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March Wrasslin' |OT| The NXT Era Has ArRIVED
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kevo_huevo
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does ric flair count, even though he wears knee pads on his shins?
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
It will be amazing if Willow and Juff Harvey wrestle as seperate people and Juff denies that he is Willow.
Pristine_Condition
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His look is the best thing about him.
But seriously, when you've seen a guy in the scene so long, you expect to see him steadily improve. Graves has either not improved in the last 4-5 years or so, or is doing it at such a glacial pace at this point you can't notice.
John Cena is one of those baffling cases too. Like, how can you do that STF so wrong for so long? Great. Valid. But you can't say that about his whole game. For what he's lacked and still lacks in areas we hate, (to everyone's infinite frustration,) you can't say he's stayed stagnant in other areas. Even the harshest critics have to recognize the huge strides he's made in areas like understanding his opponent and calling matches in the ring that work for that opponent and promo psychology.
For Graves, "improvement" is getting a new tattoo or some new ring gear. At least that seems to be what it's been since he's been in the WWE system.
Lambda Pie
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Shadowlink
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Fave 5:
1.) Daniel Bryan
2.) Cesaro
3.) Sami Zayn
4.) The Shield
5) The Wyatts
1.) Daniel Bryan
2.) Cesaro
3.) Sami Zayn
4.) The Shield
5) The Wyatts
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Graves doesn't live up to his nearly perfect look. His gimmick is spot on for him, but once he wrestles or talks a lot, the spell is broken. He's so totally average.
kevo_huevo
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nah, baby, you gotta wear these:
lol just throwing it out there.
also, is there a consensus fave five for small (YES I SAID SMALL) wrestlers that wear lifts in their boots?
1. chris jericho
2.
3.
4.
5.
???
Pristine_Condition
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OK. I've done that. I've given reasons.
Then why don't you give some reasons, other than his look, why the hell you enjoy the work of Corey Graves, pro wrestler?
I can't wait to hear specifically what you think he does well besides getting haircuts and tattoos and posing.
RVD?
FlammableD
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He's not the best worker in the world, that would be ridiculous, but he's solid mid card talent, especially as a whole package. And in terms of quality, what high profile matches has he had to prove that? A few with Neville, and one with Zayn, and I enjoyed all of those.
In terms of his current matches, I don't see what he does so terribly. Hell, I even love the chopblock. It's a perfect setup to his actual finisher.
I hope Corey Graves Guy isn't my gimmick now...
What's frustrating to me about Cena, and something that became very clear while having to watch WM29 again, is how he carries himself when trying to do "epic" matches. It's horrific. You watch him sizing Rock up for kicks, or trying to show that he is bothered by the crowd and it looks so, so bad. But then you see him do stuff with Punk/Cesaro/Bryan where he's definitely holding up his end and they're great matches. I can't figure out how he can be so bad against Rock (and not because of Rock, just the shit he's doing on his own without Rock being involved), but so good against other guys. And he does that a lot. So much so that it feels like not only is he half assing most of the time, but actually trying to be bad.
I get the Hogan route of doing less gets the same reaction, but sometimes Cena looks like a guy pretending to be a joke wrestler. It's so weird and so frustrating.
I get the Hogan route of doing less gets the same reaction, but sometimes Cena looks like a guy pretending to be a joke wrestler. It's so weird and so frustrating.
Uno Venova
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Lance Storm.
Perspicacity
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Why is it unfair to talk about Corey Graves not being a great worker FlammableGraves? He's in a developmental system with the highest concentration of the best workers and trainers in the world (well in N.A. at least).
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I like Corey Graves and he has a fantastic look.
Perspicacity
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Yeah well you like soul patches.
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
Run Hemme run!
Creepy bah-sterd
Creepy bah-sterd
British Monsoon
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Corey Graves was on the indies for so long (as Sterling James Keenan) and was always a guy other wrestlers said was very talented and people kept expecting him to have that one breakout performance that cemented him as a real name on the indies, but it never really happened for him. Every chance he got in ROH or any of the other big indies (building on the reputation of the trilogy of matches he had with CM Punk in IWC), he pretty much choked and I was fairly surprised when WWE hired him. He does have a good look though and, it's not like being kinda dull in the ring is much of a problem in WWE, so perhaps he'll do well.
And little tummy tattoos.
Pristine_Condition
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It's interesting you bring up Hogan in that post, stro, because I think it sorta gets to the root of the problem you see with Cena. I see that too. In spite of all the "can John Cena possibly overcome these odds?" scenarios the booking likes to place him in, the matches where he actually has to get a single guy over as a bigger, badder, overpowering threat are usually his worst matches. The matches with "up-and-comers" or "scrappy guy that won't quit" (Punk/Bryan/Cesaro, ect) seem to be his better matches. It's an unusual problem to have, especially when you have to be the company babyface.
It also helps that the scrappy guys that wont quit are also much better workers than Cena is.
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
Alpha Female is so dope
Her and Sabin are so key-ute!
Her and Sabin are so key-ute!
Mr. Luchador
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Was he or was there a ref called that?
British Monsoon
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No idea if there was a ref called that, but here's a picture of Graves as Sterling James Keenan;
I much prefer his look these days. Still looks like a mug, though.
I don't think that is always the case. The stuff in Rock/Cena 2 that looked so bad were things Cena was doing on his own. Things that didn't involve Rock whatsoever. And stuff he doesn't do in matches against Punk/Cesaro/Bryan. I really think he was intentionally bad in Twice in a Lifetime.
Graves was pretty damn over in NXT at first but he just hasn't been able to maintain the fans interest because of his average ring/mic skills. He just never seems to be able to kick it up a notch.
If he splits peoples opinions it's because it comes down to people who've watched him a couple of times and people who've watched him consistently for a few months.
And Sabin is very protective of her. You can see the love in the air.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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Corey Graves is ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag.
And that's all I gotta say about that.
And that's all I gotta say about that.
avengers23
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Putting at least two matches on a show at the mercy of Jeff Hardy's sobriety sounds insane. Expecting Hardy to be sober for even one match is already ridiculous.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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Exactly.
avengers23
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He reminds me of Shannon Moore.
I don't know who should feel more insulted by this comparison.
slightconfuse
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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It's 2014, bro.
serenewarfare
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I think Graves is good. I think his promo last night was decent enough, as was his match. He's not on the level of Zayn or anyone like that, but not everyone is.
FlammableD
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Where did I say it was unfair? And yes, NXT has an incredible talent pool, but not everyone has to have 5* matches to have a useful place on the roster. Work rate is important, but it's not the be all and end all.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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It'd be nice if he had anything else, then. I think you're under the spell of how attractive he is.
Shoaddy has it 100% right:
Nocturnowl
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serenewarfare
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Well we got what would eventually become Twitter Ryback which is a positive. I think.
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
Just finished Impact and it was entertaining as fuck. Impact has been better than Raw for a while now and I am excited for Lockdown.
Dat photoshop
World Heavyweight Championship
-Magnus (c) vs. Samoa Joe
Lethal Lockdown
-MVP, The Wolves & Jeff Hardy vs. Bobby Roode, Austin Aries & The BroMans
Knockouts Championship
-Madison Rayne (c) vs. Gail Kim
-Bad Influence & Chris Sabin vs. The Great Muta, Sanada & Tigre Uno
-Gunner vs. James Storm
-Kurt Angle vs. Ethan Carter III
-Mr. Anderson vs. Samuel Shaw
Dat photoshop
World Heavyweight Championship
-Magnus (c) vs. Samoa Joe
Lethal Lockdown
-MVP, The Wolves & Jeff Hardy vs. Bobby Roode, Austin Aries & The BroMans
Knockouts Championship
-Madison Rayne (c) vs. Gail Kim
-Bad Influence & Chris Sabin vs. The Great Muta, Sanada & Tigre Uno
-Gunner vs. James Storm
-Kurt Angle vs. Ethan Carter III
-Mr. Anderson vs. Samuel Shaw
Just finished Impact and it was entertaining as fuck. Impact has been better than Raw for a while now and I am excited for Lockdown.
Dat photoshop
World Heavyweight Championship
-Magnus (c) vs. Samoa Joe
Lethal Lockdown
-MVP, The Wolves & Jeff Hardy vs. Bobby Roode, Austin Aries & The BroMans
Knockouts Championship
-Madison Rayne (c) vs. Gail Kim
-Bad Influence & Chris Sabin vs. The Great Muta, Sanada & Tigre Uno
-Gunner vs. James Storm
-Kurt Angle vs. Ethan Carter III
-Mr. Anderson vs. Samuel Shaw
And other than trying to force Fandangoing when it would have lasted longer if they kept it naturally, the character is probably in the right spot on the card.
hey everyone
one more month until the biggest night in THIS BUSINESS
Amazing to me that the hideous facade of
The Raw after Mania should have been held in Prudential Center.
FlammableD
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Kaitlyn's more my type.
I wonder when she's coming back 😒
I wonder when she's coming back 😒
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