I'm too damn stubborn to quit. If I don't see it through, I'll start having nightmares about Tony Horton.
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March WrassleGAF |SHOW-T| Big Shoes Mean Big Appetites
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SCENARIO!
You're in charge of the roster in the WWE! You've been handed orders from Vince stating "Goddammit we have too much talent, goddammit! You need to cut 10 wrestlers for us, one of them being a main event talent! We just can't pay them anymore goddammit!"
WHO DO YOU CUT? And why? Do you go for the big payoff and cut midcarders who don't have merchandise? Do you just mop up people who haven't been seen in ages or useful?
You're in charge of the roster in the WWE! You've been handed orders from Vince stating "Goddammit we have too much talent, goddammit! You need to cut 10 wrestlers for us, one of them being a main event talent! We just can't pay them anymore goddammit!"
WHO DO YOU CUT? And why? Do you go for the big payoff and cut midcarders who don't have merchandise? Do you just mop up people who haven't been seen in ages or useful?
You're the greatest living pro wrestling encyclopedia ever. Thanks so much. Do you do anything besides look up wrestling stuff? Haha.
I'm not advocating anyone to quit, just don't feel that guilty if you do.
You can do be healthy without going nuts.
I feel like we are talking football.
I'd start by cutting Randy Orton. Do we really need him at this point? If he doesn't become a heel soon I say boot him. It's a shame because he's till pretty young.
The rest isn't even that hard.
alex riley
hornswaggle
khali
uso1
uso2
jinder mahal
mc guiliticuty
ted dibiease
zak ryder
yoshi tatsu
fire all the divas except the hot ones, and just have them be valets, fluffers
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My 10 to cut list:
JTG
Alex Riley (I see no future in his character, honestly)
Kane (Relax, take the Legends deal)
Fandango (abort this fetus)
Drew McIntyre (I honestly don't think at this point he can be a big draw for a sustainable amount of time that'd make him worth it)
Curt Hawkins (why are you here)
Darren Young (the worst side of the PTP - Titus can do it alone.)
Hornswoggle (the midget drew all he can draw. Ever since no more Finlay, there's been no point.)
Khali
R-Truth (I think it's time)
Main event cut? Big Show. It's been a long and storied career, but if we let him go, he can come back and still work in a capacity for cameos or to beat down heels.
So, these aren't a list of who I think is the worst - but those who I feel have no future that's worth anything. Which is a shame, it really is. Pains me to say Kane and Darren Young in particular, and even R-Truth as I think he has some mileage left, but not compared to the current roster which is BONE THIN.
JTG
Alex Riley (I see no future in his character, honestly)
Kane (Relax, take the Legends deal)
Fandango (abort this fetus)
Drew McIntyre (I honestly don't think at this point he can be a big draw for a sustainable amount of time that'd make him worth it)
Curt Hawkins (why are you here)
Darren Young (the worst side of the PTP - Titus can do it alone.)
Hornswoggle (the midget drew all he can draw. Ever since no more Finlay, there's been no point.)
Khali
R-Truth (I think it's time)
Main event cut? Big Show. It's been a long and storied career, but if we let him go, he can come back and still work in a capacity for cameos or to beat down heels.
So, these aren't a list of who I think is the worst - but those who I feel have no future that's worth anything. Which is a shame, it really is. Pains me to say Kane and Darren Young in particular, and even R-Truth as I think he has some mileage left, but not compared to the current roster which is BONE THIN.
Wow... and they ahve so little starpower already.
But well JTG, Ryder, Sheamus (nothing for him to do anymore), Ryback (just squash him in favor of another monsterheel, nothing special about him) Khali, Riley, Rey Mysterio ( for his own sake), Swagger (for his weed-adventure furing his major push), Kaitlyn (just give up on the diva division and keep only valets), R-truth
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I'm kinda torn between wanting to cut Tyson Kidd though. I think inside all these surgeries he's had, as well as no defining character are enough to cut - but I weigh that against his lineage and skill. I just don't know how long his body will hold up.
I definitely would NOT cut Ryder because he sells a lot of merch, however. Couldn't put Santino on the chopping block either because he sells merch as well.
I definitely would NOT cut Ryder because he sells a lot of merch, however. Couldn't put Santino on the chopping block either because he sells merch as well.
It all comes down to- Do any of these old timers still have gas in them...and are these young guys ever going to amount to anything. At this point I don't know what Tyson kid can do to be even relevant in the mid card.
edit: Should WWE go back and bring back real jobbers. It probbaly be cheaper than these professional ones like Curt Hawkins.
Alex Riley
Yoshi Tatsu
Curt Hawkins
Hornswoggle
Ted Dibiase
Bo Dallas
Alicia Fox
R-Truth (much as it pains me, but he's never gonna get back to that great heel run)
Great Khali
and the big name I'd cut, Rey Mysterio (sorry, you're just past it)
Ryder still moves decent merchandise for a jobber, I'd keep him.
I like that. You'd run a good business.
I can see why WWE wants to keep REY's merch rights.
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I think so. I mean, I'd be ok with keeping some of these guys (like Tatsu, for instance) to simply be enhancement talent. Some people who can't speak well, or had a shot and blew it - you're enhancement talent. Don't try to get yourself over, just get others over. It's a valuable and important spot in wrestling, really it is - being enhancement talent is like the offensive line of football. Rarely thanked, but they do a hell of a lot of good. Just look at Ziggler. Jobber, and boy can he job.
Know your role, and shut your mouth! I like it!
I went to WWE.com to see a list of all their superstars
And kid you not.. took me a second to realize who the WWE champion was...
That said
Main Event Cut- Big Show or Kane. They've done their dues, and have helped a lot of talent. I think an early retirement would help.
Rey- I mean dude is okay and all, but he hasn't been able to remain healthy for the better part of 2 years. And he's pretty banged up, can't really do what he is known for.
Alex Riley- You aren't using him. He doesn't even serve a jobber's role now
Hunico- Still works for the company?
JTG- Surprised he has survived this long
Camacho- Same as the rest
Big Zeke or Mason Ryan- They both serve the same role... which is currently being held by Ryback. Which is the monster face
Khali- Can't move worth a damn. Adds nothing to the product. Not even a joke character anymore
That's all I got for now
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I think Zeke and Ryan should stick around - Ryan because his physique is ridiculous and deserves an honest shot, and Zeke can be a monster as well, and I confess I like him anyhow 
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My concern is his voice. His accent is THICK, so I don't think he's too good on promos, so they need to craft his character around that.
Too bad managers don't matter these days.
I think Zeke and Ryan should stick around - Ryan because his physique is ridiculous and deserves an honest shot, and Zeke can be a monster as well, and I confess I like him anyhow
Sunflower is a HOSS-lover!
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It's true.
Also I think managers could go a long way these days in getting these monsters over. Just look at how amplified Laser's appearances have been due to Heyman.
I did P90x!
It worked wonders. Didn't even do the diet either, don't have the patience for that shit. Though after a while, your body starts rejecting junk food. I couldn't stomach McDonalds at around day 60.
That being said, I did P90 when I was in high school. During the summer. No girlfriend. Only a weekend job. I had way too much time on my hands. It becomes a lot harder with a full time job and girlfriend...
If this is based on "We're 3 weeks from Wrestlemania!"
Rey Mysterio - Dude is old and banged up. I'd let him have one final match at Summerslam though as a one off.
Ezekiel Jackson
Mason Ryan
- These two guys are just, I dunno, there.
Alex Riley - Jobber, no merch
Curt Hawkins - Jobber, no merch
The Great Khali - He's old, can't really do much in the ring.
Hornswoggle - He's served his purpose
Ted Dibiase - Sorry, but it's just not going to work out, you can't live off your father's name.
McGuillicuty - Sorry, but it's just not going to work out, you can't live off your father's name.
Kofi Kingston - This is my "controversial" pick, he gets a pop and everything, but he's... nothing special. I don't see him going anywhere.
no one does the diet. lol.
I've been telling myself I'd get back into doing P90 after work for like, 3 weeks now...
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I still have faith McGillicutty and DiBiase have one more chance to really hit it big. I really do.
I wouldn't cut Orton for nothing. Dude's valuable as hell.
I wouldn't cut Orton for nothing. Dude's valuable as hell.
Not sure if hit it big, but I do think they have a chance to make great, entertaining midcarders.
Which is just as valuable.
HarryDemeanor
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McGillibuddy could make it big in the WWE as the opposite of what his father was.
Mr. Flawed.
Mr. Flawed.
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Banned
HSd no idea Ted was still in the company. He could benefit from distancing himself from his father
Arrowgigantic
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That would be hilarious but I'd feel so bad for him at the same time.
Pretty Damn funny
Mr. Enigma
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Lawler could continually make fun of his receding hairline and talk about how that's not perfect.
I am doing the diet...lol
Protein shakes, protein bars, chicken, beef, asparagus, broccoli, peppers, low fat cheese, etc.
On the bright side, I am learning how to cook.
I also cheat slightly on condiments. No one tell Tony I said that. He will come to my house and get too excited about something. Unless he brings Dreya. Then that would be awesome.
Protein shakes, protein bars, chicken, beef, asparagus, broccoli, peppers, low fat cheese, etc.
On the bright side, I am learning how to cook.
I also cheat slightly on condiments. No one tell Tony I said that. He will come to my house and get too excited about something. Unless he brings Dreya. Then that would be awesome.
FallingEdge
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British Monsoon
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Classic Match of the Day:
Tiger Mask (c) vs Bret Hart - WWF Light Heavyweight Championship - (NJPW 02/05/82)
Not as awe-inspiring as the Tiger/Dynamite matches, but it's interesting to see young Bret work, even if he doesn't quite yet know how to properly engage the crowd. Some nice technical wrestling and watch out for that PERFECT springboard drop-kick near the end. Fun stuff.
I was actually thinking about something like this the other day, say after Mania Vince gives you the book and complete creative control. He wants you to reduce the roster to 50 male wrestlers and up to 10 female wrestlers - you can bring in up to FIVE outside talents to replace some of your cuts - who do you choose, and a month or so down the line how do those 60 wrestlers fit into your plans? My WWE would look like this, with the following wrestlers in contention for the belts;
WWE Title:
John Cena (Champion)
CM Punk
Sheamus
Bryan Danielson
Mark Henry
World Heavyweight Title:
Dolph Ziggler (Champion)
Alberto Del Rio
Jack Swagger
Randy Orton
Ryback
Intercontinental Title:
Dean Ambrose (Champion)
Wade Barrett
KENTA
Antonio Cesaro
Chris Jericho
Kane
Tag Team Titles:
Seth Rollins & Roman Reigns (Champions)
Cody Rhodes & Damien Sandow
Bray Wyatt & Luke Harper
R-Truth & The Miz
Titus O'Neil & Darren Young
Primo & Epico
Jimmy Uso & Jey Uso
Richie Steamboat & Mike Dalton
US Title:
Kassius Ohno (Champion)
Big E Langston
Sami Callihan
Christian
Big Show
William Regal
Drew McIntyre
David Otunga
Cruiserweight Title:
Adrian Neville (Champion)
El Generico
Tyson Kidd
Sin Cara
Evan Bourne
Justin Gabriel
Kofi Kingston
Rey Mysterio
Heath Slater
Kofi Kingston
Divas Title:
AJ Lee (Champion)
Kharma
Kaitlyn
Natalya
Paige
Emma
Tamina
Layla
Cameron
Naomi
The main storylines would be;
. John Cena has reclaimed the WWE Title but, knowing this may be his last title run, keeps ducking CM Punk because he knows he can't beat Punk when the gold is on the line.
. Dolph Ziggler & AJ, with the help of Big E, continue to use nefarious means to keep hold of their respective titles, becoming the true power couple of the WWE.
. The Shield continue to dominate after their Mania victory, capturing the Tag & IC titles. This would eventually lead to a mid-card face stable forming to try and reclaim the power The Shield stole.
. Kassius Ohno goes on a KO streak in the US title division, but Big E has the power to put him down and upstart Sami Callihan may just be too tough for Ohno to handle.
. After a fantastic month-long tournament to crown the new Cruiserweight Champion, Adrian Neville wants to prove he is a fighting champion by defending the title in all manner of multi-man matches and dangerous stipulation matches.
I'm sure giving me the book would be pretty catastrophic and turn away a lot of fans, but fuck it. Everything would have a more sports-orientated presentation with an emphasis on wins and losses and the tale of the tape. Storytelling would be accomplished in the ring through matches and actions, not through rambling promos that go nowhere. Backstage segments would be restricted to guys cutting a promo in front of a camera, or being interviewed by a backstage interviewer. There would be none of this shit where we're supposed to believe guys are just having a natural conversation while a damn camera films them. Also, it would be a rare thing for guys to wrestle outside of their division - a special attraction if you will. Other than the Cruiserweight division (which would be weight restricted), guys would be able to apply to change divisions at will, although they might not find it so easy jumping up a division or two.
Tiger Mask (c) vs Bret Hart - WWF Light Heavyweight Championship - (NJPW 02/05/82)
Not as awe-inspiring as the Tiger/Dynamite matches, but it's interesting to see young Bret work, even if he doesn't quite yet know how to properly engage the crowd. Some nice technical wrestling and watch out for that PERFECT springboard drop-kick near the end. Fun stuff.
I was actually thinking about something like this the other day, say after Mania Vince gives you the book and complete creative control. He wants you to reduce the roster to 50 male wrestlers and up to 10 female wrestlers - you can bring in up to FIVE outside talents to replace some of your cuts - who do you choose, and a month or so down the line how do those 60 wrestlers fit into your plans? My WWE would look like this, with the following wrestlers in contention for the belts;
WWE Title:
John Cena (Champion)
CM Punk
Sheamus
Bryan Danielson
Mark Henry
World Heavyweight Title:
Dolph Ziggler (Champion)
Alberto Del Rio
Jack Swagger
Randy Orton
Ryback
Intercontinental Title:
Dean Ambrose (Champion)
Wade Barrett
KENTA
Antonio Cesaro
Chris Jericho
Kane
Tag Team Titles:
Seth Rollins & Roman Reigns (Champions)
Cody Rhodes & Damien Sandow
Bray Wyatt & Luke Harper
R-Truth & The Miz
Titus O'Neil & Darren Young
Primo & Epico
Jimmy Uso & Jey Uso
Richie Steamboat & Mike Dalton
US Title:
Kassius Ohno (Champion)
Big E Langston
Sami Callihan
Christian
Big Show
William Regal
Drew McIntyre
David Otunga
Cruiserweight Title:
Adrian Neville (Champion)
El Generico
Tyson Kidd
Sin Cara
Evan Bourne
Justin Gabriel
Kofi Kingston
Rey Mysterio
Heath Slater
Kofi Kingston
Divas Title:
AJ Lee (Champion)
Kharma
Kaitlyn
Natalya
Paige
Emma
Tamina
Layla
Cameron
Naomi
The main storylines would be;
. John Cena has reclaimed the WWE Title but, knowing this may be his last title run, keeps ducking CM Punk because he knows he can't beat Punk when the gold is on the line.
. Dolph Ziggler & AJ, with the help of Big E, continue to use nefarious means to keep hold of their respective titles, becoming the true power couple of the WWE.
. The Shield continue to dominate after their Mania victory, capturing the Tag & IC titles. This would eventually lead to a mid-card face stable forming to try and reclaim the power The Shield stole.
. Kassius Ohno goes on a KO streak in the US title division, but Big E has the power to put him down and upstart Sami Callihan may just be too tough for Ohno to handle.
. After a fantastic month-long tournament to crown the new Cruiserweight Champion, Adrian Neville wants to prove he is a fighting champion by defending the title in all manner of multi-man matches and dangerous stipulation matches.
I'm sure giving me the book would be pretty catastrophic and turn away a lot of fans, but fuck it. Everything would have a more sports-orientated presentation with an emphasis on wins and losses and the tale of the tape. Storytelling would be accomplished in the ring through matches and actions, not through rambling promos that go nowhere. Backstage segments would be restricted to guys cutting a promo in front of a camera, or being interviewed by a backstage interviewer. There would be none of this shit where we're supposed to believe guys are just having a natural conversation while a damn camera films them. Also, it would be a rare thing for guys to wrestle outside of their division - a special attraction if you will. Other than the Cruiserweight division (which would be weight restricted), guys would be able to apply to change divisions at will, although they might not find it so easy jumping up a division or two.
Officerrob
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Making cuts has never been easier, because there is so much crap on the roster:
Bo Dallas: There is nothing there. Promos: bad, Look: bad, In-ring: average. Cut ties
Camacho: Nobody cares about him, nothing will change that
Curt Hawkins: Same as Camacho
Jinder Mahal: 3MB would work better as a traditional tag team with a different name. His look doesn't fit and he doesn't bring much else to the table
JTG: Nobody knows how this guy survived cuts the past couple years
R-Truth: Outside of his brief heel turn he's been an awful character. His advanced age (41) makes this cut easy because there is no future for him.
Yoshi Tatsu: Serves no purpose
Ezekial Jackson: One dimensional and there are other guys better than him at that one dimension
The Great Khali: He can't move
Main event talent:
Rey Mysterio: Old and injury prone
Kane: Soon to be 46 and hasn't sold a PPV in years. He'd be much better served to the audience at this point as a once or twice a year surprise character (not Wrestlemania)
*Bonus: Hornswoggle: How the hell does this guy manage to stay employed?
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I would love it if they bought cruserweights back or just made it like the X division where anyone can join
FallingEdge
Member
Which one of you is this, amirite?!
I wish that was me.
One of those people ain't worth $1 Mil.
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Got to get those ring ka king fans
I'd keep El Hijo de Perfecto, but cut Ted immediately. Perfecter has talent and upside. At worst, he's a mid carder who can make other mid carders look good. Ted Jr. just sucks all around. He has negative charisma, LOOKS like a boring human, doesn't look good winning, doesn't make others look good losing. He's as dead of a weight as you can get. He serves less of a purpose than Khali and Hornswoggle. He's also ultra injury prone. Dude has been constantly injured over the past two years.
The only time he's been over was when he was with Orton. He's been completely heatless since Legacy. That was 3 years ago now. Even A-Ri gets a better reaction.
The only time he's been over was when he was with Orton. He's been completely heatless since Legacy. That was 3 years ago now. Even A-Ri gets a better reaction.
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No Austin. Was hoping for some more punk/Austin teasing