The infinite reliance on Cena and the lack of building new talent. Everytime someone showed promise, they were fed to Cena in a 4 minute squash.
Plus there was a period in WWE that was nothing but HHH, Cena, Orton and Batista fighting eachother.
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March Wrasslin' |OT2| The Road To Raw After Wrestlemania XXX has begun....
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The infinite reliance on Cena and the lack of building new talent. Everytime someone showed promise, they were fed to Cena in a 4 minute squash.
Plus there was a period in WWE that was nothing but HHH, Cena, Orton and Batista fighting eachother.
I recall HHH saying his match with Orton was a misfire, and they put the match together all wrong. It should have been a violent brawl, but they hamstrung it with the DQ stipulation and the match ended up blowing as a result.
And yeah, he mentioned Vince got sick of the match at one point and walked off from gorilla position.
Macho Madness
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Which is weird, because as I understand it Cena loves it when someone can get there and comes close to his level. It's not his fault that he's been WWE's "easy button" for so many years.
El Pescado
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How could you leave out the fact that he hits a very wimpy Cesaro Swing after the match? He only gets like two rotations. Some Total Package.
I think a problem when Punk shook up the place in 2011 was there wasn't really many to actually come up and be given a chance. Bryan was there in the mid card, his journey to the top ended up being separate from Punk's and very long indeed. Dolph wasn't ready at that time, and the undercard was awful. Remember how bad the 2011 Royal Rumble was, even with 40 men?
So yeah, then we got locked back into Cena Land in 2012-2013, because we had the two WMs with the Rock and that's all they really cared about. We seem to be moving away from Cena again in 2014, but this time they have a much stronger roster, especially of new talent. Bryan is on fire and close to the top, you've got the Shield, the Wyatt Family, Cesaro, tons of guys down in NXT, etc.
The crowd are also way more rebellious now than they were in 2011. So we'll see how the landscape changes in 2014.
So yeah, then we got locked back into Cena Land in 2012-2013, because we had the two WMs with the Rock and that's all they really cared about. We seem to be moving away from Cena again in 2014, but this time they have a much stronger roster, especially of new talent. Bryan is on fire and close to the top, you've got the Shield, the Wyatt Family, Cesaro, tons of guys down in NXT, etc.
The crowd are also way more rebellious now than they were in 2011. So we'll see how the landscape changes in 2014.
Macho Madness
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This year's Wrestlemania Diary will be Daniel Bryan.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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Yup, they even retconned Daniel Bryan out of existence.
Triple H has had that problem with his WrestleMania matches not with Undertaker. His matches with Orton, Jericho and Brock have all been overshadowed. The Orton match problem was the stipulation killed the match. It was a blood feud match that should of been no dq. Instead they put the stipulation that if Triple H was dq'ed he would lose.
Also, Jericho returns have given us great gifs like this:
Yeah for a guy who has main evented.. what 5-6 Manias, I don't think he has really had a Mania moment yet.
Dr Duncan Steel
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Oh god pls don't say that. He could win it all in 8 days AHHHHH my hairs falling off typing this.
Hey guys, remember when Cena elevated Sandow in defeat? Remember?!
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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The mark is strong in this one.
Laser, can you draw Bret Hart in the ICOPRO ads?
I can always try.
And it's going to be harder for him to earn one when he keeps forcing each match down our throat as the greatest match that ever happened.
Look at what happened at the end of Summerslam vs Brock. I think that was the first time he finally realized his actual place in WWE history. He does not get the respect that guys like HBK and Taker get.
HHH and Cena are pretty much the most heavily propped up "top guys" in wrestling history so it's no surprise.
I think after maybe 5 attempts to get that moment, maybe you should take the hint!
You're right. Penguin should totally take the hint that HHH needs ONE MORE (MATCH) MOMENT!
Sir_Crocodile
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But if that's true, why does he go on to bury them on the mic
he even did it to bray a couple of weeks ago, before I guess someone told him "Uh, most our mania card sucks so we actually need people to be interested in this match", and he went rather abruptly into over the top fear mode with "I CAN'T BEAT THIS GUY WHO I NEVER FOUGHT BEFORE MAN".
Idk, he was enjoyable before he went to the WWF. And his match with Mr. Perfect was pretty good. But after that, in ring I'd agree, but I really enjoyed the angle where he and Sting were friends when heel and face. He had some good matches with Flair in the 80s and Steiners vs Sting/Lex was dope.
bean breath
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Jericho's a Cruiser Weight. Who cares if he has a Wrestlemania moment or not. He's lucky he got as far as he did.
bean breath
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Christian is capitalized, infidel.
The Narcissist admiring striations in a mirror was brilliant.
A few posters in this thread have said it already but I'm shocked Cena hasn't gone to the well yet and flat out said to Wyatt: "...hey man, you lookin' a bit 'husky', tonight."
Doesn't matter if you look at Bray reactions recently he is going to be the 2nd biggest babyface next to Bryan at WrestleMania.
If only Willow were in the WWE. He'd be over huge right now.
FallingEdge
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Well, he was WWE before they released him. I always thought he was better than Curtis but they both worked well together. Made me laugh.
bean breath
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I think EC3 might be on P.E.D.'s.
HarryDemeanor
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They couldn't get a head turning shot for Stephanie? Looks like she just smelled something funky behind Trips.
Dammit, now I can't stop laughing. lol
Also, the pic they used for Steph is so goofy.
bean breath
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I cancelled my free trial.
I think paying for the Network is cheaper than when your ISP cracks down on illegally watching a PPV.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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Can't you be a heel who is over?
I mean, the audience is not uniform, let me put this philosophical question to you: isn't the status of someone as a face or as a heel relative to the particular fan who cheers or not for him?
Btw, yo, NeoGAF, recommend me a PPV to watch on the Network! Do it now! Only stuff you really like, please!
bean breath
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I don't have a device to play it on my TV.
The thought of watching Wrestlemania on my phone, inside my car, parked in a McDonald's parking lot, leeching off their wifi, sounds appealing just because it pairs so nicely with the subject matter but alas...
Can't you be a heel who is over?
I mean, the audience is not uniform, let me put this philosophical question to you: isn't the status of someone as a face or as a heel relative to the particular fan who cheers or not for him?
Btw, yo, NeoGAF, recommend me a PPV to watch on the Network! Do it now! Only stuff you really like, please!
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