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March Wrasslin |OT| Road To WrassleMania
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Net_Wrecker
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So, Scott Steiner and Abyss continue to make the RKK fans flee in terror.
I continue to enjoy it.
I continue to enjoy it.
you're comparing a feud between two guys who were there EVERY week against a feud that has been dormant for over a year.
wwe's got two problems, one, they setup a feud a year in advance, with cena having nothing to do in between besides fight for the wwe title.
two, the feud is with a guy who has been on raw a total of 6 times in 52 weeks(i may be counting this wrong)
not a whole lot you can do with that.
TheNatural
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All those things would add to it, I think it's just the PG mindset has sunk in to the point where nothing backstage or out of the ring can happen to anyone anymore and that's when all the interesting shit happened. You had goofy entertaining stuff like Austin and Booker T brawling in a grocery store, APA getting involved in stupid shit backstage in poker games, Jericho pissing into coffee cups, Big Show jumping on chained up coffins, etc, etc.
I'm just naming off random shit, but everyone was involved in SOMETHING back then . something was always going on in every little feud no matter how fucking goofy it was at least there was some motivation for it. Shit, you had a RAW end with Kai En Tai taking a kendo stick at Val Venis' dick.
No, I'm not saying I want absolutely ridiculous shit like that nowadays, but that fact that shit was going on with every feud made you care and made things interesting. Now, really what are all the feuds being based on so far? Bryan and Sheamus are just kind of there, Sheamus just wanted the World title just because, and they're having a match just because. Triple H and Taker, well Taker wants to beat Triple H because of last year's match where he got beat up and now we'll just talk about it and junk.
Nothing ever goes deeper than face value anymore. You can't get actually hyped about anything because there's no motivation to do so. You get feuds that just happen, just because. Shit, the fucking WWE Title match was technically made on a run of the mill battle royal on a fucking RAW. These are the things used as the basis of feuding nowadays, some interference, a run in or two, and then three weeks of the same shit with taking and then your PPV and do it all over again. It's just bad man.
Officerrob
Banned
There is a shit ton more they can do with it then what they have. The problem is they only seem interested in getting Cena over with the fans and if they have to make the Rock look like an idiot to do so (which won't work anyways), so be it.
BoboBrazil
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Agree wholeheartedly. Seems like things started to go downhill with Steph having greater input on creative and eventually taking over.
UberTag
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I'm sure they had long-term storylines built to logically provide a basis for most of these feuds and get people invested in them but Vince overruled them at the last second.
Because that's what Vince does.
And that's why we're left with nothing more than a bunch of WrestleMania feuds happening "just because". Because that's the reason Vince uses to justify changing his mind. "Just because". Or merchandise sales. Or because a rating dropped in a certain quarter of RAW. Or because something trended on Twitter. Or because a certain wrestler got a crazy pop one night at a PPV that wasn't expected.
"Oh let's run with that", Vince says. Why? Just because. Storytelling is an afterthought. You make your decision and then invent some BS storyline excuse afterwards to justify it. If you bother to do even that.
PG has nothing to do with it. This is what happens when you let outside influences and the delusions of a madman dictate how you run your product instead of letting the product drive itself with naturally evolving stories and angles that are allowed to run their logical course without being undermined.
Evening Musuko
Black Korea
I don't understand half of the promos but Ring Ka King is so simple it just works. More shows should be likeRing Ka King.
Also Scott Steiner for Ring Ka King heavyweight champ.
Vince doesn't care because there's no competition. You can tell they're complacent with being mediocre. They've found a way to make the Rock's comeback mediocre. That shouldn't happen.
Competition breeds excellence, monopoly breeds complacency.
They should create internal competition. Smackdown vs Raw
TheNatural
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Well this stuff started taking a notable downturn when the PG era started, that's why I think it's a PG mentality. No, the content of being PG isn't to blame, great feuds were made all the time in the 80's on what was basically PG-ish cartoon feuding. But I think once they started doing PG stuff, that to them meant strip away all the interesting gimmicks and interesting moments and you're left with vanilla filler for each and every feud because they don't know what to do now.
I'll agree with the Vince stuff, but changing things or the direction of the way things should go really has nothing to do with the depth of the feuds nowadays. Technically, everything going on now is a "long build" but look how thin this shit is. A whole lot of "nothing" feuding going on where nothing is being built that well. Lots of talking and doing nothing with really thin motivation at that in the promoing.
The problem I see with it is they still have the Vince Russo mentality of short matches with long segments in between, without any of the Vince Russo controversy to make those segments any interesting. What made the 80s so great were guys like Macho Man and Ricky Steamboat pulling off thirty minute matches a night, all-the-while giving awesome promos to hype said matches
Kitschkraft
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TheNatural
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It's so unrealistic too, it's not even funny. If someone talked shit about you and then you talked shit back and told them you were going to whoop their ass, and they sit there with this goofy grin on their face laughing you would slap the shit out of them or beat their ass. It's awkward as fuck they refuse to get physical EVEN THOUGH THEY ALREADY FUCKING HAVE BEFORE.
funkystudent
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so HBK is gonna help Triple H at mania right?
I can see the the next night promo where they say it doesnt matter who was better because they where always best when they where a team and as a team they beat the undertaker.
I can see the the next night promo where they say it doesnt matter who was better because they where always best when they where a team and as a team they beat the undertaker.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Undertaker will tombstone them both and then Charles Robinson will run down to the ring and count the 3 for 20-0
It'd be funny if after the match, kevin nash runs down to the ring and him, hunter, michaels, and taker all raise their hands and give each-other wolf kisses
Evening Musuko
Black Korea
So MGS incident part 2? Who's getting buried this time?
Mr. Enigma
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He put him in Walls of Jericho, he make him humble old country way.
funkystudent
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announced for RAW next week, John Cena and The Rock will appear in a rap-off and sing-a-long competition. It is being billed as "The Rock concert and John Cena rap." That should be .......... interesting.
WTF is this company doing. have then hit each other already.
WTF is this company doing. have then hit each other already.
Hit each other!? CRAZY!
Hell, they barely could get twenty minutes of actual wrestling on tonight.
BoboBrazil
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Pretty much.
I can't wait to stop wasting 2 hours every Monday after April 1st.
Instead, I'll be wasting 2 hours watching Raw and Smackdown from 2000 ^_^
Cena has been doing this for years now.
It's disrespectful to the entire god damn concept of professional wrestling.
Could you imagine watching any other TV show or movie with two characters involved in a heated feud, and the one keeps looking to the camera with that smug smirk? All it's missing is a wink, a nod, and a thought bubble that pops up over Cena's heading saying "you know this is fake, right?".
On the one hand, you get The Rock and Kevin Steen talking about kayfabe on Twitter. On the other, you get John Cena pissing all over the very idea of it every Monday night.
It utterly destroys the product when the biggest wrestler in the company can't be bothered to pretend what's going on around him should matter to him.
In short: it's supposed to be real to him, damnit.
sf2fanatic
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fixed...
it will be a 33:27 awesome match with taker giving hugs all around to trips,hbk,paul bearer, and brother love...lol
I hardly think it's disrespectful to wrestling. Aren't you overanalyzing things a bit? Cena's being Cena. His character is pretending like The Rock doesn't phasing him. His actions aren't being disrespectful to the business or something. Give me a break.
bean breath
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The best part of this show was Kyoufu getting bitter about the fucking American Revolution and shutting off his tv to resume watching cricket, sipping tea, and blessing the queen.
DyslexicAlucard
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If this is really an attempt to get Cena over with the male audience, it's fucking hopeless. Like the Rock said earlier last year, we hate Cena because he represents phoniness. He's never genuine, and he never takes anything seriously. He hasn't evolved as either a wrestler or a character for nearly a decade, and until he does, nothing Vince nor creative do will get him "over" with older males. Period.
It's not so much that he's intimating that it's fake; it's that he's essentially no-selling any threat or seriousness his opponent is trying to bring. Really, if he was GOOD at being a babyface, he'd try his damndest to look like the underdog and at least respect the chance that this person is a threat. As-is, he just laughs the whole time, makes dumb jokes so 8-year-olds can laugh, and then either comes back after being beaten for 90% of the match or gets cheated out of a win. Formulaic almost doesn't begin to describe it.
British Monsoon
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Eh, I think I'm done until WrestleMania - I'm sick of this build and nothing they do at this point is going to get me in any way invested in Rock vs Cena, because they're going to do nothing other than this lame back and forth that's been going on for weeks and months and, hell, a whole damn year. Fuck this piss-poor excuse for a 'feud'.
Changing tack, I finally got around to watching Okada vs Naito from the NJPW PPV and enjoyed it a hell of a lot more than I expected, probably Okada's best match to date - check it out;
Kazuchika Okada (c) vs Tetsuya Naito - (NJPW 03/04/12)
Also, here's a fun tag match from DDT last month;
HARASHIMA & El Generico vs Kenny Omega & Kudo - (DDT 02/19/12)
Changing tack, I finally got around to watching Okada vs Naito from the NJPW PPV and enjoyed it a hell of a lot more than I expected, probably Okada's best match to date - check it out;
Kazuchika Okada (c) vs Tetsuya Naito - (NJPW 03/04/12)
Also, here's a fun tag match from DDT last month;
HARASHIMA & El Generico vs Kenny Omega & Kudo - (DDT 02/19/12)
Liquidsnake
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I am truly, and I mean truly proud that most of you see the bullshit WWE is trying to pull with Rock vs Cena. You guys make me proud to be a part of this thread.
cmon liquid, i dont think theres a poster on gaf that doesnt see through this.
Really enjoyed the tag match. Omega sells like a champ.
thanks for the links, as always.
BoboBrazil
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Don't know if it was posted before here but here is Antonio Cesaro vs Kassius Ohno vs Bo Rotundo fan cam from one of the FCW live events on 3/2/12:
http://youtu.be/pcNL7vk6GZs
http://youtu.be/pcNL7vk6GZs
The really sad thing is, we got a very very small hint of this with the Eve trash talk. That shit was entertaining (and I don't mean the name calling). No doubt that is all Vince would allow Cena to break his "Rise Above Hate" bs goody too shoes gimmick.
And the above is why we won't see Rock go full heel on Cena. If Rock went full heel, he would completely overshadow Cena... we all know this cannot EVER happen
Liquidsnake
Banned
It's just reassuring to know that we are all smarter than the WWE thinks. I don't they care what the reaction is once we get to WM, but. They want to make sure that leading up to it its is split 50/50.
I will order WM just to see this all blow up in their face.
They have handled this feud about as badly as they could have. It's borderline disgusting. For a match of this magnitude to be basin it on school yard insults and careful postering.
God it's Ludacris. They handcuffed the Rock, and turned Cena into an even more dispicable jerk with his constant smiling and joking. Like he's having a good time and doesn't take this serious.
Rock tries to make it business but Cena just laughs. It's dumb.
Mr. Luchador
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I'm an expert in the American Revolution now - THANK YOU, MONDAY NIGHT RAW!
Nemesis121
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Rock/Cena=boring, so far this WM is looking like pure shit....
The Promo Match
The old man's undefeated streak match...
Their 2 selling points are shit....
The Promo Match
The old man's undefeated streak match...
Their 2 selling points are shit....
Nocturnowl
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After watching Raw i'm beginning to get more hyped for Rhodes/Show and Orton/Kane than Rock/Cena.
Rock's history lessons were enjoyable, especially the first but that final segment in the ring was just dreck, Cena's constant smirking was too much, it felt like The Rock was a stern parent trying to tell some kid (Cena) to stop messing around and listen to no avail.
Rock: "Hey look at me Cena, i'm talking to you!"
Cena: huuur, HUUUUUR *turns away, breaks out goofy grin*
But enough about that, we all know how poorly it's being handled.
Now how about that Swagger? he had one hell of a US title reign, almost as good as Ryder's run with the belt.
Rock's history lessons were enjoyable, especially the first but that final segment in the ring was just dreck, Cena's constant smirking was too much, it felt like The Rock was a stern parent trying to tell some kid (Cena) to stop messing around and listen to no avail.
Rock: "Hey look at me Cena, i'm talking to you!"
Cena: huuur, HUUUUUR *turns away, breaks out goofy grin*
But enough about that, we all know how poorly it's being handled.
Now how about that Swagger? he had one hell of a US title reign, almost as good as Ryder's run with the belt.
Jeff Albertson
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The Rock / Cena is still dull but the Rocks first two promos were classic Rock
This is going to be a dirty finish isn't it and go on till next year.
This is going to be a dirty finish isn't it and go on till next year.
Buckethead
Banned
Haha
HBK is the special guest ref now?
They might as well rename it to the "we're trying everything to make this one exciting" match.
HBK is the special guest ref now?
They might as well rename it to the "we're trying everything to make this one exciting" match.
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