Bluekaveli
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Miz should be holding the title and breaking JBL's record.
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March Wrasslin' |OT2| The Rollercoaster to WrestleMania XXXIII!
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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A Candid Q&A With John Cena: WWE's Polarizing Company Man
http://www.complex.com/sports/2016/04/john-cena-interview
Can you guys name moments in the last year we were supposed to like Roman Reigns if we already hated him? Now how many moments can you name where it seemed like him and his character were antagonizing you as his fans cheered harder?
We saw the 2016 election: no one agrees on anything, and using that to fuel emotions is way over now.
http://www.complex.com/sports/2016/04/john-cena-interview
It's really this simple.
Can you guys name moments in the last year we were supposed to like Roman Reigns if we already hated him? Now how many moments can you name where it seemed like him and his character were antagonizing you as his fans cheered harder?
We saw the 2016 election: no one agrees on anything, and using that to fuel emotions is way over now.
Did you cry?
WWE will never be able to find a massive generation-defining face that can get entire arenas chanting for them! Fans don't do that anymore!
Oh wait a minute
That Daniel Bryan GIF is something else, man. It's on a different level.
Can't wait to see the NJPW crowd do the yes chant at the g1 28 finals.WWE will never be able to find a massive generation-defining face that can get entire arenas chanting for them! Fans don't do that anymore!
Oh wait a minute
SomewhatGroovy
Banned
Daniel Bryan and CM Punk main eventing a WrestleMania would have been quite the thing.
I don't need steroids to kick your ass, brother.
Brian_FETO
Banned
If you think about it, they actually weren't "over", you just thought they were because the fans cheered them!WWE will never be able to find a massive generation-defining face that can get entire arenas chanting for them! Fans don't do that anymore!
Oh wait a minute
That's the beauty of it! Literally everyone wins! People just don't get it!
HazySaiyan
Banned
I saw Roman Reigns at a grocery store in Tampa yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didnt want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, Oh, like youre doing now?
I was taken aback, and all I could say was Huh? but he kept cutting me off and going huh? huh? huh? and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like Sir, you need to pay for those first. At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually to prevent any electrical infetterence, ahhyessir, and then turned around and winked at me. I dont even think thats a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by shouting "ooh-ahh!" really loudly.
He said, Oh, like youre doing now?
I was taken aback, and all I could say was Huh? but he kept cutting me off and going huh? huh? huh? and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like Sir, you need to pay for those first. At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually to prevent any electrical infetterence, ahhyessir, and then turned around and winked at me. I dont even think thats a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by shouting "ooh-ahh!" really loudly.
No way. Are you familiar with Kazantzakis's heroic interpretation of Judas? I had to kill WCW so it could return to save us all one day. I've done good. I'm a face, brother.
WWE will never be able to find a massive generation-defining face that can get entire arenas chanting for them! Fans don't do that anymore!
Oh wait a minute
inb4:
but they didn't make ratings go up instantly
but they didn't increase ppv buyrate/network subs
but they didn't sell enough merch/get loud enough house show reactions from 980 fans in Dickblood, Louisiana
but that was just one night/handful of nights with hardcore fans not representative of the real fanbase
Ok I think that's all of them.
weird how one of them is disgusted of wrestling for life because of Vince and the other is injured for life because of Vince... and they both needed months of protesting + a lot of luck, injuries and other external elements to convince Vince to give them something good
what if
bare with me here
what if there were plenty of others like those who never made it because the luck wasn't on their side the way it did for Bryan and Punk? 2 in 7 years sounds like a really UNLIKELY average at bat
That made me imagine something like Old Yeller.
Some of us just judge what's being presented to our eyeballs and eardrums I guess. You're more than free to buy into carney bullshit reasoning that people in the business been doing for 60 years.
HashtagLapsed
Member
Im sorry dude its nearly 5 am here and I need to sleep.
Im not buying it at all. If its a work that makes them no money they are idiots. And I still dont buy it.
WWE would fucking love it if everyone was behind Reigns and loved him.
What the fuck is this?
Bluekaveli
Member
All I wanted was an iron man match between them at 30 for the title.
Man Cena really went on on Maryse with that Botox dig, but Miz and Maryse have hit HARD. I just figure Miz doens't give a fuck because he going to get squashed so he might as well go all out. Get those hits in now because you won't be doing shit in the match.
Or Maybe Cena and Miz are really, really good friends!
Or Maybe Cena and Miz are really, really good friends!
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
First: this isn't possible with him. He's odious on the mic. He could fuck everyone's girlfriend. You can't generate a pure babyface out of this, as we all are well aware since 2014.
Second: when has the WWE ever said they would prefer everyone to cheer? I don't know where you guys get this idea. All they've ever said is they want noise.
Like it or not, John Cena and Roman Reigns can do anything they want, and they will get the biggest reaction every night, because people already know if they love or hate them. It's awesome. It's like sports rivalries instead of Disney, finally. Another guy who could do this that's completely different than them and changed wrestling in his short era? Kurt Angle.
Being in touch.
you forgot one: Bryan wasn't over, the YES chant was
Shut up Stephanie.
BewareTheBatsie
Member
Are those New Day themed WWE Tag belts?I love the WWE Superstore they open up at Mania
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
Yeah yeah yeah... but did CM Punk or Daniel Bryan appeal to these folk?
I think so. They always have awesome exclusives.
I love the WWE Superstore they open up at Mania
If Triple H wants another reddit fruit basket, he'll drop by and recreate the picture.
I don't know, Reigns' was actually pretty likable in some back stage stuff and regular interviews. I honestly believe that if they gave him a character he identified with, he would actually do great. I've always assumed the problem with his promos is the scripted stuff and restraints.
I remember reading he got yelled at back stage for sitting on a steel chair before attacking his opponent with it. It's impossible to show character in such environment and it's impossible to get actually over without a character.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
It's fun to me how the people who think they're smarter than wrestling just straight up tell the world they're malleable and mercurial enough to become a Roman fan if WWE would just go back to an old turn idea and use it on a person who doesn't have anywhere near the talking ability of the Rock. We're that easy: "just give me what I think I want and I'll do what you dictate this time!"
Bluekaveli
Member
Wait.... New day beltsI love the WWE Superstore they open up at Mania
Brian_FETO
Banned
Hey genius,
Last year building to Wrestlemania you had Triple H beat down Roman until he "bled" with the audience on their feet cheering. Then the next week he came out and cut a promo on the crowd about how they relate to Roman Reigns and that's why they cheer for him. While the crowd booed Roman Reigns.
The night after Wrestlemania they had commentary go up front before anything saying "this crowd boos people they normally cheer for, and cheer for people they normally boo! It's so much fun!" When Roman comes out we are once again reminded that "they're booing people they normally cheer, but everyone here is having fun, and we love that"
No one even acknowledged the boos on TV until his suspension
All recaps are recut to only show supporters to build him as a babyface
Don't be a mark
Remember that one time during the John Cena vs Bray Wyatt feud where the announce team tried to say that Bray Wyatt had brainwashed the crowd into supporting him because otherwise they'd be 100% for John Cena?
Yeah, that happened. They tried to turn the crowd heel for not cheering who Vince wanted them to cheer for
Yeah, that happened. They tried to turn the crowd heel for not cheering who Vince wanted them to cheer for
HazySaiyan
Banned
"WWE don't even want you to cheer their top babyface, so shut up idiots!"
They just love singing "he's got the whole world in his hands" Maggle!
Ok, that's actually amazing.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
He is a babyface. He's also a heel to different demographics. Like literally every sports team.
It's hilarious you think these moves you described were all generated to make you in particular like Roman. Like the WWE thinks hardcore fans love what Michael Cole says and are happy to follow his lead.
SomewhatGroovy
Banned
Yeah yeah yeah... but did CM Punk or Daniel Bryan appeal to these folk?
I saw this last night and thought: "Man, someone in GAF has already GIF'd this".
Geez.
ftfy
Into the Light
Banned
They wont be married in 5 years.
Roman is the pre lij Naito but with half the talent.
Naito would be lucky to even be able to tie up Roman's left sneaker, mark.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
You will never cheer him, and they know that.
Do you guys think GAF represents the actual wrestling audience? Do you guys think you're not in a bubble here? Anyone here watch with kids? Did you think Total Divas was for us? Anyone ever read Twitter or Instagram comments? We're not all the same, and they know it.
avengers23
Banned
TarpitCarnivore
Member
Why are we wasting so many pages rehashing the same old shit about Reigns, Cena, Punk, McMahon's and bryan?
This thread can sometimes spend so much time on this stuff rather than discussing some of the other stuff going on in other feds or discussing some stuff in history.
This thread can sometimes spend so much time on this stuff rather than discussing some of the other stuff going on in other feds or discussing some stuff in history.
HashtagLapsed
Member
Vinces whole thing is "we make movies" not wrestling.
Look at NJPW. Some people go to cheer 'heels' like LIJ or Bullet Club, people bring Suzuki Gun banners etc. Some people go and support Okada and Chaos or Tanahashi or whoever. Sometimes who people are cheering changes because of the story being told in the ring too. To me this is more like sports rivalries and the things you say.
It isnt muting crowd microphones, editing fan reactions and all the other shit they carry on with.
And also some of this doesnt make sense. Your first point for example ignores history of the Rock, HBK etc being over as fuck.