Marathon alpha feedback 16th May (1pm PT // 4pm ET // 9pm UK)

I have no answer for that because unless its overhauled its going to struggle to keep people no matter when it launches

I think a delay might let them reevaluate what they actually want to do
Exactly, and an overhaul wont work either unless they do a complete rework of the game including the scope and god knows what else, I personally think this game should have been a game mode in Destiny 3 and they should have pushed it as a selling point like beside the regular PvE and Crucible they should have added extraction as a mode that could have worked.
 
Exactly, and an overhaul wont work either unless they do a complete rework of the game including the scope and god knows what else, I personally think this game should have been a game mode in Destiny 3 and they should have pushed it as a selling point like beside the regular PvE and Crucible they should have added extraction as a mode that could have worked.
We will see if they take the feedback and do anything with it or just shut out the noise and send it out to die because they think they know better.

I hate to keep hammering about such a simple feature but them not having prox chat and saying something about their safety and compliance team spoke volumes to me

Lets not give people just an option to turn it off and leave it on for those that want it, lets not include it because people might say something mean
 
This is what was said and what it meant
Yeah and I'm sure 99% of player would prefer to play an unoriginal good game rather that an original, shitty one. Don't you?

Like I said:

I'm going to make a game where you play as a turd, literally, and your goal is to jump into the toilet. It's a new concept, so I guess that makes it a game that should be praised?
I'd rather have a new (and good) Splinter Cell or PoP rather that any games Ubi has pull out in the lat 10 years for example. 100%.


WTF are you talking about? You again let your imagination run wild. Game is playable and functional, as per definition and not your imaginary meaning of these words.
Games being unplayable literally means that if you click on a shortcut nothing happens - this is what it means that game is unplayable. Not some crazy bullshit stuff you imagines. Same for functional - game has functions - you can run and you can shoot. If you can't - game is non-functional.
Ok so you think what we played for Marathon was (carefull there is a keyworld in there, try to find it!)

The first playable, functional version

I know it's subtle but you can do it!

Now find proofs that a) games do not launch, b) games does not support core functions like running and shooting ~at all~
And now you're playing dumb. Again: [Click here to stop spreading bullshit!]

You yourself in that thread trying hard to spin things unsuccessfully :messenger_tears_of_joy:
You mean the thread that made MiB banned because he was spinning facts?? This is the one you take as an example? Okay...

Yeah, you should go re-read it from the part you say "I was reacting to your stupid statement". But it'll be probably too hard for you to follow.
More empty words.
 
As it was said - alpha should be closed and under NDA otherwise common Joe is too uneducated and ignorant.

Horrendous quality of pre-alpha is when game crashes every 2 minutes and many parts are unaccessible due to critical bugs. That's pre-alpha and that's horrendous quality.
Alpha is when build start resembles a product, it gain some stability to test specific parts. It doesn't mean to be good or feature completed. An FCB (feature complete build) marks end of Alpha and start of Beta.
But average people know nothing about this, for them it's just Greek letters and they treat it all the same - as a demo version with expected quality equal to demo version

I think you're missing the point. Whatever you want to call it, once you're putting it out there and marketing it, saying this is 6 months from release is disastrous
 
It's crazy how far developers will let a game get in complete secret without getting sufficient outside opinions.

I can't believe that Bungie never got feedback on this. So either they only asked yes men or they totally ignored feedback. What's more interesting and I hesitate to bring it up, but after the response to Concord's art direction, I'm surprised there was no pause to reflect on all art direction decisions across the board.

I'd love to see where this game was a year ago.

I know Joseph Cross worked at Bungie before all this, but I can't not see a connection with him working at ProbablyMonsters and Firewalk having belonged to ProbablyMonsters.

I think Cross has talent, but this just isn't it.

What's interesting is that this looks way better

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than this

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From what I understand they've been getting feedback for years including from tarkov players. Apparently the feedback has been rough which is why the game has taken so long but evidently they feel like they figured out the formula… or are out of time and need to get it done.
 
From what I understand they've been getting feedback for years including from tarkov players. Apparently the feedback has been rough which is why the game has taken so long but evidently they feel like they figured out the formula… or are out of time and need to get it done.

There are so many things wrong here that there is no way they could think they "figured out the formula" at this point.

I'm confident that they simply ran out of time and they're probably taking the feedback to sony begging for a delay.
 
Its funny but if this got delayed, that would mean ARC Raiders saved Marathon lol

I don't think Bungie will delay it. 3-5 years already in the making with one (supposed) major overhaul already done, they will simply ship it and keep updating the game slowly towards a better exciting game. Should have enough meat already that It won't be DOA, but just be disappointing.
 
I don't understand why they use the "Alpha" term.
They can't possibly still be in Alpha, or offer such an old build to players. The version naming has lost all it's meaning.
 
Yeah and I'm sure 99% of player would prefer to play an unoriginal good game rather that an original, shitty one. Don't you?
You can only talk for yourself, just a reminder. Tastes differs, especially when we are talking about different stratas.

I'm going to make a game where you play as a turd, literally, and your goal is to jump into the toilet. It's a new concept, so I guess that makes it a game that should be praised?
I'd rather have a new (and good) Splinter Cell or PoP rather that any games Ubi has pull out in the lat 10 years for example. 100%.
And there was an answer
The problem is that people who play extraction shooters now are all hardcore as it's currently niche and very hardcore genre
And what I learned over long years in online games is that hardcore crowd do not know and do not care about wishes of casuals and behave as they are only strata in the game.
And it's always some rage and big dissatisfaction in this particular crowd when companies shift focus from them and start implementing pro-casual and anti-hardcore mechanics


Not every game made for your liking. Deal with it.

Ok so you think what we played for Marathon was (carefull there is a keyworld in there, try to find it!)
The first playable, functional version
I know it's subtle but you can do it!
It what defines ~start~ of alpha phase. But it's a bit too complex for you.
Just for reference - I worked 3 years in QA and 2 years as BA and I have quite good understanding how these phases roll out. Not your bullshit stuff straight from kindergarden google/wiki.

You mean the thread that made MiB banned because he was spinning facts?? This is the one you take as an example? Okay...
Yes, and what's the problem? It's still true for what I stated.

I think you're missing the point. Whatever you want to call it, once you're putting it out there and marketing it, saying this is 6 months from release is disastrous
This shit just blows my mind
Business for children - make a fancy stuff and ignore substance, and many ready to buy it and even blame when companies do a more weighted and mature approach.
As I said above - it doesn't really matter, 6 month from release is enough to get FCB. And children whining will just disappear in history if game is good.
 
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Its funny but if this got delayed, that would mean ARC Raiders saved Marathon lol

I don't think Bungie will delay it. 3-5 years already in the making with one (supposed) major overhaul already done, they will simply ship it and keep updating the game slowly towards a better exciting game. Should have enough meat already that It won't be DOA, but just be disappointing.
The delays don't work anyway. Suicide Squad got delayed a full year after the horrid reveal. It made no difference. Once you're a live game with the stink of bad people don't give you a chance.

I wasn't even aware the vibe was so bad with this game. I thought people liked the game in the alpha and shills on here told me because the discord has 8 billion members the hype is huge. But I hopped on the Marathon plebbit and even there people aren't excited.
 
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The delays don't work anyway. Suicide Squad got delayed a full year after the horrid reveal. It made no difference. Once you're a live game with the stink of bad people don't give you a chance.

I wasn't even aware the vibe was so bad with this game. I thought people liked the game in the alpha and shills on here told me because the discord has 8 billion members the hype is huge. But I hopped on the Marathon plebbit and even there people aren't excited.

I disagree here. Comes down to how you use your time.

Why was Marvel Rivals successful when Suicide Squad wasn't?
 
You can only talk for yourself, just a reminder. Tastes differs, especially when we are talking about different stratas.
So you think the vast majority of players would rather play a bad but original game, rather than a good game from an established franchise? Okay...

I might make a thread with a poll just to see the general consensus even if I already know the answer.

And there was an answer
The problem is that people who play extraction shooters now are all hardcore as it's currently niche and very hardcore genre
And what I learned over long years in online games is that hardcore crowd do not know and do not care about wishes of casuals and behave as they are only strata in the game.
And it's always some rage and big dissatisfaction in this particular crowd when companies shift focus from them and start implementing pro-casual and anti-hardcore mechanics
Yeah, and Arc was better received than Marathon. So...? It's not appealing to hardcore gamers and Arc as way more chances of being successful than Marathon, budget and reception are already talking.

Not every game made for your liking. Deal with it.
Where did I stated that? And I'm glad that is the case! If not, gaming would be boring.

It what defines ~start~ of alpha phase. But it's a bit too complex for you.
Just for reference - I worked 3 years in QA and 2 years as BA and I have quite good understanding how these phases roll out. Not your bullshit staff straight from kindergarden google/wiki.
You don't have your game in alpha 6 months before release. This is a fact, no matter what you say. My point was to prove you what an alpha is. Once the different elements of gameplay are integrated and somehow working good enough, the studio can move to the next phase. I personally know the guy who made Dead Cell (btw exclusive information for gaff, his next game is gonna be on Switch 2), and I'm friend with some staff at Asobo, which are, you know, actual devs. Is this a competition?

Yes, and what's the problem? It's still true for what I stated.
If you say so. He got banned for misleading information that you are, for some reason, defending. Whatever float your boat my friend.
 
So you think the vast majority of players would rather play a bad but original game, rather than a good game from an established franchise? Okay...
I might make a thread with a poll just to see the general consensus even if I already know the answer.
On a forum where practically only hardcore present? Yeah, it'll be representative for sure.

Yeah, and Arc was better received than Marathon. So...? It's not appealing to hardcore gamers and Arc as way more chances of being successful than Marathon, budget and reception are already talking.
On it's follow-up alpha? Yeah, apple to oranges is a perfect comparison.

Where did I stated that? And I'm glad that is the case! If not, gaming would be boring.
You are talking just above about "majority of players". Neither you, this forum, reddit or anything else is representation of majority of players. You have little idea what majority looks like if you talk like that,

You don't have your game in alpha 6 months before release. This is a fact, no matter what you say. My point was to prove you what an alpha is. Once the different elements of gameplay are integrated and somehow working good enough, the studio can move to the next phase. I personally know the guy who made Dead Cell (btw exclusive information for gaff, his next game is gonna be on Switch 2), and I'm friend with some staff at Asobo, which are, you know, actual devs. Is this a competition?
You might have. You even might have it to be in pre-alpha. It'll be rough, but it's doable.
And having your product in completely raw state at times of launch doesn't mean it will fail. It might be unpleasant (very) for all sides but.... shit happens.

If you say so. He got banned for misleading information that you are, for some reason, defending. Whatever float your boat my friend.
He got banned for taunting based on something he himself can't explain/argue properly.
As we already discussed in that thread - it's not like he is wrong, it's just what he did was wrong. I didn't get banned for example for exactly same position as I didn't went taunting everyone and I put some reasonable model that explains with high degree of certainty that statement is indeed truth.
 
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The delays don't work anyway. Suicide Squad got delayed a full year after the horrid reveal. It made no difference. Once you're a live game with the stink of bad people don't give you a chance.

I wasn't even aware the vibe was so bad with this game. I thought people liked the game in the alpha and shills on here told me because the discord has 8 billion members the hype is huge. But I hopped on the Marathon plebbit and even there people aren't excited.

The reddit is weird. I see people saying the gunplay is horrible and then the next person is saying it's the best gunplay they've had in an extraction shooter but complain about other things in the game.
 
Concord 2.0 beta reaction incoming and the usual defense force from devs and fanboys gaslighting people with their "toxic positive", telling everyone how the game is great and doesn't need to change at all 🤦‍♂️
 
On a forum where practically only hardcore present? Yeah, it'll be representative for sure.
Dude, anyone with a bit of comon sense would rather play a good game rather than a bad one. That's it, stop trying to argue with this it's ridiculous.

On it's follow-up alpha? Yeah, apple to oranges is a perfect comparison.
Thing is Marathon only has a few months left now... Hence why it's not an alpha btw. You can be sure that the first playable build (so, the alpha) was made years ago. They even said themselves they let Tarkov players try it. There was a lot of work going into closed doors, what we saw and played is absolutely not a first build.

You are talking just above about "majority of players". Neither you, this forum, reddit or anything else is representation of majority of players. You have little idea what majority looks like if you talk like that,
This is just comon sense really. And what is the connection with what you quote? I'm saying that the vast majority of players rather play a good game than a bad one, and somehow for you it's a hot take? Wth...

You might have. You even might have it to be in pre-alpha. It'll be rough, but it's doable.
And having you product in completely raw state at times of launch doesn't mean it will fail. It might be unpleasant (very) for all sides but.... shit happens.
It's been in development for years, if it's effectively in alpha state that is even more concerning because that would mean it's been totally rebooted a year ago maximum!

He got banned for taunting based on something he himself can't explain/argue properly.
Read the reason of the ban my friend. That's it.

As we already discussed in that thread - it's not like he is wrong, it's just what he did was wrong. I didn't get banned for example for exactly same position as I didn't went taunting everyone and I put some reasonable model that explains with high degree of certainty that statement is indeed truth.
Lmao sure if you say so. You are not right because you keep saying gaas was the main driving force when there is absolutely nothing, nothing to back your claim. But I'll stop here on this particular subject as it's not the thread for that.
 
Dude, anyone with a bit of comon sense would rather play a good game rather than a bad one. That's it, stop trying to argue with this it's ridiculous.
Anyone with common sense knows that perception of what's good and what's bad are subjective.
It's so funny how you try to put yourself/your strata as a golden standard

Thing is Marathon only has a few months left now... Hence why it's not an alpha btw. You can be sure that the first playable build (so, the alpha) was made years ago. They even said themselves they let Tarkov players try it. There was a lot of work going into closed doors, what we saw and played is absolutely not a first build.
Go re-read what alpha is and when it's end and what's next stage (beta) is about. Maybe you'll sprout less non-sense based on one sentence related to ~start~ of the phase that you still can't get.
I know it'll be hard for you, but how game, like Arc, can have follow-up alpha if it's only a 'first playable build", changes always means a new build :messenger_grinning_sweat:

This is just comon sense really. And what is the connection with what you quote? I'm saying that the vast majority of players rather play a good game than a bad one, and somehow for you it's a hot take? Wth...
There is no common sense in it, just YOUR belief that it's a common sense, that simple hide this particular fact:
And what I learned over long years in online games is that hardcore crowd do not know and do not care about wishes of casuals and behave as they are only strata in the game.

It's been in development for years, if it's effectively in alpha state that is even more concerning because that would mean it's been totally rebooted a year ago maximum!
You just have no idea how many stages there are and how long each of them. Obviously zero experience in software development.
Those alpha-beta are consumer delivery stages, go look at waterfall and you'll see that there a huge amount of work before actual coding even starts. And all actual delivery stage (alpha and beyond) combined just *tiny* fraction compared to so-called "pre-alpha".

Read the reason of the ban my friend. That's it.
And here we go again. He took a number, put some label on it and went flaunting and aggro people. And got banned for misrepresentation of data because it is what it is.
Still it doesn't make this numbers less proof that gaas is taking a lead. It's just position that lack substance (rational explanation that can be verified) is weak by default and if it's used to taunt people - it is a reason to ban.

Lmao sure if you say so. You are not right because you keep saying gaas was the main driving force when there is absolutely nothing, nothing to back your claim. But I'll stop here on this particular subject as it's not the thread for that.
Of course there is nothing. You just weak at math and strong in "common sense", and it clearly shows.
 
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Anyone with common sense knows that perception of what's good and what's bad are subjective.
It's so funny how you try to put yourself/your strata as a golden standard
Now you're reaching. I'm talking about a bad game (bad gameplay, bad story etc...) and a good game (good gameplay, good story etc...). Now of course you will always find people that like a game no matter how bad it is, but that's not what I'm talking about here.

So tell me again, do you think people rather play an original bad game or a good one but coming from a know IP. It's a simple question that demand a simple answer: yes or no.

Go re-read what alpha is and when it's end and what's next stage (beta) is about. Maybe you'll sprout less non-sense based on one sentence related to ~start~ of the phase that you still can't get.
I know it'll be hard for you, but how game, like Arc, can have follow-up alpha if it's only a 'first playable build", changes always means a new build :messenger_grinning_sweat:
As I said , this state has lost all it's meaning. Arc being in alpha last week is just as stupid. Beta is more adapted.
It's tiresome, I keep repeating myself and yet you don't understand.

There is no common sense in it, just YOUR belief that it's a common sense, that simple hide this particular fact:
And what I learned over long years in online games is that hardcore crowd do not know and do not care about wishes of casuals and behave as they are only strata in the game.
There is no common sense in saying that the vast majority of players rather play a good game than a bad one?? What do you want me to say when you spout out such nonsense.
And now you try to spin the narrative by saying "b...b...but everything is subjective!".

gtfo GIF


You just have no idea how many stages there are and how long each of them. Obviously zero experience in software development.
Those alpha-beta are consumer delivery stages, go look at waterfall and you'll see that there a huge amount of work before actual coding even starts. And all actual delivery stage (alpha and beyond) combined just *tiny* fraction compared to so-called "pre-alpha".
Nobody know how long it is because it can vary from a studio to another and many, MANY other factor. There is no absolute response. What we can say is that a game 6 months before release is not in alpha unless it's in terrible shape. And we know they reached alpha a long time ago because of the information we can recoup.
Again we are getting off topic. But no, alpha, beta etc... are not consumer delivery stages, at least it was not intended to. But somehow around 2010 studios started to release demo for multiplayer games a week before the release with the tag "beta" because that would serve as an excuse on why the game is struggling to run, server problem etc etc...
And now they tag with alpha when it's just a few months before the release, confusing people like you that think they know better.

And here we go again. He took a number, put some label on it and went flaunting and aggro people. And got banned for misrepresentation of data because it is what it is.
Still it doesn't make this numbers less proof that gaas is taking a lead. It's just position that lack substance (rational explanation that can be verified) is weak by default and if it's used to taunt people - it is a reason to ban.
Me: he got banned for misleading information.
You: no, it's because "taunting based on something he himself can't explain/argue properly"
Me: read the reason. The reason: "Misrepresenting data to suit your weird agenda"
You: He got banned for misrepresentation of data!

Dude wtf are you doing....

Of course there is nothing. You just weak at math and strong in "common sense", and it clearly shows.
As I said it's not the topic, and you already have a hard time being consistent with Marathon so let's keep it there.
 
I don't understand why they use the "Alpha" term.
They can't possibly still be in Alpha, or offer such an old build to players. The version naming has lost all it's meaning.

I had the same thought when I heard they were calling their preview "Alpha". Like, are you guys really prepared to rip out big pieces of the game and replace them at this point, which would also require delaying the game quite a bit, or are you 95% content locked? 🧐
 
I had the same thought when I heard they were calling their preview "Alpha". Like, are you guys really prepared to rip out big pieces of the game and replace them at this point, which would also require delaying the game quite a bit, or are you 95% content locked? 🧐
Facts, we all know it's bullshit really. Unless they delay it by AT LEAST 18 months but I don't see this happening.
 



Its a pure copy, and the art director follows the artist for years.

They have responded trying to avoid any accountability.

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To the fanatics that were defending this trash, what now?

From another user :

"The artists name can even be seen in the game (granted it's smudged, Bungie probably thought handle 'anti real' was just a cool word salad).

The artists watermark/logo is also present all over the game because they just blatantly copy pasted.

A number of Bungie employees along with the lead art director follow the artist on twitter. It's such a shitshow."

And this is the 3rd or 4th time they are caught plagiarizing/stealing content.

They copied his entire PF -
 
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Its a pure copy, and the art director follows the artist for years.

They have responded trying to avoid any accountability.

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To the fanatics that were defending this trash, what now?

From another user :

"The artists name can even be seen in the game (granted it's smudged, Bungie probably thought handle 'anti real' was just a cool word salad).

The artists watermark/logo is also present all over the game because they just blatantly copy pasted.

A number of Bungie employees along with the lead art director follow the artist on twitter. It's such a shitshow."

And this is the 3rd or 4th time they are caught plagiarizing/stealing content.

They copied his entire PF -

Big con artists energy where a big company plagiarizes a smaller individual without fear of repercussion. Tale as old as time, and it's incredible the amount of people that will defend this behavior only because it was done by one the industry's "darlings".
 
Big con artists energy where a big company plagiarizes a smaller individual without fear of repercussion. Tale as old as time, and it's incredible the amount of people that will defend this behavior only because it was done by one the industry's "darlings".
It's the Sony way

 
It's the Sony way


There is now way this is a Sony directive.
This is how talentless art directors do their jobs, they go online and download a shitload of assets.

The game is artistically shallow anyway. I watched a few minutes of gameplay and the same map decorations repeat everywhere, even side by side the same vehicle models textures and colors.

Sony needs to pull the plug for this and Fairgame$.
 
Only 45 mins to the PlayMA session and not even a countdown on their twitch channel or bunch of people logging in and waiting.
Are we sure they aren't gonna cancel this the second time.
 
Only 45 mins to the PlayMA session and not even a countdown on their twitch channel or bunch of people logging in and waiting.
Are we sure they aren't gonna cancel this the second time.
Word on the Marathon Discord is that the stream is still going to happen in 45 minutes.
 
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Concord 2.0 beta reaction incoming and the usual defense force from devs and fanboys gaslighting people with their "toxic positive", telling everyone how the game is great and doesn't need to change at all 🤦‍♂️

Sony fanboys are becoming insufferable.
 
Sony fanboys are becoming insufferable.
Honestly all of the fanboys are just getting worse and worse. I wish people could distance themselves from being so protective of their preferred platform, its so odd to me. You can love what you love for whatever reason why, and other people's opinions shouldn't affect how you feel about it.

I just don't understand trying to bend Concord into something positive, or even Marathon at this point. If Marathon launches and doesn't land well, there's definitely a possibility that they could improve it over time as long as it doesn't sink. But that's the concerning thing, there's so much about it out there that should make people question things. I mean, TOO many people that have played the alpha and have said that it's nothing exciting, memorable, etc. I feel like they have to delay it and they have to make pretty large changes to get it to land better, a few months is absolutely not enough. Even if they planned on crunching nonstop between now and then.
 
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LOL.

Now all you creatives know what it feels like when in consumer goods, a big company spends a shit load of time and money creating products and brands.

And next thing you know the store makes their own knock off with similar packaging, they sell it for 30% cheaper, and then next year says they are cancelling your brand name product so more of their cheap store brand items can fit on the shelf.

But at least the store brand isnt a carbon copy. It's close and would never be told by courts to change it. They cant use the brand name/logo.

But in gaming, it looks like the thieves dont even bother stealing ideas and tweaking it. it's literally a copy and paste hoping no small creatives notice or they dont have the willpower or money to go after them if they find out. Wow. At least any stupid store trying to copy a corporate brand would be easily taken to court. That's why they never exactly copy 100%. The art and any name will be a bit different.
 
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I went to Twitch Marathon and it showed nothing in the schedule and just auto played a video from 20 something days ago with a guy sitting too close to his mic so I could hear him breathing between words and I turned it off.
 
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