prove anyone wrong a single time.

All you do is misread what's being said, double-down on it and then go into hiding.

 

[Putonahappyface]

 

[KyoZz]

You didn't prove anyone wrong a single time.

All you do is misread what's being said, double-down on it and then go into hiding.

Go play some Concord.

Oh but you can't!

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Go play some Concord.

Oh but you can't!

Gaf really loves their 'broken clock' moments, huh?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

It's crazy how far developers will let a game get in complete secret without getting sufficient outside opinions.

I can't believe that Bungie never got feedback on this. So either they only asked yes men or they totally ignored feedback. What's more interesting and I hesitate to bring it up, but after the response to Concord's art direction, I'm surprised there was no pause to reflect on all art direction decisions across the board.

I'd love to see where this game was a year ago.

I know Joseph Cross worked at Bungie before all this, but I can't not see a connection with him working at ProbablyMonsters and Firewalk having belonged to ProbablyMonsters.

I think Cross has talent, but this just isn't it.

What's interesting is that this looks way better

than this

 

[KyoZz]

Gaf really loves their 'broken clock' moments, huh?

No it's just that you're 99% of the time in the wrong side but you keep acting like you're right.

But at least it's funny watching you struggle on Concord and now Marathon

 

[Killjoy-NL]

What's interesting is that this looks way better

Isn't that exactly the same look as the one they currently have on their official website?

Marathon | Homepage

From the creators of Halo and Destiny comes Marathon, Bungie's new team-based extraction shooter.

www.marathonthegame.com

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Isn't that exactly the same look as the one they currently have on their official website?

Marathon | Homepage

From the creators of Halo and Destiny comes Marathon, Bungie's new team-based extraction shooter.

www.marathonthegame.com

It is, but that doesn't appear like the in-game visuals...

 

[Felessan]

That was stupid and you know it. Please try to stay focus and on topic.

It was exactly on point.
People complains that games is different and not to their liking and main argument for it "it's done differently in extraction shooters I like, it's a core for genre blablabla"
Bungie pretty obvious doesn't make another Tarkov or whatever, it's not even for the same gamers strata. So things will be different even in parts that current extraction shooters fans consider defacto standard

This is an indication for sure, if the game was THAT GOOD, the numbers wouldn't have dropped dramatically after 2 days. If the gunplay was SO FUN, people would have played more because. They didn't, I wonder why...

Alpha is never GOOD, it's not a full game and it's not even a demo. It's specific slice to test specific parts. It's not even meant to be enjoyed as a whole, it's to gather specific feedback on specific things.
There are complaints that alpha is barren (and it's probably a high reason of low retention) - but alpha often barren, especially alpha focused on adjusting core gameplay (judging on fixes it's the case). Actual content testing it's more of a beta or even late stage beta.

We do with what we have, and also the communication of Bungie that has been in damage control is another indication that this test was not successful.

80% of forum hates Marathon just because it's another gaas. Of course there will be some damage control when there are lots of people zealous and toxic to live service games due to gaas encroaching their hobby and they not particularly come to terms with it

It's tiring talking to you. I was reacting to your stupid statement, and now you've shifted the conversation to that. You, Killjoy all have the same tactics: say something stupid and then move the goalpost when proved wrong. Tiresome.

Just because people disagree with you doesn't make it stupid. Maybe it other way around, think about it.

Now I'm sure Marathon can push quite big numbers on release, because it's Bungie, but I'm also sure it's gonna crumble after a month, if not earlier. You can quote me on that on release.

It will depends on amount of content and quality of gameplay. We know very little of final state for both now.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

If they had marketed this as pre-alpha and hadn't announced a launch date, the response probably would have been somewhat different.

But 6 months? There's just no way they're serious here.

This is why it was short sighted to close Firewalk so quickly. They could have at least been used as a support studio to get Marathon where it needed to be.

Between Destiny 2 and Marathon, I doubt Bungie has the staff to make the necessary changes to get this game up in the timeframe they're looking for.

They could have given the team at Firewalk essentially a one year contract to support Marathon.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

It is, but that doesn't appear like the in-game visuals...

All the other pictures on the frontpage are representative of the ingame visual.
It's all the same art-style/visuals.

I assume you don't think that particular picture is the only one not representative?

No it's just that you're 99% of the time in the wrong side but you keep acting like you're right.

But at least it's funny watching you struggle on Concord and now Marathon

You really only have Concord to refer to, huh?

Btw, quick search to show you I acknowledged Concord flopped before it released (dated a month before release), because I never stated otherwise:

A lot of those people (on Gaf) were also defending a certain company who has been going through a very rough period, so it seems like Concord flopping has led to a culmination of build up emotions.

Like I said, you misread or misinterpret stuff and create your own version.
As do many others, for that matter.

 

[Felessan]

If they had marketed this as pre-alpha

Wtf
Pre-alpha is a dev build, it's never meant to be played by end-users, it's QA build with horrendous quality and lots of features missing. Like LOTS.

 

[KyoZz]

It was exactly on point.
People complains that games is different and not to their liking and main argument for it "it's done differently in extraction shooters I like, it's a core for genre blablabla"
Bungie pretty obvious doesn't make another Tarkov or whatever, it's not even for the same gamers strata. So things will be different even in parts that current extraction shooters fans consider defacto standard

No, you said it like "because it's new we should be all like "OMAGAD SO EXCITING"". But spoiler: it's not because it's new that it's good. I made an example and since then you have simply derived the conversation but that was my only point I wanted to make. And now here we are because you can't accept being wrong.

Alpha is never GOOD, it's not a full game and it's not even a demo. It's specific slice to test specific parts. It's not even meant to be enjoyed as a whole, it's to gather specific feedback on specific things.
There are complaints that alpha is barren (and it's probably a high reason of low retention) - but alpha often barren, especially alpha focused on adjusting core gameplay (judging on fixes it's the case). Actual content testing it's more of a beta or even late stage beta.

Again that's not true. People understand what an alpha is and if the core game is good, it's good, period. Look at Arc first alpha, it has tons of problems but it showed potential, the dev then took into account what worked and what didn't. And now with their latest alpha they crushed Marathon.

Btw, the "alpha" state lost all it's meaning now. You don't have an alpha 6 months before release unless your game is in a terrible state. Marathon had a beta, not an alpha.

80% of forum hates Marathon just because it's another gaas. Of course there will be some damage control when there are lots of people zealous and toxic to live service games due to gaas encroaching their hobby and they not particularly come to terms with it

Nah, it's because it's art direction is terrible and the gameplay is boring. I don't think this forum hate HD2? See, you are disingenuous.

Just because people disagree with you doesn't make it stupid. Maybe it other way around, think about it.

What's stupid is you moving the goalpost. Again and again and again.

It will depends on amount of content and quality of gameplay. We know very little of final state for both now.

We know enough. Lego Power Ranger is not appealing.

You really only have Concord to refer to, huh?

Btw, quick search to show you I acknowledged Concord flopped before it released (dated a month before release), because I never stated otherwise:

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Wtf
Pre-alpha is a dev build, it's never meant to be played by end-users, it's QA build with horrendous quality and lots of features missing. Like LOTS.

I'm just saying from a marketing standpoint because that's how this game has been received, horrendous quality and features missing...

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Be real, you're still mad about this:

 

[KyoZz]

Be real, you're still mad about this:

WTF you still remember that when I didn't lmao. Also my point that the risk/reward was not worth it if I remember correctly, now they changed it for the better, so what?

But hey, let's say you are right on this if that make you happy <3

 

[Mibu no ookami]

There's no way Bungie looked at this and thought "we cooked."

I'm guessing they had an ultimatum from Sony... release the game in six months or start laying staff off. We've given you an extra year and the game still isn't ready, we don't think it's ever going to be better than this.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

WTF you still remember that when I didn't lmao. Also my point that the risk/reward was not worth it if I remember correctly, now they changed it for the better, so what?

But hey, let's say you are right on this if that make you happy <3

So, that's 100% of me being right, on both the 2-shot railgun as well as Concord flopping.

Now, only to see if I can keep it 100% by expecting Marathon to be in a much healthier state than ARC after we have data for both games over the course of the first 12 months post-release for each.

 

[Felessan]

No, you said it like "because it's new we should be all like "OMAGAD SO EXCITING"". But spoiler: it's not because it's new that it's good. I made an example and since then you have simply derived the conversation but that was my only point I wanted to make. And now here we are because you can't accept being wrong.

You have a rich imagination, but please refrain from "said it like"
I meant what I meant, not something you imagine that was there.

Again that's not true. People understand what an alpha is and if the core game is good, it's good, period. Look at Arc first alpha, it has tons of problems but it showed potential, the dev then took into account what worked and what didn't. And now with their latest alpha they crushed Marathon.

So we compare first alpha with followup alpha? Good call for sure
Maybe wait until Bungie "take into account what worked and what didn't" and see what it'll look at second alpha?
Why double standards here?

Btw, the "alpha" state lost all it's meaning now. You don't have an alpha 6 months before release unless your game is in a terrible state. Marathon had a beta, not an alpha.

It's not for you to decide what's alpha and what's beta.
And actual length of phase differ greatly and depends on just how many adjustments need to be done to move to the next stage
And of course they can postpone release if they are not ready

Nah, it's because it's art direction is terrible and the gameplay is boring. I don't think this forum hate HD2? See, you are disingenuous.

Some strong delusion here

What's stupid is you moving the goalpost. Again and again and again.

Disagree that I'm stupid = moving the goalpost? You are a legend.

We know enough. Lego Power Ranger is not appealing.

You? Maybe. Ignorance is a bliss.

I'm just saying from a marketing standpoint because that's how this game has been received, horrendous quality and features missing...

As it was said - alpha should be closed and under NDA otherwise common Joe is too uneducated and ignorant.

Horrendous quality of pre-alpha is when game crashes every 2 minutes and many parts are unaccessible due to critical bugs. That's pre-alpha and that's horrendous quality.
Alpha is when build start resembles a product, it gain some stability to test specific parts. It doesn't mean to be good or feature completed. An FCB (feature complete build) marks end of Alpha and start of Beta.
But average people know nothing about this, for them it's just Greek letters and they treat it all the same - as a demo version with expected quality equal to demo version

 

[KyoZz]

So, that's 100% of me being right, on both the 2-shot railgun as well as Concord flopping.

Am I talking to a twelve years old? "AM RIGHT MAMA YOU SEE!"

No mate, you were wrong for the Railgun, I said that so you can be happy. I was right, because they touched the railgun and now it's good again. And for Concord, sorry but I don't follow you in every thread, reading your every posts. I'm reacting to what I see, and I see you defend shitty games.

Here's a lollipop for you:

Now, only to see if I can keep it 100% by expecting Marathon to be in a much healthier state than ARC after we have data for both games over the course of the first 12 months post-release for each.

I honestly hope for Bungie, because if that's not the case... OOF. And that would be a victory for you, because clearly you have some stakes in this right? You're not doing this just to defend a plastic box, right?

Right...?

You have a rich imagination, but please refrain from "said it like"
I meant what I meant, not something you imagine that was there.

And that was stupid. Congrats? I guess?

So we compare first alpha with followup alpha? Good call for sure
Maybe wait until Bungie "take into account what worked and what didn't" and see what it'll look at second alpha?
Why double standards here?

Again, we judge what we see. If Marathon come back with an awesome AD, tons of new content etc etc... good for them and it will be praised! But we both know that's not happening since they are struggling to put out 4 maps and the AD is locked now.

It's not for you to decide what's alpha and what's beta.
And actual length of phase differ greatly and depends on just how many adjustments need to be done to move to the next stage
And of course they can postpone release if they are not ready

You don't have your game in alpha mode 6 months before release. That's not how it work. Do you research, as I said it lost all it's meaning. But hey, Google is your friend but I'll make it easier [Click here to stop spreading bullshit!] or you can just read that:

An alpha is the first playable, functional version of a video game. It is obtained at a very early stage of development and still has a lot of room for improvement, but it already allows you to test the mechanics in the game world to start reporting and fixing bugs

Key word: first playable, functional version, which is absolutely not what Marathon had.

Some strong delusion here

You think this forum hates HD2, really? Go look the OT mate...

Disagree that I'm stupid = moving the goalpost? You are a legend.

Reading comprehension problem too, I see.

You? Maybe. Ignorance is a bliss.

Please enlighten me.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Am I talking to a twelve years old? "AM RIGHT MAMA YOU SEE!"

No mate, you were wrong for the Railgun, I said that so you can be happy. I was right, because they touched the railgun and now it's good again. And for Concord, sorry but I don't follow you in every thread, reading your every posts. I'm reacting to what I see, and I see you defend shitty games.

Here's a lollipop for you:

You had a meltdown claiming it wasn't possible to 2-shot leg armor on those tanky bugs, I showed you how you were wrong.

But it was just a joke, so lighten up a lil'.

And you do realize they likely changed the railgun again because the casuals couldn't use it properly?

I honestly hope for Bungie, because if that's not the case... OOF. And that would be a victory for you, because clearly you have some stakes in this right? You're not doing this just to defend a plastic box, right?

Right...?

I honestly don't care either way, tbh.

Bungie could get shutdown rn and it wouldn't affect my life in any way.

Just like Concord. I got a refund, Sony had their most profitable fiscal year ever and life moved on as if nothing happened.

 

[KyoZz]

You had a meltdown claiming it wasn't possible to 2-shot leg armor on those tanky bugs, I showed you how you were wrong.

But it was just a joke, so lighten up a lil'.

And you do realize they likely changed the railgun again because the casuals couldn't use it properly?

A meltdown? Of course not.

And as I said my point was that the risk/reward was NOT worth it after the changes, unless I'm mistaking, and I stand by that it was a stupid decision they thankfully corrected.

I honestly don't care either way, tbh.

Bungie could get shutdown rn and it wouldn't affect my life in any way.

Just like Concord. I got a refund, Sony had their most profitable fiscal year ever and life moved on as if nothing happened.

Of course you care, you are on EVERY thread arguing with anyone who don't share your opinion.

Or you have a very strange way to show that "you don't care".

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Of course you care, you are on EVERY thread arguing with anyone who don't share your opinion.

Every thread? Hyperbolic much?

And arguments tend to happen when people disagree.

You're doing the same right now.

Or you have a very strange way to show that "you don't care".

Or you make more out of things than they are.

 

[Felessan]

And that was stupid. Congrats? I guess?

Your imagined things? Yes, they were stupid, but it has nothing to do with what I wrote.
My point stated was and still correct.

You don't have your game in alpha mode 6 months before release.

Of course you can. You certainly need to go to FCB and sort out all of the gameplay mechanics. But that's all. You can do an "early access" trick and go live with beta quality. Beta in the end is about bug fixing, polishing and some minor tweaks/balancing.
It'll be rough, lots of dissatisfaction from players, but nothing unmanagable. Many games launched in rough state, WoW and FF14 included, and it didn't really affected their path to success.

An alpha is the first playable, functional version of a video game. It is obtained at a very early stage of development and still has a lot of room for improvement, but it already allows you to test the mechanics in the game world to start reporting and fixing bugs

Key word: first playable, functional version, which is absolutely not what Marathon had.

I didn't see reports that game not running or shooting don't work at all.
Alpha means exactly what written - game run, not run well or enjoyable or anything else, it simply can be played at all, and it's functional meaning all main parts like running, shooting etc are in place (again - nothing about them being remotely good). It's the whole point of alpha to transform rough and often bad mechanics to something nice based on testers feedback.
And as you correctly cited - it for "test the mechanics in the game world to start reporting and fixing bugs" and not for enjoyment of tester.

You think this forum hates HD2, really? Go look the OT mate...

I think that forum hates gaas in general and that toxic crowd just avoid OT for them (probably because it might lead to a ban). Just go look at latest MIB thread, there was quite a few meltdowns and a lot of pure gaas hate.

Reading comprehension problem too, I see.

You moving the goalpost, how nice

 

[KyoZz]

Every thread? Hyperbolic much?

And arguments tend to happen when people disagree.

You're doing the same right now.

Or you make more out of things than they are.

So that's it, nothing of value to say. Bye, I guess?

Your imagined things? Yes, they were stupid, but it has nothing to do with what I wrote.
My point stated was and still correct.

Prove it. Re-read what you said and prove me wrong.

Of course you can. You certainly need to go to FCB and sort out all of the gameplay mechanics. But that's all. You can do an "early access" trick and go live with beta quality. Beta in the end is about bug fixing, polishing and some minor tweaks/balancing.
It'll be rough, lots of dissatisfaction from players, but nothing unmanagable. Many games launched in rough state, WoW and FF14 included, and it didn't really affected their path to success.

I didn't see reports that game not running or shooting don't work at all.
Alpha means exactly what written - game run, not run well or enjoyable or anything else, it simply can be played at all, and it's functional meaning all main parts like running, shooting etc are in place (again - nothing about them being remotely good). It's the whole point of alpha to transform rough and often bad mechanics to something nice based on testers feedback.
And as you correctly cited - it for "test the mechanics in the game world to start reporting and fixing bugs" and not for enjoyment of tester.

I swear you are so disingenuous. An alpha is NOT what was the latest Marathon playtest. The game is not in a "first playable, functional version" so its not an alpha. It's been in dev for YEARS stop acting like you're stupid.

I think that forum hates gaas in general and that toxic crowd just avoid OT for them (probably because it might lead to a ban). Just go look at latest MIB thread, there was quite a few meltdowns and a lot of pure gaas hate.

Again, prove it. You are making a lot of statement, back them up please.

You moving the goalpost, how nice

Really? Coming from you? Anyway no, read again. It's not difficult you can do it.

 

[mayham2199]

Again that's not true. People understand what an alpha is and if the core game is good, it's good, period. Look at Arc first alpha, it has tons of problems but it showed potential, the dev then took into account what worked and what didn't. And now with their latest alpha they crushed Marathon.

Ok well then what are we walking about here cause I've seen plenty of people say Marathon has something here but it needs to be delayed. So it sounds like Bungie has a core game that is good just needs more time to work on it. I've rarely seen anyone say the game just needs to be canceled.

As far as if they need a delay or not I don't know. That's up to bungie and how much time they need to implement the fixes people want.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

So that's it, nothing of value to say. Bye, I guess?

Dude, you decided to namedrop me out of nowhere during your argument with Felessan .

 

[KyoZz]

Ok well then what are we walking about here cause I've seen plenty of people say Marathon has something here but it needs to be delayed. So it sounds like Bungie has a core game that is good just needs more time to work on it. I've rarely seen anyone say the game just needs to be canceled.

As far as if they need a delay or not I don't know. That's up to bungie and how much time they need to implement the fixes people want.

I've seen a lot of people saying the core game is boring/uninteresting. People saying it has something are like Killjoy. Same that said Concord had something. What's the result?

Edit: and sure you may like it, but the general consensus is pretty clear.

Dude, you decided to namedrop me out of nowhere during your argument with Felessan .

Because you are acting the same. But I forgot how annoying you can be and that's an error I wont make again. Talking with people acting like kids is not funny.

How's your lollipop BTW?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Talking with people acting like kids is not funny.

How's your lollipop BTW?

 

[KyoZz]

Indeed, I must lower myself to your level. It's sad I know, but you brought this to yourself.

 

[L*][*N*K]

I expect a delay incoming

What will a delay do though? Add single player? PvP only content? PvE only content?? Fundamentally this game doesn't work that is pretty much it.

 

[Felessan]

Prove it. Re-read what you said and prove me wrong.

This is what was said and what it meant

Funny how people complain all the time that games are copy-paste only to blame new game that it's not copy-paste enough

People complains that games is different and not to their liking and main argument for it "it's done differently in extraction shooters I like, it's a core for genre blablabla"
Bungie pretty obvious doesn't make another Tarkov or whatever, it's not even for the same gamers strata. So things will be different even in parts that current extraction shooters fans consider defacto standard

I swear you are so disingenuous. An alpha is NOT what was the latest Marathon playtest. The game is not in a "first playable, functional version" so its not an alpha. It's been in dev for YEARS stop acting like you're stupid.

WTF are you talking about? You again let your imagination run wild. Game is playable and functional, as per definition and not your imaginary meaning of these words.
Games being unplayable literally means that if you click on a shortcut nothing happens - this is what it means that game is unplayable. Not some crazy bullshit stuff you imagines. Same for functional - game has functions - you can run and you can shoot. If you can't - game is non-functional.
Now find proofs that a) games do not launch, b) games does not support core functions like running and shooting ~at all~

Again, prove it. You are making a lot of statement, back them up please.

You yourself in that thread trying hard to spin things unsuccessfully

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Really? Coming from you? Anyway no, read again. It's not difficult you can do it.

Yeah, you should go re-read it from the part you say "I was reacting to your stupid statement". But it'll be probably too hard for you to follow.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

What will a delay do though? Add single player? PvP only content? PvE only content?? Fundamentally this game doesn't work that is pretty much it.

I have no answer for that because unless its overhauled its going to struggle to keep people no matter when it launches

I think a delay might let them reevaluate what they actually want to do