-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
March Wrasslin' |OT2| The Rollercoaster to WrestleMania XXXIII!
- Thread starter Bluekaveli
- Start date
This is why I quietly have started to believe that the New Generation era might be one of the best eras of WWE ever. Despite there being some pretty cartoony gimmicks there was still the "it's pretending to be a sport" suspension of disbelief in place. You had more advanced movesets than the 80s but didn't have the over the top move sets we have now. The ridiculous Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior bullshit was gone and we had yet to escalate to the Attitude Era level ridiculousness.
Bret Hart's influence is pretty strongly felt in that era.
Yes the desperation move! The true final form.
Match finishes are extremely important in pro wrestling. It's the thing that people remember the most and leaves the biggest impression.
Which puts protecting finishing moves pretty high up on the list.
Why is he hard to follow though? Is he a hard act to follow? Is he hard to follow because you can't understand him? Why?
AJ's shirts have slowly become worse
97, which was the end of New Gen and the beginnings of Attitude Era, is hands down the best era in WWF/WWE for overall product quality. It saved the company.
It sucks that Vince didn't hold onto the lessons learned from that time period.
I'd expand it a little from about 1995 to 1998. That entire timespan and was great, especially once Austin becomes Austin.
Austin vs Bret is still the best rivalry ever.
Omega might be the one to avoid all rainmaker attempts and actually finally hit the One Winged Angel and capture his gold.
I get that they're going for him being a hard act to follow, but it's not specified, and hard to follow can mean multiple things.
It's not you it's them.
slightconfuse
Banned
Wresters getting a new finisher because the old one doesn't work anymore is a great story that in surprised no one has used it
British Monsoon
Member
I just can't wait for Kenny to hit the One Winged Angel on Okada, tbh - they've built it up so well with the WK11 match, that move's a title winner.
Here's a GIF of Buzz Sawyer murdering some poor fool with a suplex;
Here's a GIF of Buzz Sawyer murdering some poor fool with a suplex;
SallyIsNow
Banned
Getting those RAM colors ready.
TarpitCarnivore
Member
YESSSSSSS.....Come to the dark side with Blue and myself.
93-97 is the best period of wrestling for WWE/WCW. It's filled with some bullshit (The Mummy, The Goon), but you're literally watching the world of wrestling transform. It's the easiest period, IMO, to see this going on.
Only reason I don't include 98, IMO the true start of the Attitude Era, is because its filled with so much Russo and it's pretty painful to enjoy.
So much of the match is about suspense and "will the match end here" and so much of that is tied to finishers. When you see finishers used every 3 minutes you begin to lose the suspense.
Austin's rise in popularity by being an anti-hero who showed up and kicked the shit out everyone's Saturday morning cartoon characters was expertly done. You could just look at him and tell he was hungry to make a name for himself. And Bret's slow transition from ultimate babyface to justifiably pissed off heel is the best heel turn ever done, in my opinion. The best thing about Bret's heel turn was that it completely made sense, you could understand why he had enough of this shit
As much as everyone talks about Vince being the ultimate nemesis for Austin, Bret felt like he was a more perfect foil for Austin since they were opposite sides of the same coin.
As much as everyone talks about Vince being the ultimate nemesis for Austin, Bret felt like he was a more perfect foil for Austin since they were opposite sides of the same coin.
avengers23
Banned
Okada hits at least 3 Rainmakers a match.
Takahashi hits 5000 High Fly Flows a match.
Nakamura hit 1 million Bom-a-yes a match.
The only protected finisher is the One Winged Angel.
Then combine Austin / Shitman with Austin / DX / Tyson and you have some of the best wrasslin' angles you can come across. I love how they slow burned Austin / McMahon during the Tyson stuff too.
I hope
Jeff's theme was so garbo when he returned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWvrGdkf50Y
Prime Lawler here : "What music is that?". Man, JR and Lawler sound like they don't give a shit lmao
HazySaiyan
Banned
Man, how long are they looking at keeping the title on Okada for? I certainly don't see Shibata winning it, and then what do you do?
Austin/Vince was a remarkably long slow burn. They started setting that up since before the Montreal Screwjob even happened. Honestly in hindsight the actual Austin/DX/Tyson thing feels a tad overrated mostly because Austin carries the entire feud since HBK is hurt and acting like a petulant little shit the entire time because he can't accept that his time is up. I wish Montreal didn't happen so we could have gotten the third and final Austin/Bret match at WM14
OMEGA vs Okada 2 either at Dominion or G1 USA.
I don't consider WrestleMania 9 New Generation era, honestly. I think the New Generation properly started the moment Hogan was gone.
When Austin got hurt at Summerslam and they continued to push him, feature him and let him stay hot was the smartest thing Vince has ever done.
They never missed a beat with him, and the fact Austin could carry himself so fucking well with presence and promos totally made something that would kill any other career an almost non entity.
They never missed a beat with him, and the fact Austin could carry himself so fucking well with presence and promos totally made something that would kill any other career an almost non entity.
BewareTheBatsie
Member
To be fair I don't think anyone's kicked out of the Red Arrow on the main roster either. It's treated as super strong. It's arguably the strongest finisher currently going around WWE.
HazySaiyan
Banned
And how do you get Omega straight back into the title picture?
And it's a scenario that wouldn't happen at any other point in time either. Austin in all honesty should have been sidelined and possibly retired after that injury. But Austin was hungry as fuck and Vince was desperate because WCW was eating away at him
Challenges him for the belt after Okada beats Shibata.
slightconfuse
Banned
Him a year was like a street fighter Ultra.
Okada will finish shibata with one rainmaker
slightconfuse
Banned
The best way to get Omega back in the title picture would be to turn the Elite face and have omega run through all of Chaos leading up to the Dominion Show or one of the G1 USA shows
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Seph's fave wrestler is mantaur confirmed
TarpitCarnivore
Member
This is why I say when you take New Gen as a whole it's the best period of wrestling. You see the whole thing transform year over year.
HazySaiyan
Banned
Yeah see NJPW are doing this way too much, the whole 'I want a title shot' and then just getting one doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
British Monsoon
Member
I'd do it like this: Omega attacks Okada post-match at Sakura Genesis, then probably gets a pin on him during a Road to Dontaku show. Omega beats Okada for the belt at Dontaku (with help from the Elite, or Bullet Club if the Bucks are still out of the picture at that point), then Okada gets his rematch at the G1 USA shows. Omega loses the belt to Okada, blames Bullet Club, Fale & Tonga turn on him and kick The Elite out of the club. Okada enters G1 as champion, Omega & The Bucks turn face and Naito wins the G1 to face Okada at WK12.
The New Generation era and the transition into the Attitude Era also is when the entire rise of Mankind happened and you get to witness Undertaker and Mick Foley simultaneously saving each other's careers, plus at the tail end you see Kane debut.
95-98 is probably the best chunk of storylines Undertaker ever got in his career
95-98 is probably the best chunk of storylines Undertaker ever got in his career
Roland_Gunner
Member
I think its:
Shibata beats Okada at Sakura Genisis
Omega wins the title at G1 USA
Omega / Okada 2 at WK12
slightconfuse
Banned
I think the they will put the belt on Omega for the USA show and have him vs Naito at WK.
Give okada the IC belt and have him face Big Mike at WK
Give okada the IC belt and have him face Big Mike at WK
HazySaiyan
Banned
I want Omega to have a decent title run though, we can get Ishii/Omega 2 out of that as well.
There's no way in hell that's happening
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Meltz originally though Dominion, but mentioned Long Beach might be good if they're serious about the expansion plans.
British Monsoon
Member
It's safest not to expect a decent run for someone's first time with the IWGP title, tbh
Naito, 70 days
Styles, 163 days
Okada, 125 days
Makabe, 161 days
Nakanishi, 45 days
Naito, 70 days
Styles, 163 days
Okada, 125 days
Makabe, 161 days
Nakanishi, 45 days
BewareTheBatsie
Member
While the matches were pretty bad, the Kane and Undertaker feud of the late 90's was awesome. Kane's amazing debut, Taker trapped in the coffin set on fire only for him to not be in there when it opened, Taker's refusal to fight his own brother over and over again until he finally had to do it.