Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Embark has said nothing about launch map count.
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Marathon Alpha Impressions
- Thread starter coachmcguirk91
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You legit don't understand that tactical shooters do better on console than their PC counterparts….
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I think the ship is starting to sail on Marathon outperforming ARC Raiders on any platform (PC or console). The sentiment from all different types of gamers skews heavily in the direction of ARC Raiders. They appear to be in different weight divisions now.
The real discussion is about whether or not both titles can succeed or if it'll just be ARC Raiders.
The real discussion is about whether or not both titles can succeed or if it'll just be ARC Raiders.
clarky
Gold Member
Source please?
coachmcguirk91
Member
It's fair to question the longevity of Marathon, but Marathon's success or failure will have little to no bearing on ARC Raiders. The games cater to completely different players
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
We know this is wrong because all the streamers who were given Marathon access are now making a ton of ARC Raiders content.
Bungie and Embark are targeting the same exact audience.
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DayZ hits 500,000 daily players
DayZ continues to grow in strength, with the game reaching its highest player count ever at 500,000 daily players across all platforms.
www.levelinfinite.com
I dont feel like looking up Arma Reforger but I use to go to discords and devs would say the same thing in fact it was known before the PS launch that the Xbox version of reforger was keeping the game alive and then once it came out for PS5 the game game got even better numbers. Console players love tactical shooters….
I only like hardcore difficult single player games too. I think these participation trophy developers don't understand hardcore game mechanics are fun because of the learning curve and gameplay.
I play games for a challenge I hate casual easy games…
There's a reason Elden Ring is big and I believe a hardcore Socom would be huge the moment they dumbed it down with Socom 4 is the moment the game died.
I think AAA gaming is going to die because they keep hiring developers on studios that want to make games like Star Wars Outlaws and Casual experiences that anyone with 1 braincell can beat in a few days.
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coachmcguirk91
Member
Streamers jumping to a new popular game for a weekend means absolutely nothing. Anything that is new is easy content for any streamer. You act like Arc Raiders is the next Fortnite. Shroud is the perfect example. He will play Arc Raiders for a few days before going back to FPS games like Valorant, Counter Strike, or COD, because that is why his dedicated fanbase watches him
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
This isn't accurate either.
Clair Obscure 33 and South of Midnight were two relatively big releases this month. Those games were given to different streamers. Publishers target different streamers because they have different audiences.
"Clair Obscure 33 and ARC Raiders cater to completely different players."
That's a muuuuuuch more accurate statement.
Heck, even if you're paying attention to the discussion here, the people interested in Marathon are also interested in ARC Raiders and vise versa.
coachmcguirk91
Member
Gamers like all types of games. I am specifically talking about people comparing Marathon to Arc Raiders. People are comparing the two like it is GTA vs Saints Row or Forza vs Drive Club. Marathon and Arc Raiders play nothing alike. It's like saying Helldivers 2 couldn't be successful because Tarkov exists, as they are both extraction games. They cater to different audiences, even if many streamers have played both. It's silly
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I would say that's very accurate. They're both Extraction Shooters so they both appeal to gamers who are interested in Extraction Shooters.
Well, they're both Extraction Shooters soooo...
Helldivers 2 isn't really an Extraction Shooter. It's also a PvE game while Escape from Tarkov is a deeply competitive PvP Extraction Shooter.
About as silly as saying Virtua Fighter and Tekken "cater to completely different audiences".
Really, it's more like Fortnite and Apex Legends. Both are successful in their own right and both play somewhat differently but they're both fairly standard Battle Royale games. The venn diagram of people who have played both is nearly a perfect circle.
I swear to God I've heard Forza Motorsport fans say you shouldn't compare it to Gran Turismo because they both cater to different audiences.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
DayZ hits 500,000 daily players
DayZ continues to grow in strength, with the game reaching its highest player count ever at 500,000 daily players across all platforms.
I dont feel like looking up Arma Reforger but I use to go to discords and devs would say the same thing in fact it was known before the PS launch that the Xbox version of reforger was keeping the game alive and then once it came out for PS5 the game game got even better numbers. Console players love tactical shooters….
I only like hardcore difficult single player games too. I think these participation trophy developers don't understand hardcore game mechanics are fun because of the learning curve and gameplay.
I play games for a challenge I hate casual easy games…
There's a reason Elden Ring is big and I believe a hardcore Socom would be huge the moment they dumbed it down with Socom 4 is the moment the game died.
I think AAA gaming is going to die because they keep hiring developers on studios that want to make games like Star Wars Outlaws and Casual experiences that anyone with 1 braincell can beat in a few days.
From your link:
So it's higher on PC, unless I'm missing something?
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Killjoy-NL
Banned
I'm talking Arc and Marathon specifically.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
I had seen it being mentioned somewhere, but after my post I noticed your thread about the possible 12 maps.
Would be cool I guess, but I don't think it will matter a lot.
Can you add??? I said Console…
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I was saying Console players are waiting for a great tactical shooters because there aren't many. DayZ isnt even a real complete game.
These AAA studios need to stop making casual crap and reduce their employee size.
Hero_Select
Member
He's combining the consoles together
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LaughingStock
Member
Even if Marathon turns out good, people have a hate boner about Bungie. It's an uphill battle.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
I know, I am as well.
I'm just saying ARC won't be it because it's going to get boring real fast.
StreetsofBeige
Member
24 hour peak for the alpha on Steam. About 900 gamers. 600 now.
ARC Raiders, 24H peak 20,000. 10,000 now.
ARC Raiders, 24H peak 20,000. 10,000 now.
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Killjoy-NL
Banned
Curious to see how it goes, ARC beta will end today and Bungie extended the closed alpha by 2 extra days, where they are unlocking all Faction upgrades, starting may 5th 8am PT.
Starting may 6th 8am PT, they will include Incursion events (public events I assume) and increased AI reinforcements.
Bungie Extends Marathon Closed Alpha Test, Major Faction Changes and AI Buffs Incoming
Bungie has extended the Marathon Closed Alpha test until May 6, unlocking all Faction upgrades, increased AI challenges, and stress testing.
thegamepost.com
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Curious to see how it goes, ARC beta will end today and Bungie extended the closed alpha by 2 extra days, where they are unlocking all Faction upgrades, starting may 5th 8am PT.
Starting may 6th 8am PT, they will include Incursion events (public events I assume) and increased AI reinforcements.
Bungie Extends Marathon Closed Alpha Test, Major Faction Changes and AI Buffs Incoming
Bungie has extended the Marathon Closed Alpha test until May 6, unlocking all Faction upgrades, increased AI challenges, and stress testing.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
That's Bungie's problem.
nnytk
Member
Fair enough
I just feel like there's already an overload of competitive games—Valorant, PUBG, Apex, CS, Overwatch, LoL, Fortnite, etc. Meanwhile, PvE co-op experiences like Destiny remain rare and special. It's surprising more studios don't focus there. Left 4 Dead 2 never got a real successor (maybe Helldivers 2), Borderlands stalled, and Destiny brought something unique. Remnant 2 shows potential, even FromSoftware is exploring it.
And to be clear, I love competitive games—I've logged thousands of hours. But the gaming space feels ripe for a new, ambitious PvE co-op title. Marathon doesn't seem like it.
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MayauMiao
Member
He played Marathon once, with 61k views.
Meanwhile, Arc Raiders streamed 4 times with over 100k views on each video not even counting the one running live right now.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
I'm with you on that. Would love something like Destiny.Fair enough
I just feel like there's already an overload of competitive games—Valorant, PUBG, Apex, CS, Overwatch, LoL, Fortnite, etc. Meanwhile, PvE co-op experiences like Destiny remain rare and special. It's surprising more studios don't focus there. Left 4 Dead 2 never got a real successor (maybe Helldivers 2), Borderlands stalled, and Destiny brought something unique. Remnant 2 shows potential, even FromSoftware is exploring it.
And to be clear, I love competitive games—I've logged thousands of hours. But the gaming space feels ripe for a new, ambitious PvE co-op title. Marathon doesn't seem like it.
Or maybe Destiny 3, but then a sequel they don't fuck up and that isn't so basic in world design.
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They peaked at 6k ccu on steamdb the first day (22 of april) then a steady decline. On 25 of april people where done with this shit and it peaked at 3k, 26 of april 2k and after that they hardly reach 1k and now since 2 days ago they dont. Oh boy, bungo you`ve done fuck up now. And to the 2 guys defending this with some braindead takes(could be trolling too), take thoose takes and shoove them up where the sun dosent shine 
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Killjoy-NL
Banned
You do realize I don't actually care if Marathon fails?They peaked at 6k ccu on steamdb the first day (22 of april) then a steady decline. On 25 of april people where done with this shit and it peaked at 3k, 26 of april 2k and after that they hardly reach 1k and now since 2 days ago they dont. Oh boy, bungo you`ve done fuck up now. And to the 2 guys defending this with some braindead takes(could be trolling too), take thoose takes and shoove them up where the sun dosent shine
It's just one game of many.
Sure
Killjoy-NL
Banned
Lol it's just a hobby. If a game fails, I go play something else.Sure
Imagine if you're truly emotionally invested...
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Yeah but we dont know how much of that content was paid for vs how much these streamers truly wanted to play it
He played Marathon once, with 61k views.
Meanwhile, Arc Raiders streamed 4 times with over 100k views on each video not even counting the one running live right now.
MayauMiao
Member
We can argue Marathon streamers were paid too.
But to believe Arc Raiders devs have the capital to pay many streamers to fight Marathon, a game made by Bungie and owned by megacorp Sony, is a bit of a stretch.
Even if you consider both are paid, the number of viewes itself says a lot.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Oh I know Marathon streamers were paid as well, just saying its hard to tell by content how much was paid and to whom
And yeah views tell the tell, that I 100% agree with
Mibu no ookami
Banned
LOL you can see how bipolar you are right?
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Hey relax dude, someone stole your chocolate or what?
Btw I'm still learning English, but maybe you should have put an S in consoleS in that case.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
No need for comparison, just look at the numbers Marathon is pushing and you'll see they are terrible in themselves. Btw you think Bungie gave what, 10K codes?
Gripsx
Member
10-20k? across xbox ps5 and steam
No need for comparison, just look at the numbers Marathon is pushing and you'll see they are terrible in themselves. Btw you think Bungie gave what, 10K codes?
Crispy Gamer
Member
Yup i have a few friends who didn't get accepted for the alpha including myself so looking at steam numbers is pointless. Bungie's mistake is the same mistake they always make by not showing the complete gameplay loop of their games they like to surprise people and I get it but times have changed and people's attention spans have as well. Arc Raiders grabbed me instantly it's just presented in a much better way. I still have faith in Bungie because Destiny is my most played game ever but currently it's just boring to watch vs ARCH Raiders but I'm still anxious to play it I just think most of my time will be dedicated to AR after really enjoying the tech test.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Guys... guys!!!
Even if you are right (and I really don't think you are but anyway, that does not explain this https://www.neogaf.com/threads/marathon-alpha-impressions.1683364/page-21#post-270384770
Player retention should be a lot better.
Gripsx
Member
Listen I have the Alpha and after leaving my feedback and completing the 2 surveys they sent me, I have no rush to get back into the game cus I will lose everything anyways and theres such limited content available for this demo.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
We will se how much players there is 1 month, 6 month and a year after release then.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I too was interested in player retention at first (which did fall off dramatically in Marathon) but I don't think we can learn anything from numbers since ARC was still sending waves of invites throughout the beta
Plus getting 2 friends codes since I alone have several email accounts it was super easy to daisy chain invites and I was able to generate 10 friends invites including about 4 people here on GAF
All of those people also got 2 friend invites
Just saying we don't know what the player retention for ARC actually was vs a bunch of new players coming in
yurinka
Member
People decided to join this Discord and not the other ones because what this one offered there. This shows people is interested on it.
Same goes with record viewship of the game announcement or gameplay reveal event. This shows there's interest on it.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
Same with the Reddits.
SJRB
Gold Member
Streamers are obligated to let viewers know when they are sponsored to stream games.
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